At times like this...

[bTbRo]

No rational thinker is in charge of what he believes.

Can you force yourself to believe that rocks fall up? If not your thinking about gravity is not totally irrational.

So not only do you think thoughts that you have no choice but you do things that you have no choice.

There is your proof there is a God.
He is in control of you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So not only do you think thoughts that you have no choice but you do things that you have no choice.

There is your proof there is a God.
He is in control of you.

Oh, so now you are claiming that your God is evil. Interesting.

Rational thought appears to have left you behind.

 

[bTbRo]

Oh, so now you are claiming that your God is evil. Interesting.

God created evil. So if that makes Him evil what is it to me?
God created good so if that makes Hm good what is that to me?

 

[Subduction Zone]

God created evil. So if that makes Him evil what is it to me?
God created good so if that makes Hm good what is that to me?

You jumped quite a few steps. The burden of proof is still upon you to prove that God exists. Then we can discuss what he does.

But creating good does not make him good.

 

[bTbRo]

You jumped quite a few steps. The burden of proof is still upon you to prove that God exists. Then we can discuss what he does.

But creating good does not make him good.

Here lets cut to the chase...

what burden of proof is upon you?

Anything at all or do you think
because you are a atheist you get a free ride?

Tell me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have noticed it is always you that determines if evidence is required.
And even when it isn't you still require it.

Why is that about you?

Are you scared to try to prove anything you believe?

Yes, because I understand the sort of statement that requires evidence. You have been dodging the burden of proof when making a claim that requires some sort of evidence.

A positive assertion such as "God exists" or "God does not exist" requires evidence. You have been claiming that God exists.

 

[bTbRo]

You jumped quite a few steps. The burden of proof is still upon you to prove that God exists. Then we can discuss what he does.

But creating good does not make him good.

There is no burden of proof upon me.
It is upon God to prove it to you.

If God does not choose to prove it to you like He did to me...
that has nothing to do with me.

 

[bTbRo]

Yes, because I understand the sort of statement that requires evidence. You have been dodging the burden of proof when making a claim that requires some sort of evidence.

A positive assertion such as "God exists" or "God does not exist" requires evidence. You have been claiming that God exists.

You are trapped within the mirage of your own thoughts.
I owe you nothing especially any proof of God's existence.

 

[Larniavc]

I wish evolution wasn't true, because then the COVID-19 virus would never have evolved.

Yep. Kind of odd that a loving god would create it in the first place.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here lets cut to the chase...

what burden of proof is upon you?

Anything at all or do you think
because you are a atheist you get a free ride?

Tell me.

Any time that I make a positive assertion. You could have asked for evidence that Noah's Flood never happened for example. But instead you pursued your earlier errors.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are trapped within the mirage of your own thoughts.
I owe you nothing especially any proof of God's existence.

That is a dodge and you place another burden of proof upon you with that statement.

It is almost as if you realize that I was right about there being no reliable evidence for God.

 

[bTbRo]

Any time that I make a positive assertion. You could have asked for evidence that Noah's Flood never happened for example. But instead you pursued your earlier errors.

You make nothing but unproven assertions...that is all you ever do.
And I might add you then claim them as your proof.

You claim your unproven opinions are your proof.

 

[Larniavc]

The problem with that is that any detailed explanation of evolution leads to more questions and more confusion.

For you perhaps. When I did my biology A level way back when, it seemed easy to understand.

What’s so complicated about change in allele frequency over time?

 

[tampasteve]

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[Strathos]

Yep. Kind of odd that a loving god would create it in the first place.

He created it via the process of evolution, but it was not His intention to kill people with it. That was our own fault for being careless. Much like how you can't blame God for creating a crocodile when you choose to put your head in its mouth and get bitten.

 

[Strathos]

If evolution wasn't true, then we wouldn't be here either.

Not if the alternative is special creation of each species like creationists propose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no burden of proof upon me.
It is upon God to prove it to you.

If God does not choose to prove it to you like He did to me...
that has nothing to do with me.

This is a false claim. If you claim that God exists the burden of proof lies upon you. It is that simple. Don't throw your God under the bus. You are blaming your God for the lack of belief of others. That is not a very nice thing to claim about your God.

You may believe that God revealed himself to you, but that could just as well be an emotional belief supported only by confirmation bias. There is nothing wrong with a personal belief in God. The error people make is when they say God exists and then cannot support that claim. When one makes a claim like that they assume a burden of proof.

I pointed out earlier that if I made the claim that he does not exist that the burden of proof would be upon me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not if the alternative is special creation of each species like creationists propose.

And if there was evidence for creation that could be a reasonable alternative. But as we know, none is to be found.

 

[Strathos]

And if there was evidence for creation that could be a reasonable alternative. But as we know, none is to be found.

I'm talking hypothetically.

 

[Jamdoc]

You would need some evidence to support that claim.

The evidence that mules are sterile? That's common knowledge. There's no breeding population of mules.
Ligers are not sterile. There's a hybrid called a Liliger which is a male lion x a female liger that have produced offspring.
You can look up how many chromosomes P.leo and P.tigris have yourself but it's 38.
vs E.africanus has 62 chromosomes, E.ferus has 64. mules and hinnies have 63 as a result and are all sterile.
Number of Chromosomes is important for hybridization.