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I'll rhrow in my own answers to these questions, as a fellow atheist.

Where do you plan to go when you die?
Or do you think you just cease to exist after death?

If by cease to exist you mean leaving a decaying human corpse that no longer has any function or personality, then yes. My plan is cremation, those ashes to be scattered in the pacific ocean.

What is your reason for being an athiest? What brought you to this belief?

An expansive question really, with many ways to answer.
Part of that is in no reason to be a theist. I find the default status of a human being from birth is that of atheism and that a person must be taught to be a theist. With nothing to support that there is any difference physically from religions now called mythology, and religions still called religions, I have no reason to adopt any theistic viewpoint.

Were you raised athiest?

Nope. My mother's decision on the matter was to let me decide for myself. I was exposed to a variety of religious beliefs, both through my own reading(my reading comprehension level was on a college level by the end of first grade), and through life experiences. Including living around a large asian population, I was exposed to catholicism, protestantism,shinto and buddhism directly. I also read about christianity, buddhism, shinto, daoism, various pagan religions, greek and roman mythology and other variety of mythology.

Have you ever read the Bible?

Yes, this is also partially why I actively rejected Christianity. Not in an adoptive meaning, but in a meaning of moral rejection of the religion and present organization as morally wrong. One of my first public acts as an atheist was quietly setting down a bible during a Sunday school like event and walking out of the class while the teacher asked me where I was going. I was nine at the time.

I have also read part of the Dhammapada and I would love to read the Rig Veda.

Why do so many atheists hate Christianity?

I don't hate it, but I cannot speak for others. I do find it morally repugnant and dangerous but hate would be a bit strong. Particularly since I believe that Christianity will eventually die out from society.

I never see atheists attacking any other faith but ours. In fact, I think if that happened (At least in the US), it may be labeled a hate crime. But for some reason, Christianity is an acceptable target. Why is this? Why do non-believers hate us so much?

Part of understanding this would be accomplished by understanding the nature and history of cultural satire in media and other areas of society. Often times we(society) poke fun at, or are very critical of what is commonplace and everpresent in our society. Not only is it something many people can relate to, but we have a large amount of information to look at.

In this regard, Christianity is criticized and disliked more often in American culture over other religions because most of the populace is % wise Christian. Other religions are less ever present and leads to less instances of aggravation. Also not all religions believe in spreading itself. Western monotheistic theology, from a historical standpoint is an exception, rather than the rule in what most of the theologies of the world have operated on.

Also, I think Christians bring it on themselves. Extremist individuals shame their entire religion by their actions. Indeed, I think of Christians learned to be more ashamed and self critical I think perhaps the religion wouldn't get as much flak as it does.

On the other hand, religions like Buddihsm and the like don't ruffle as many feathers. So you'll rarely hear about an atheist being acosted by a Buddhist or the like. Different religions and different philosophies react to people of differing beliefs in ways unlike traditional Christianity.
 
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On the other hand, religions like Buddihsm and the like don't ruffle as many feathers. So you'll rarely hear about an atheist being acosted by a Buddhist or the like. Different religions and different philosophies react to people of differing beliefs in ways unlike traditional Christianity.
Well, you might recall Tibet up until the middle of the last century. Not exactly what you may call a lovely theocracy. More like a theocrazy.
 
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Just a sidenote:
What is an evolutionist? If I accept gravity am I a gravitationist? It is not a political opinion. Evolution is a fact and the theory explains it elegantly. That's not my opinion or belief. That's just plain old science. It neither denies or supports a belief in a god.

I'm glad you accept it :)
Again, if someone has questions about evolution (creationist or not), don't hesitate to ask, via a private message.
Sorry, one who purports evolutionary theory as the way that diversity of life has arisen upon this planet.

Not ALL of evolution is fact, actually. Some of it remains very very theoretical and very very sketchy. I cite Professor Dawkins and "memes".

This is the way I perceive it: Whenever a Creationist says "God did it" as an answer, he or she is slapped down because that answer is perceived as unsatisfactory due to a lack of evidenciary support.

Believe me, I can understand. However, I find many scientists, or evolutionary biologists, professors and doctors guilty of double standards when I ask how evolution has moulded certain things, yet they look at me like I am insane and say "Evolution did it. That's all you need to know". No genes, no mutations, no pathway from that point, in conclusion, NO evidence.

