Army Tries to Bring Back Soldiers Booted for Refusing the COVID Vaccine

[Tuur]

I am staunchly anti-vax and will never allow one to be injected in me nor my children. My kids have NEVER needed a doctor at 15 and 11. How many vaxxers do you know whose kids never needed a doctor?

About thirty years ago, I learned of an old undertaker who said that the biggest change he had seen was he didn't sell as many small caskets. Anyone can simply note the age of death on the stones in an old cemetery and see the change that old undertaker observed. In one cemetery where I grew up were the graves of an entire family claimed by an illness. So many little graves.

It is indeed a blessing yours never needed a doctor. So many have not been so blessed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I know you didn't understand one word of my comment and I knew you wouldn't. Those blinded cannot see. "ears to hear and eyes to see" you don't have that, so I'm talking past you. But I am planting seeds. That's all that matters. Giving up control means surrendering to the God who IS in control. He takes care of us when you surrender. He is a good good Father.

I already have a father, I don't need a spare and your seeds will fall on rocky ground. Don't bother. (And "surrender to god" never made any bit of sense to me even back when.)

I am not surprised by how many atheists are on Christian forums and Christian youtube channels, you are seeking if you are here.

No. Really, no. I came to talk about pseudoscience (and you've referenced some) and did venture into politics, but I have no interest in Jesus or Christianity. Jesus is dead and I see nothing of value in Christianity. Been there, done that, not going back.

Seek and you will find. He will not turn you away. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean He doesn't exist. He is still there drawing you in.

Your preaching wont work on me and is completely off topic for this thread and sub-forum.

No, the tree didn't teach them right from wrong, it was KNOWING evil, they knew their own sin and they were ashamed for the first time. Before this they were perfect in God's image but having free will they chose to become like a god knowing what he knows. That's all it means, it means YOU want control over your life, not that you want to be up in the sky somewhere pulling the strings, that not who God is anyway. He is the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end and he is the embodiment of love so even you who doesn't acknowledge him have his attributes.

Are you expecting me to cross myself now?

 

[Tuur]

It's useful for people terrorized by viruses.

What, then, do you attribute the drop in mortality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in my demographic?

 

[Tuur]

I have no interest in being a god. How boring would that get.

I'm not quite sure how this discussion drifted into one about atheism, but will point out that the desire to be a god is more prevalent than we might realize. All it takes is the desire of "My will be done." No one is immune, not a preacher in a pulpit nor a parishioner in the pew or an agnostic or an atheist. Doesn't matter. It's a subtle, insidious, thing, whether one believes in God or not.

 

[DaisyDay]

HAHAHA. Nope, never followed Q or Alex Jones or Trump in my quest for truth.

You found the rabbit hole independently, then?

I am staunchly anti-vax and will never allow one to be injected in me nor my children. My kids have NEVER needed a doctor at 15 and 11. How many vaxxers do you know whose kids never needed a doctor? My 11 yr old is pretty clumsy too, he gets many cuts and bruises and we allow him to run around the neighborhood and play up in trees. Never broke a bone or needed a doctor. Worst thing they ever had was a fever, and hey the body knows what it's doing! They get better within a day or two. We work with the body not against it. Biotech is just a money making machine. After modern plumbing and sewers, clean drinking water and personal hygiene rates of disease PLUMMETED. Measles was a childhood rite of passage and 99% of people recovered fine. Even polio 98% of people recovered fine. I had chicken pox as a child I can't believe kids now are vaccinated for it.

Shingles. You might want to get vaccinated for that if you had chicken pox ever.

Tetanus is easily avoided by knowing that you stepped on something that punctured deep in your body and you CLEAN it out. Tetanus can't form with oxygen. The others are not even a risk to Americans. Flu and cold viruses are the body's way of cleaning out. If you are a toxic person that is petrified of viruses you are going to have a rough go of it.

That is not a very sure way to prevent tetanus if the puncture was at all deep.

 

[Tuur]

The problem with most studies on myocarditis from infection vs. from vaccination is that they often fail to stratify the results by age. They conflate people at lower risk from vaccine-induced myocarditis with people at a much higher risk thereby diluting the actual risk for the group at highest risk.

That's true, but misses the big question: If it's caused by an immune response to the spike protein, then it should also be seen at the same rate in the unvaccinated who contracted COVID-19. That's my suspicion because both the mRNA vaccine and the actual strain of the virus had the same spike protein, and the incidents of myocarditis seem to happen at a higher rate in those with more active immune systems. If there's no difference between the unvaccinated who caught COVID-19 and the vaccinated, then being unvaccinated didn't offer protection from myocarditis.

 

[keith99]

About thirty years ago, I learned of an old undertaker who said that the biggest change he had seen was he didn't sell as many small caskets. Anyone can simply note the age of death on the stones in an old cemetery and see the change that old undertaker observed. In one cemetery where I grew up were the graves of an entire family claimed by an illness. So many little graves.

It is indeed a blessing yours never needed a doctor. So many have not been so blessed.

Have you heard of Bodie, CA? It is a ghost town. There is a lot of interesting history, but there is one thing I saw with my own 2 eyes. One year there was an influenza epidemic. The result was that there are scores of tombstones with a lamb on top. Each is the grave of a child.

