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With modern science, we could one day bring people back to life with cloning..
LOL. No. Or, your idea of personal identity is drastically different from mine.

The clones are just copies of the dead person, but not the dead person. The dead person could not have the experiences of his clone(s) could he?

And unless you bring in memory et al implants, a clone is just identical DNA. Are identical twins the same person?
 
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français;40021952 said:
Here are my answers to the following questions, as I am an atheist!


I think we just cease to exist. I think it is just like all mechanical devises, animals, and plants.. We all eventually die out, and cease to exist.

With modern science, we could one day bring people back to life with cloning.. But I think all, including atheists can agree that cloning is a pretty crazy thing, and no one really wants to see people get cloned!


I was raised in a devout Christian household. My grandpa was a pastor, which brought major influence on me.

Yes, I have read the Bible... I would say the entire thing 8 or 9 times, the Gospels 15 or 16, and the Torah 20+.

I still read the Bible.. It is an interesting book!!

Many, many different reasons. The reasons are endless!

But to sum it up, I think really and truly there is just 1. no proof, and religion is nothing that a human could not create. Evolution, homosexuality, eternal hell, character of Jesus, etc were also reasons. I have a blog entry with more info, if you wish to check my blog! :)
Interesting friend!

Existence, whatever way you look at it, is much more than a physicality. Even if you do not believe in the supernatural, one still exists after the physical body is dead and gone-in the memories of those who were close to you, who loved you, who were involved in your life. In that sense, you still exist. I believe of course in ensoulment, so I believe it's impossible to "not exist" (Deexist ^_-?)

I am a biochemist undergraduate, third year. Any human cloning would not be allowed to proceed under FDA rulings anyway, and it would be condemned under the Declaration of Human Rights, but let's say it eventually was allowed (scientific barriers nonwithstanding of course). It would not be the same life. It may be "life" in the physical sense but that person is not the same person, and thus, each person has a separate life. Cloning is not enough to replicate a person's life.

That's amazing. You've read the Bible more than me then. However, in Christianity, it's not what you know, it's WHO you know. A relationship with Jesus Christ. Since you know your Bible well, you'll know that in 1 Corinthians 13:2:

"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

[Emphases are my own].

I don't perceive the reasons to be endless, or far more people would have rejected theism as a belief. There are reasons, and as a scientist, I have heard a massive amount of them. Every time, I have managed an answer (well, almost always, there are a few toughies I cannot answer, as I don't know everything).

Evolution does not negate theism. In fact, it adds to the majesty and glory of God that He could have done it in 6 days (which I personally don't believe-it's rubbish) ut chose to do it in that way, always in control, guiding, honing perfecting.

Indeed, humans create religions all the time. But look at the reasoning behind each religion and then look at the premise of Christianity and see how it differs...^_-

Homosexuality? Another dud with me friend. I'm gay, and it doesn't stop me believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died for me and took away my sin at the Cross, that He rose again. It certainly hasn't stopped me living for God. It does have implications for my homosexuality though, I'll concede that...

Eternal hell? At some point, something has to be eternal. Either God is eternal or there is some physical and material entity that is eternal. I choose it to be God. Eternal hell puts a lot of people of, but rather controversially I state that causality and effect and a person's own choice gets them there.

The character of Jesus was one of the things that drew people in then, and it still does today. In what sense do you mean this? Look at CS Lewis's brilliant and logical argument, "Mad Bad or God". This alone says a lot about the character of Jesus Christ, as do His words and actions as recorded by the Bible and secular historians and scholars alike. Josephus is one such example, Tacitus another.

Blessings and love mate, and good post, even if I do not agree with the most basal premises of it.

Omar
 
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The lack of evidence in support of the gods. That's basically why I don't believe.
The lack of empirical evidence. Yet, that is not the only kind of evidence that exists.

You can't empirically measure wind, yet you know it exists.

Blessings and love.