(Note this only applies to certain things-I don't deny anything like fossils or hominidae's traces left behind etc etc but I am merely demonstrating a principle. The scientists state that they can do things better and explain things better evidencially. Then why don't they hardly ever show the evidence for it? My professors and teachers at University are great learned people, and I ma glad to learn under them, however, they show this unsettling predilection also.)

Thanks mate, you're a star! See. no matter what we believe, that's no reason not to get on.

Blessings and love.

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Sorry, one who purports evolutionary theory as the way that diversity of life has arisen upon this planet.

Not ALL of evolution is fact, actually. Some of it remains very very theoretical and very very sketchy. I cite Professor Dawkins and "memes".

This is the way I perceive it: Whenever a Creationist says "God did it" as an answer, he or she is slapped down because that answer is perceived as unsatisfactory due to a lack of evidenciary support.

Believe me, I can understand. However, I find many scientists, or evolutionary biologists, professors and doctors guilty of double standards when I ask how evolution has moulded certain things, yet they look at me like I am insane and say "Evolution did it. That's all you need to know". No genes, no mutations, no pathway from that point, in conclusion, NO evidence.

(Note this only applies to certain things-I don't deny anything like fossils or hominidae's traces left behind etc etc but I am merely demonstrating a principle. The scientists state that they can do things better and explain things better evidencially. Then why don't they hardly ever show the evidence for it? My professors and teachers at University are great learned people, and I ma glad to learn under them, however, they show this unsettling predilection also.)

Thanks mate, you're a star! See. no matter what we believe, that's no reason not to get on.

Blessings and love.

Omar
I did request that questions about evolution be asked via private messages, so this thread didn't turn into a debate about that, but okay.
If you mean to say that there are holes in evolutionary theory, then you're right. There are holes in all of science. Basically that's why scientists still do research. If your professor says "that's all you need to know", he or she is probably refering to your curriculum. If you go to the university library section you can find the journals of evidence stacked up for everyone to review. You can also do a search from the university library, where you can probably get access to the ISI database. There you can type down keywords such as for example 'evolution', and 'flagellum', and hey presto, you will probably find an article about it that's cost free to read. I'm at home now, so I can't access the place. Have to be from the university network. Here's the link, though:

http://x-port.uio.no/V/9AKFVGUYGLSQ...GKJH-09145?func=native-link&resource=UNI00947

Thanks for your kind words :)
 
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On one hand double standards are always something people dislike seeing in others. On the other hand, the thing about religion and its adherence, there is alot of disagreement as to what a "true believer" is. For example, christians (just as an example) refer to the Bible as their source of doctrines. The Bible is a long book and adherence to some of what's in there would be contradictory to stuff written elsewhere. So a christian professing the Bible as the basis for their faith, can have very different ideas of what is God's will compared to that of another christian. Complete adherence to the 10 commandments means one must stone people who work on Sunday. Yet if a christian says that one should never take a life, I can't necessarily say that this person has a double standard. Because I don't know if he or she adheres completely to the 10 commandments. There would have to be a clear idea of what the person (atheist, christian, buddhist, etc) holds as true/believes, and THEN one could determine if the person in question has double standards.


Because of the contradictory belief that is common in Christianity, as you have said, does this sway your decision or a reason for atheism?

Isn't the root of that though really people's own opinions that get in the way of what as a believer one should consider truth, the Word of God?

If a believer is to believe the Word of God is truth at any level, then all opinions based on own emotion, own will, own thoughts should be discredited, which supports the whole self-denial and walking by the Spirit concept that many believers do not adhere to... in favor of their own selfish desires, will and emotions... therefore living a contradictory life-style when claiming to be a 'Christian' and following the Word of God...

So based on the above examples, that a true believer should follow the Word of God and all that is in it (which would also include getting rid of Sunday church, cause the true Sabbath is the 7th day not the 1st) regardless of their own opinions and own feelings...

So with that said... back to another question... If I told you that mainstream Christianity (and most of the Western Church) is Scripturally off the mark, for many reasons, one of which I've described above, does that affect your decision of atheism? Seeing people who claim to believe the Word of God but do not follow it.... ironically mostly because of own personal opinion and emotion.

