At times like this...

[Kylie]

I wish evolution wasn't true, because then the COVID-19 virus would never have evolved.

If evolution wasn't true, then we wouldn't be here either.

 

[Jamdoc]

Then you need to find evidence for that. So far no one has found any. And it really is not random chance. Think of the lottery. The odds of you or I winning it is almost zero. The odds of someone winning it eventually is practically one. And the odds of "winning" genetic combinations are all but guaranteed when one is running hundreds of millions of genetic tests at the same time. Yes, some events, such as the fused chromosome are chance. But the odd of that happening eventually is not that bad. If you don't trust me look at some animals that are even more closely related than man and chimps. Takes horses and zebras as an example. They are still so closely related that they can interbreed. Just for fun Google search the number of chromosomes of each.

They have the same and that's part of my point. animals that are closely related enough to interbreed have the same number and pairs of chromosomes, that's like bare bones necessity FOR a hybrid. mismatched chromosomes and you have no hybrid, we're not that closely related to chimpanzees partially BECAUSE we don't share the same chromosome pairs.
Most of the time, having a different number of chromosomes is enough to consider an animal a different taxonomic family, but for humans they shoehorn us in with great apes despite that biological incompatibility in order to push a world view.
The problem with that world view, is that it's aligning thousands of SNP's by chance, combined with the chance of fitting into an ecological niche where those mutations aren't detrimental, in a population having those mutations large enough to be a viable breeding population. You're stacking infinitesimally low probability occurrences on top of each other which further reduces their probability to basically 0. it's like winning the lottery multiple times in a row.
I don't believe in luck that good.
But I do believe in God that doesn't need luck.

 

[Kylie]

They have the same and that's part of my point. animals that are closely related enough to interbreed have the same number and pairs of chromosomes, that's like bare bones necessity FOR a hybrid. mismatched chromosomes and you have no hybrid, we're not that closely related to chimpanzees partially BECAUSE we don't share the same chromosome pairs.
Most of the time, having a different number of chromosomes is enough to consider an animal a different taxonomic family, but for humans they shoehorn us in with great apes despite that biological incompatibility in order to push a world view.
The problem with that world view, is that it's aligning thousands of SNP's by chance, combined with the chance of fitting into an ecological niche where those mutations aren't detrimental, in a population having those mutations large enough to be a viable breeding population. You're stacking infinitesimally low probability occurrences on top of each other which further reduces their probability to basically 0. it's like winning the lottery multiple times in a row.
I don't believe in luck that good.
But I do believe in God that doesn't need luck.

Care to support your claim that the number of chromosomes is all that's required?

Chimps have 48 chromosomes, but so do potatoes. Do you think potatoes and chimps can interbreed? Do you think potatoes and chimps are in the same taxonomic family?

We Humans have 46 chromosomes, but so does the Sable Antelope. Are we in the same taxonomic group?

List of organisms by chromosome count - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

They have the same and that's part of my point. animals that are closely related enough to interbreed have the same number and pairs of chromosomes, that's like bare bones necessity FOR a hybrid. mismatched chromosomes and you have no hybrid, we're not that closely related to chimpanzees partially BECAUSE we don't share the same chromosome pairs.
Most of the time, having a different number of chromosomes is enough to consider an animal a different taxonomic family, but for humans they shoehorn us in with great apes despite that biological incompatibility in order to push a world view.
The problem with that world view, is that it's aligning thousands of SNP's by chance, combined with the chance of fitting into an ecological niche where those mutations aren't detrimental, in a population having those mutations large enough to be a viable breeding population. You're stacking infinitesimally low probability occurrences on top of each other which further reduces their probability to basically 0. it's like winning the lottery multiple times in a row.
I don't believe in luck that good.
But I do believe in God that doesn't need luck.

Oh so wrong. You really have no clue here. Why do you think the number of chromosomes is of any importance? Are you trying to say that a species with twenty-three pairs could not crossbreed with a member of a species with twenty-four pairs?

 

[bTbRo]

Oh so wrong. You really have no clue here. Why do you think the number of chromosomes is of any importance? Are you trying to say that a species with twenty-three pairs could not crossbreed with a member of a species with twenty-four pairs?

God created evolution.
What is the big deal?

 

[Subduction Zone]

God created evolution.
What is the big deal?