Omar
 
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I have one one that's been eating at me for some weeks now. And, it isn't really aimed at the two non-believers who have posted, as they seem to be rational, decent people. My question is: Why do so many atheists hate Christianity? I never see atheists attacking any other faith but ours. In fact, I think if that happened (At least in the US), it may be labeled a hate crime. But for some reason, Christianity is an acceptable target. Why is this? Why do non-believers hate us so much?

God bless
I think it's the controversy surrounding Creation-Evolution. And to be quite fair, a lot of atheists simply act defensively as Christians first attack them.

But your point is noted. I cite Professor Dawkins as an example. I saw him on TV the day before yesterday, where he stated:" The vast majority of religious people are uneducated", amidst laughter from the crowd. Who do they think they are? I'm a third year biochemist who will probably do a PhD at some point. In our church we have two doctors, accountants, countless teachers. It is incendiary statements like this that only serve to fuel the fire and the kind that you refer to.

Blessings and love.

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I'm not sure I agree with you that many atheists know very little about christianity. If by that you mean they haven't completed the bible, the same applies to many christians.
Christianity was never meant to be just about "completing the Bible". It is something deeper, a relationship with Jesus Christ, something that is neither empirically measured nor a task you can fulfill and that means you know everything about Christianity.

Blessings and love.

Omar
 
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Christianity was never meant to be just about "completing the Bible". It is something deeper, a relationship with Jesus Christ, something that is neither empirically measured nor a task you can fulfill and that means you know everything about Christianity.

Blessings and love.

Omar
Brother I ask you to settle down. They came here open enough to answer people's genuine questions not to get into a debate about religion. Personally I feel that we the church have failed as well I guess you could say I have been having a hard time with fundamentalism myself. It seems like my mind is far more open than my families. That doesn't make me any less of a Christian it just means that I accept more than condem. I mean yes it bothers me when I know people sin. I despise sin but that doesn't mean I turn on someone just because they are in that state. I am to Love them.

I think that both of these young men have been hurt by the church in some way. If I have offeneded you I apologize. I am not trying to bring you back into the fold I am just saying what I see when I read your posts. I think thats the reason why a lot of people turn to athiesim is because the church hurts others. I have seen a lot of good people who aren't as strong in their faith as I am get pretty hurt by what others do in church. Plus half of the people I see in church go out and live like everyone else anyway. So I see it as our fault by NOT living as Christ did.

Now I have a question. Do all athiests believe in evolution or is it those extremists?
 
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The lack of empirical evidence. Yet, that is not the only kind of evidence that exists.

You can't empirically measure wind, yet you know it exists.

Blessings and love.

Omar
Empirical evidence is the best we have to go by, though.
And yes, wind is very measurable by empirical means. One can measure speed, temperature, direction and quantity of air being moved. All you need is a wind tunnel, if you want to make a quantitative experiment.
 
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Christianity was never meant to be just about "completing the Bible". It is something deeper, a relationship with Jesus Christ, something that is neither empirically measured nor a task you can fulfill and that means you know everything about Christianity.

Blessings and love.

Omar
My point was simply that atheists don't necessarily know less about christianity than christians, as someone said earlier.
 
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I think that both of these young men have been hurt by the church in some way. If I have offeneded you I apologize. I am not trying to bring you back into the fold I am just saying what I see when I read your posts. I think thats the reason why a lot of people turn to athiesim is because the church hurts others. I have seen a lot of good people who aren't as strong in their faith as I am get pretty hurt by what others do in church. Plus half of the people I see in church go out and live like everyone else anyway. So I see it as our fault by NOT living as Christ did.

Now I have a question. Do all athiests believe in evolution or is it those extremists?
Well, I for one have never been hurt by anything religious. I just simply lack a belief in the gods. That's all there is to it.