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Because of the contradictory belief that is common in Christianity, as you have said, does this sway your decision or a reason for atheism?

Isn't the root of that though really people's own opinions that get in the way of what as a believer one should consider truth, the Word of God?

If a believer is to believe the Word of God is truth at any level, then all opinions based on own emotion, own will, own thoughts should be discredited, which supports the whole self-denial and walking by the Spirit concept that many believers do not adhere to... in favor of their own selfish desires, will and emotions... therefore living a contradictory life-style when claiming to be a 'Christian' and following the Word of God...
My reasons for being non christian comes from not believing what's in the Bible. My reasons for not being a theist at all is because I'm not convinced by theistic rationalizations about the universe and the potential gods. It's not other people's fault that I'm an atheist :)

Well, what is the true Word of God, is my question then. What parts of the bible should one adhere to and what parts should one not? Which translation of the Bible and how literally? In other words: what is a "true" christian? Sorry for responding with questions, but those are the questions I have asked and not gotten any good answer to.

So based on the above examples, that a true believer should follow the Word of God and all that is in it (which would also include getting rid of Sunday church, cause the true Sabbath is the 7th day not the 1st) regardless of their own opinions and own feelings...

So with that said... back to another question... If I told you that mainstream Christianity (and most of the Western Church) is Scripturally off the mark, for many reasons, one of which I've described above, does that affect your decision of atheism? Seeing people who claim to believe the Word of God but do not follow it.... ironically mostly because of own personal opinion and emotion.

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fritz
Actually, I'm very glad that most christians don't completely adhere to scripture (read Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy for some scary commandments). The more personal a belief is formed, the less likely that hostile dogmatic zealots will grow up.
 
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Well Messianic Judaism reflects most of my beliefs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

In my opinion a true believer is one who follows the Torah of God and accepts the truth of Yeshua the Messiah, and walks all His days uncompromising in that Spirit and the Truth.. holding to the commandments and to the testimony... who will follow the Lamb wherever He goes.

In most cases the following are often traits of those who I do not consider to be true believers, mostly according to the Word of God and not necessarily my own personal opinion or belief..:
  • Goes to church on Sunday while ignoring Shabbat, probably one of the Holiest commandments.
  • Those who sin, yet asks forgiveness and doesn't change or turn away from sin...
  • Those who think they are saved and can sin and do whatever they want.
  • Those who reject the importance of the Torah due to holding on to traditions of men... and traditions of men say it's abolished, when the Bible doesn't anywhere.
  • Who will not accept the fact that mainstream Christianity is rooted from Catholicism, therefore contains tons of paganism and has strayed so far from the truth which is in fact closer to Judaism than anything else..
  • Who won't accept the truth that Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with our God. That Jesus was NOT born on Dec 25th, which is actually the date most false 'sun Gods' were 'born' on... just an example of the kind of paganism we have brought over from Catholicism into Christianity... the cross even doesn't even have anything to do with Yeshua, rather it's a symbol for Tammuz and many other sun gods...
  • Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear yet cannot read the above and acknowledge them as truth..
The above does not apply to those who have their hearts in a good place with the Lord... those who do commune with Him, are in intimate relationship with Him are in my opinion true believers also... but when the time comes around and they have eyes to see and ears to hear the TRUTH of how far away we've strayed away in the past 2000 years due to our exile and then they do not receive it... then I believe that's dangerous.

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Okay, fritz, that's fair enough. That means you follow the 613 commandments of God? To the point where you stone those that God demands you stone?
(It's a rhetorical question, but I'm going somewhere with this, so bare with me)

Of course not, Messiah's death on the tree nullified the curse of the Law.

The curse of the Law was death, therefore all who could not follow the Law would be stoned on the account of two or more witnesses... and the curse was also that NO man could keep it...

Since we are set free from the curse of the Law, we do not suffer death when we sin if we have repent hearts and turn away from sin..