Any evidence for even that? But I do agree, if God exists evolution was his tool. Please note that does refute the Adam and Eve story, there never would have been only two people. And Noah's Ark would still have never happened either.

 

[bTbRo]

Any evidence for even that? But I do agree, if God exists evolution was his tool. Please note that does refute the Adam and Eve story, there never would have been only two people. And Noah's Ark would still have never happened either.

What would you consider as evidence that God does exist?
Give me an example?

 

[Jamdoc]

Oh so wrong. You really have no clue here. Why do you think the number of chromosomes is of any importance? Are you trying to say that a species with twenty-three pairs could not crossbreed with a member of a species with twenty-four pairs?

Yes, I am saying that. Not viably anyway. Mules are sterile because of the chromosome difference between their parent species.
Any hybrid offspring of a 24 pair species with a 23 pair species would be sterile like that too, so, wouldn't result in evolution as it's a dead end.
Ligers on the other hand... are not sterile, because Panthera species all have 38 chromosomes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What would you consider as evidence that God does exist?
Give me an example?

I am not sure. I am not the one claiming a God exists. I am not the one that has to provide the evidence. But I do understand the concept of evidence well enough to see that no one has provided any reliable evidence to date.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I am saying that. Not viably anyway. Mules are sterile because of the chromosome difference between their parent species.
Any hybrid offspring of a 24 pair species with a 23 pair species would be sterile like that too, so, wouldn't result in evolution as it's a dead end.
Ligers on the other hand... are not sterile, because Panthera species all have 38 chromosomes.

You would need some evidence to support that claim.

 

[bTbRo]

I am not sure. I am not the one claiming a God exists. I am not the one that has to provide the evidence. But I do understand the concept of evidence well enough to see that no one has provided any reliable evidence to date.

That is because you are an atheist. If you were not an atheist you would
accept the evidence at hand. But seeing that there is nothing that would be evident to you that God exist has entrapped you within your own mind.
You are a prisoner of your own mind set by the limitations
of your thoughts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is because you are an atheist. If you were not an atheist you would
accept the evidence at hand. But seeing that there is nothing that would be evident to you that God exist has entrapped you with your own mind.
You are a prisoner of your own self.

Wrong. It is the other way around. I became an atheist because I recognized the fact that there was no such evidence. Once again, I am not the one making the positive claim about God's existence. I am not the one that is trapped. Please don't make false accusations that you cannot support. You dodged a burden of proof and tried to place it on someone else. That is all but the same as admitting that one is wrong.

if you claim evidence exists then post it.

 

[bTbRo]

Wrong. It is the other way around. I became an atheist because I recognized the fact that there was no such evidence.

You became an atheist because you had no choice.

 

[bTbRo]

Wrong. It is the other way around. I became an atheist because I recognized the fact that there was no such evidence. Once again, I am not the one making the positive claim about God's existence. I am not the one that is trapped. Please don't make false accusations that you cannot support. You dodged a burden of proof and tried to place it on someone else. That is all but the same as admitting that one is wrong.

if you claim evidence exists then post it.

In fact if it were not for God you would not be an atheist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You became an atheist because you had no choice.

That is correct. For a person that can think rationally atheism is not a choice. Can you rationally believe that a rock will fall up?

Now you see that the burden of responsibility is upon the person claiming that God exists. It is also one's Christian duty, though I do not have the verse handy right now that supports that claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In fact if it were not for God you would not be an atheist.

Nope, that is incredibly irrational.

 

[bTbRo]

That is correct. For a person that can think rationally atheism is not a choice. Can you rationally believe that a rock will fall up?

Now you see that the burden of responsibility is upon the person claiming that God exists. It is also one's Christian duty, though I do not have the verse handy right now that supports that claim.

So you agree with me
that you had no choice but to believe there is no God?
You are not in control of what you believe.

 

[bTbRo]

Nope, that is incredibly irrational.

Prove it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you agree with me
that you had no choice but to believe there is no God?
You are not in control of what you believe.

No rational thinker is in charge of what he believes.

Can you force yourself to believe that rocks fall up? If not your thinking about gravity is not totally irrational.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Prove it.

That was an observation based upon a claim that you need to prove. Observations are just that. No "proof" necessary.

We do not know whether God exists or not. His existence is not what predicates my belief so your post was nonsense.