As to your question about evolution, no it's not a requisite of atheism to accept that evolution happens. Atheism is just the answer to the question: "do you believe in a god?"
However, the theory of evolution is extremely well founded by scientific evidence. There is no reason for an atheist to doubt science with regards to evolution anymore than the theory of gravity. For the record I'm an undergraduate in biology. Evolution is as much an observed fact (that the theory explains), as rain. I don't want to get into a creationism debate in here, so if you have comments or questions about that, please write me a PM instead :)
No doubt, there are many gross misunderstandings about that as well.
 
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Oh no I wasn't wanting to get into a debate just an understanding. Thank you for elaborating for me.
My pleasure.

I came up with a pretty good quistion when I was laying in bed last night.

What do you think when Christains say that we gotta trust what we don't see? What are your thoughts on the claim that God's mind surpasses our own?
Awesome, I'm glad I inspire question.
So first question, gotta trust what we don't see:
Hm, I'm not sure why you HAVE to trust what you don't see. I assume by what you can't see, you mean what one can't know is there. I'm still not sure I understand the statement, so I'm careful to answer incase I misunderstand you. "HAVE to trust"?
Second question, God's mind is greater than our own:
Well it all depends on what you mean by God. Pantheists for example believe that the universe is god and that it's not a governing personal deity. If you mean the christian God, who created everything, I would say that provided he did exist (important premise), his mind would be greater than ours. Omniscience demands infinite mindpower.
 
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Awesome, I'm glad I inspire question.
So first question, gotta trust what we don't see:
Hm, I'm not sure why you HAVE to trust what you don't see. I assume by what you can't see, you mean what one can't know is there. I'm still not sure I understand the statement, so I'm careful to answer incase I misunderstand you. "HAVE to trust"?

sorry for the misunderstanding :) I meant more in the sense of wisdom. Is it wise to trust what you don't see? See Paul makes this claim in his Epistles [somewhere] that we "put our faith not on what is seen but on what is unseen, for what is seen in temporary, but what is unseen is eternal". Of course what Paul means by "seen" and "unseen" is debatable. i personally think when Pauls says "unseen" he's talking about things like love and joy and life [AKA: things that can't be bought]. But this isn't the place for a debate :)
 
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sorry for the misunderstanding :) I meant more in the sense of wisdom. Is it wise to trust what you don't see? See Paul makes this claim in his Epistles [somewhere] that we "put our faith not on what is seen but on what is unseen, for what is seen in temporary, but what is unseen is eternal". Of course what Paul means by "seen" and "unseen" is debatable. i personally think when Pauls says "unseen" he's talking about things like love and joy and life [AKA: things that can't be bought]. But this isn't the place for a debate :)
Okay, if you mean that we should believe in things that can't be bought, I agree. Believe is also an ambiguous term, mind you. For example I believe that if I trip, I will fall. I believe in love. I believe flossing is a good idea. None of these mean the same as having faith in something without evidence. But yes, I believe that love and joy and pleasure are important to living a good life. I think most atheists would agree with me on that :)
 
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Okay, if you mean that we should believe in things that can't be bought, I agree. Believe is also an ambiguous term, mind you. For example I believe that if I trip, I will fall. I believe in love. I believe flossing is a good idea. None of these mean the same as having faith in something without evidence. But yes, I believe that love and joy and pleasure are important to living a good life. I think most atheists would agree with me on that

I agree with that :) though thats not really what I meant either :p but thats ok :) you answered the quistion in this post anyways. See? most atheists beleive that in order for something to be true it must be supported by many convincing reasons to beleive [aka proofs]. Though i kind of disagree with this because it's possable that the human mind might not be the supreme mind... so what is proof to us might not be proof to someone who thinks higher than us. I say this because proof is limited to the box of our brains. this is not to say that we beleive anything blindly.... it simply means that it's possable to beleive something thats illogical

I hope your not upset [cause i'm sure you've heard this answer countless times:p]. i'm just trying to give ya a better understanding of what Christains mean by "faith":)
 