At the most basic level, we are to observe the beauty of the commandments and at least recognize their importance in reference to loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. :clap:

It's such a simple concept, yet so much of mainstream Christianity just can't grasp it.. too many believe that just because some man came and died that everything is supposed to change, when in reality nothing really changed besides the New Covenant and being set free from the curse... Messianic Judaism in itself is actually the closest and most accurate life-style that reflects the early Christian's (or Messianic's), and def not the one that came from Catholicism or any after the council of Nicene 325 for that matter..

Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
Mat 22:37 Yeshua said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Regards,
fritz
 
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How does it make you feel to see professing Christians profess their faith, but in reality live a double-minded life style?

By this I mean, willingly continue in sin because of their own desires, judging people, being self-righteous, living a life completely opposite that of Messiah Yeshua... not offering to help the poor, not even sharing their faith with non-believers and etc?

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fritz
there are three types of Christians in my opinion.

1. Those who are Christian by name - Most Americans. They generally believe in god, but they do not follow the Bible, and they follow their won ways.

2. Double standard Christians - Those who preach constantly against homosexuality, or some other issue, but totally ignore other essential aspects of their religion (fasting, giving to the poor, loving everyone, etc.)

3. True Christians - Those who use the best of their ability to follow the Bible in its whole. Usually very nice people, very trusting people, and people who do not judge.


Religion is not always a way of life for people. So I of course do not think there is a problem with individuality, but I can not stand it when someone is constantly saying how awesome Christianity is, and how much they love Jesus, and then the next day are out judging people and speaking gossip. Now that upsets me.

Usually 1 does not care. So they are not too much of a problem, since most of them honestly do not seem to really believe in God.

2 is a big problem, because they are the ones who are constantly preaching and such, yet they ignore half the Bible. These are usually the ones who are praising Jesus on sunday, but then on monday are the first to judge, and harass people.

I like that group 3 is usually less judgmental, and more loving. But I do not like the homophobia that some of these people have.

So yeah, there is my view on such!
 
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I don't see where it specifically says one is not to stone anyone for breaking the commandments, though.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT CONTINUE IN ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM."
Gal 3:11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Gal 3:12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "THE MAN WHO DOES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"),

Unfortunately this verse is misinterrupted so much, people claiming that it is calling the Law a curse... clearly it is talking about that Yeshua has set us free from the curse of the law...

What is the curse of the law?
Death for sin! And sin is lawlessness, or a violation of the law (1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.).

This is what Yeshua set us free from, not set us free from following that which is holy!

Deu 21:22"If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree"

Yeshua took this death for us, and because He was without sin and of the lineage of Adam he set us free from the curse of the law, which is death for sin...

If you can grasp that, then awesome, because it's something that most Christian's can't grasp... there is such a wave of delusion in mainstream Christianity.

1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

What it comes down from, is God's love is truly manifest because He died to set us free from the death of sin... this is something most Christian's know, unfortunately they can't understand nor incorporate that with the Law properly, which in summary is a way of living Holy to love God and your neighbor as yourself... Spirit and Truth...

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fritz
 
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I know of two instances. 1) My cousin, in Texas of all states, folded his hands to do a short prayer over his lunch at school. He didn't force it on anyone, but a teacher saw him and he was suspended for a few days.
Ah, Texas is not nearly as conservative as people make it out to be. In fact, we are only 6 seats away from being majority Democrat in state government!!!

anyways, I am sorry this happened. But obviously, an atheist should not be blamed for such, that a school decided on.

Also, remember that we atheists are treated just as bad, if not worse. How do you think it feels when a Christian goes up to a homosexual, and says that he hopes he burns in hell forever, and calls him a filth? I know a really religious Catholic guy who literally pushed a homosexual from taking communion, when this gay person was celibate, and was actually trying to get very religious.
So think about how it would feel if someone was pushing you out of Church because you were gay. Or because you were atheist.

I know a friend that had a shirt that said "ban religion from school" in high school, and he was also suspended for such. Yet I also had a friend who had a shirt that had a letter to god, saying that she wished god was back in schools. She wore that shirt for two years, and never got in trouble.

Point being, it goes both ways.