Side note. I also saw the boot hill. It was not far away from the cemetery, it was barely outside the fence that marked the boundary.

 

[Tuur]

That is not a very sure way to prevent tetanus if the puncture was at all deep.

The problem with cleaning a puncture wound is that the things close up. Ask me how I know. Even then, they don't get much exposure to oxygen.

 

[InChristAlone525]

You cannot compare now to a hundred years ago. Great fear tactic though. I don't live my life based on fear.

But thanks for your intense hatred of people who don't believe like you, this forum is one of the most toxic places I've ever been to. Yes there are many Moms like me out there who raised their kids not believing in the fear tactics used by the media. Sicknesses were rampant when there was no modern plumbing and access to clean water and healthy food. But please continue to live your life as if you are back in the stone ages. Ya'll look like the zombie apocolyse, the people I hang around are healthy and strong and don't need toxic fear mongering and hate filled people around us. Praise God that He is still in control despite ya'll that would love to murder us.

 

[InChristAlone525]

After reading some of the posts in this thread, there's a very small part of me that believes some folks need to be sterilized and not allowed to have children.

Was this directed at me? Please let me know so I can take this comment to the appropriate people.

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm not sure why you think that is an "objection" to anything.

I can't answer why you brought up and can't let go of something totally unquantifiable as if it were actually a response to a post with real data. I mean, I wouldn't do it, and if it were one of the "reasons" for me believing something I'd start to question if what I believed was actually consistent with reality.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I didn't say DDT caused the illness, I said how did a common virus in our poop cause paralysis all of a sudden?

What "all of a sudden?" Polio was identified in 1789, with archaeological evidence suggesting it's existed for thousands of years.

How did a virus in our poop make it's way into spinal cords? Think about it.

It crosses the blood-brain barrier and travels through the nerves.

How would DDT and/or arsenic impact this at all?

It's been so long since I debated people about vaccines, I forgot that it might have also been the spraying of arsenic on crops before we knew better that it was a poison.

Aresnic on crops only predates DDT by a few decades. Polio is still far older.

 

[KCfromNC]

I think you should go back and read what I actually said.

Post 53 admits you have no idea if you've read the studies or not. Has something changed since then that you'd like to bring up - for example, which of those studies you've now read and are sure failed to account for whatever excuse you have for trying to dismiss them? And more importantly, the statistical analysis you did to prove that this was true?

No kidding. You're great at it!

Or you can just post elementary school "I know you are but what am I" nonsense. That'll certainly make it obvious that these posts are based on a fair reading of the research in question informed by a sophisticated understanding of the subject matter.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I don't live my life based on fear.

Oh?

The vaccine debate is meaningless when you know that biotech investments during the pandemic made people extremely wealthy and fast too. I will stand by my opinion that it was a released lab made virus which they knew in advance and they were prepared to develop a new vaccine to make the investors incredibly wealthy. Bill Gates is on record stating vaccines are the most lucrative investment for him. Mark my words there will be another released virus and it will be worse and we WILL be forced to get the new vaccine. This was just a trial run. Thankfully there are a lot of freedom lovers out there and hopefully they will help stop their plans. Stay safe from fascists folks! (I am not afraid of your germs, Louis Pasteur was wrong, they have never proven saliva from a sick person can make a healthy person sick)

You are living your life based on at least as much fear as anybody else in this thread. That you choose to fear men more than pathogens doesn't mean you are not also guided by fear.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It crosses the blood-brain barrier and travels through the nerves.

Adding to this, there are plenty of ways for sewage to contaminate drinking water, even today, and methods of sewage separation and treatment have improved massively since the 19th century.

 

[KCfromNC]

What, then, do you attribute the drop in mortality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in my demographic?

Obviously your demographic is "terrorized by viruses", just like everything else with DNA.
If you happen to be a being without DNA, though, you're fine or something. I don't know, I'm just doing the best with what I've been given here.

 

[InChristAlone525]

What "all of a sudden?" Polio was identified in 1789, with archaeological evidence suggesting it's existed for thousands of years.



It crosses the blood-brain barrier and travels through the nerves.

How would DDT and/or arsenic impact this at all?


Aresnic on crops only predates DDT by a few decades. Polio is still far older.

'Identified'? They didn't even know about 'germs' until the 1860's, they are making an inference based on symptoms alone. I have no desire to debate the details of infectious disease, I am well past the age I thought that was fun. Most people will only dig as deep as what they are told.

 

[KCfromNC]

You cannot compare now to a hundred years ago.

Hmm, I wonder what has changed in our ability to prevent diseases compared to a hundred years ago.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Oh?



You are living your life based on at least as much fear as anybody else in this thread. That you choose to fear men more than pathogens doesn't mean you are not also guided by fear.

Well anyone who is a Christian knows God is in control we fear not man nor the devil, nor 'germs'. But I would be lying if I said I had no fear, of course I feel fear like everyone else, I just don't let it control my decisions.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Hmm, I wonder what has changed in our ability to prevent diseases compared to a hundred years ago.

Very common tactic of vaxxers. Its the vaccines that saved us!!! I just said that the invention of modern plumbing is what led to the decrease of disease. All of the infectious diseases decreased rapidly after that. I have studied graphs for hours, maybe it would do you well to look at them too.