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I agree with that :) though thats not really what I meant either :p but thats ok :) you answered the quistion in this post anyways. See? most atheists beleive that in order for something to be true it must be supported by many convincing reasons to beleive [aka proofs]. Though i kind of disagree with this because it's possable that the human mind might not be the supreme mind... so what is proof to us might not be proof to someone who thinks higher than us. I say this because proof is limited to the box of our brains. this is not to say that we beleive anything blindly.... it simply means that it's possable to beleive something thats illogical
Something that is true is not required to have justifications in the absolute sense, no. Something, in theory, could be true without there being evidence to support it. And our logic can be wrong. However, it's all we have in practical terms. We have only our own logic to go by and base our idea of reality on. It seems to work to our advantage as well, since we have invented things that could only work if we got things right about how reality works. If circuit theory were wrong, for example, we probably wouldn't have electric equipment at all. The fact that we do have electricity working for us, indicates that we're on to something. Circuit theory hasn't been proven absolutely true. Nothing can be. However, it's a pretty safe bet, and in this universe, that's the best we can hope for: a safe, educated bet.
 
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I hope your not upset [cause i'm sure you've heard this answer countless times:p]. i'm just trying to give ya a better understanding of what Christains mean by "faith":)
No, I'm not at all upset.
Christians pretty much all have their own take on their religion (just like everyone else in all other denominations). But I get a better understanding of your personal meaning of faith.
 
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How does it make you feel to see professing Christians profess their faith, but in reality live a double-minded life style?

By this I mean, willingly continue in sin because of their own desires, judging people, being self-righteous, living a life completely opposite that of Messiah Yeshua... not offering to help the poor, not even sharing their faith with non-believers and etc?

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How does it make you feel to see professing Christians profess their faith, but in reality live a double-minded life style?

By this I mean, willingly continue in sin because of their own desires, judging people, being self-righteous, living a life completely opposite that of Messiah Yeshua... not offering to help the poor, not even sharing their faith with non-believers and etc?

Regards,
fritz
On one hand double standards are always something people dislike seeing in others. On the other hand, the thing about religion and its adherence, there is alot of disagreement as to what a "true believer" is. For example, christians (just as an example) refer to the Bible as their source of doctrines. The Bible is a long book and adherence to some of what's in there would be contradictory to stuff written elsewhere. So a christian professing the Bible as the basis for their faith, can have very different ideas of what is God's will compared to that of another christian. Complete adherence to the 10 commandments means one must stone people who work on Sunday. Yet if a christian says that one should never take a life, I can't necessarily say that this person has a double standard. Because I don't know if he or she adheres completely to the 10 commandments. There would have to be a clear idea of what the person (atheist, christian, buddhist, etc) holds as true/believes, and THEN one could determine if the person in question has double standards.
 
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I'm going to expand on a question asked earlier. No offense, but I wasn't fully convinced with the answer. But why does it always seem like athiests have it out for Christians and Christianity, especially in America? I'm not saying ALL athiests or you are this way. But there aren't any TV programs that declare the Muslim religion false or movies made to say Mohammad wasn't who he said he was. Nobody tries to prove that Buddha never lived. In fact there's more written evidence that Jesus lived than there is for Alexander the Great but there is a constant debunking going on against Christianity as if it's more important to prove us wrong than anyone else. Do you belong to any muslim or buddhist forums? Why can someone make a crack about the bible and that's fine, but if you say something against the Koran...well that's just politically incorrect and considered a hate crime! What is your take on this? You may not agree that it's happening from your point of view, but from ours it is.

There is a major war going on in America to try and keep Christianity out of the country. Separation of church and state people shout. But yet a muslim girl can wear a head covering to school, but a Christian boy can't wear a shirt with his Lord on it. This has happened in real life, to my friend. Sorry to go on and on about this, but I'm just giving more examples. I just don't see athiests attacking other religions.
 
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