2) my friend wore to school a shirt with three nails on it that said, "FORGIVEN" and the teacher was offended with the shirt and sent him to the principal. He wouldn't turn it inside out. He gets suspended. His mom goes to the school to fight it, but sees a boy with a Marilyn Mason shirt with blood and gore and his breast on there. Another kid wearing a shirt with Ozzy biting the head off a bat. But they don't get in trouble. There are kids all over the U.S. who get in trouble for praying, bring and reading their bibles and stuff like that. They weren't forcing it on anyone. I remember in my high school, the same one where my friend got in trouble at, they had gay clubs and muslim girls would walk around in their head garb (even though that was against school rules. We couldn't wear hats in school). All those things and beliefs are okay, but not showing that you're a Christian. The ACLU in America fights for the rights of every black, muslim oppressed individual, but hates the Christians. They don't fight for our rights. In fact, they fight to outlaw Christianity. Even though our country was founded on Christianity and our laws based upon the 10 commandments, they're fighting to have them sanded off memorials and government buildings.
First off, our country was not founded on Christian values by any means. In fact, people moved to America at first for freedom of religion. They were tired of living in a religious theocracy. At a time, America was the most secular country in the world.

Also, many of our founding fathers were not Christian.. People even speculate that George Washington was a Universalist!

Secondly, there was a christian atheletes club at my school. And thridly, for years, homosexuals were not able to have gay rights clubs.. Why? Because the Christian right were too bigotted to allow it.

Even until July, on this forum a homosexual could not apply to be a moderator, nor could an atheist.

It works both ways dude. Christians are just as hateful as some atheists are.
 
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français;40108635 said:
First off, our country was not founded on Christian values by any means. In fact, people moved to America at first for freedom of religion. They were tired of living in a religious theocracy. At a time, America was the most secular country in the world.
Cripes, I missed what was said there! Good thing you caught it. America is indeed not a christian nation, nor its laws based on the 10 commandments.
 
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Do you ever find it depressing?
Do I find atheism depressing? Well, no. The lack of a belief in the gods isn't depressing to me in and of itself. The implications to certain atheists who don't believe in some form of afterlife can sometimes be scary, though. Buddhists are atheists, and they believe in reincarnation, for example. I assume that's what you mean: the question about an afterlife. I personally don't believe in reincarnation, so every once in a while, I'll be a bit worried (not depressed) about dying. I comfort myself with the fact that everyone has to die some time. I want to have children too, so that I leave a part of me behind, and that honestly does comfort me alot. Apart from that, I have no feelings of guilt for enjoying myself or my body, which many religious people have. Mind you, I'm not an atheist BECAUSE I want to enjoy myself. But my lack of belief in the dogmas of religion lets me to do so without guilt. It's a cart-and-horse thing. Important to place them in the right order. Neither am I burdened by the belief that those of my friends who don't believe what I do will end up in places that no one deserves to be. Those are two examples of why my viewpoint "makes up" for not having an afterlife.
I can get depressed sometimes, like everyone else, but not because of my atheism.
 
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I did request that questions about evolution be asked via private messages, so this thread didn't turn into a debate about that, but okay.
If you mean to say that there are holes in evolutionary theory, then you're right. There are holes in all of science. Basically that's why scientists still do research. If your professor says "that's all you need to know", he or she is probably refering to your curriculum. If you go to the university library section you can find the journals of evidence stacked up for everyone to review. You can also do a search from the university library, where you can probably get access to the ISI database. There you can type down keywords such as for example 'evolution', and 'flagellum', and hey presto, you will probably find an article about it that's cost free to read. I'm at home now, so I can't access the place. Have to be from the university network. Here's the link, though:

http://x-port.uio.no/V/9AKFVGUYGLSQ...GKJH-09145?func=native-link&resource=UNI00947

Thanks for your kind words :)
I have looked through a lot of material, and a lot of it does make sense. I have Scopus at my University, ehich allows access to a lot of papers, plus, I have a large library to go through yum yum lol.

My professors did mean that-I asked a professor about the evolution of glycolysis and he eventually told me to go and ask a theologian which was quite amusing.

But, yes, this is not the time nor the place for and evolution debate.

Bless you bro.

Omar ^_-
 
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My professors did mean that-I asked a professor about the evolution of glycolysis and he eventually told me to go and ask a theologian which was quite amusing.
What a strange thing to say. I doubt that the theologian can provide a better answer. I can look into it, if you want. There are papers on the evolution of glycolysis. The difficult thing is aquiring them for free.
 
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