Army Tries to Bring Back Soldiers Booted for Refusing the COVID Vaccine

[Tuur]

The vaccine debate is meaningless when you know that biotech investments during the pandemic made people extremely wealthy and fast too. I will stand by my opinion that it was a released lab made virus which they knew in advance and they were prepared to develop a new vaccine to make the investors incredibly wealthy. Bill Gates is on record stating vaccines are the most lucrative investment for him. Mark my words there will be another released virus and it will be worse and we WILL be forced to get the new vaccine. This was just a trial run. Thankfully there are a lot of freedom lovers out there and hopefully they will help stop their plans. Stay safe from fascists folks! (I am not afraid of your germs, Louis Pasteur was wrong, they have never proven saliva from a sick person can make a healthy person sick)

Not many people, including, I daresay, Christian Forum members, work only for warm fuzzy feeling of a job well done.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The vaccine debate is meaningless when you know that biotech investments during the pandemic made people extremely wealthy and fast too.

The usefulness of a biotech product is not rendered meaningless by the profits taken by the inventors.

I will stand by my opinion that it was a released lab made virus which they knew in advance and they were prepared to develop a new vaccine to make the investors incredibly wealthy.

This is like double certainly wrong. The evidence is very clear from the genetic code of the virus itself that it arose in nature. It was not manufactured by anyone. The second way this is certainly wrong is that any "release" was tied to the vaccine makers with a pre-prepped product. The vaccine development was very open and widely reported. We knew when there was a candidate vaccine and tracked it through various levels of testing.

Bill Gates is on record stating vaccines are the most lucrative investment for him.

I really don't care if he made a lot of money on vaccines. It has no bearing on the usefulness of the vaccine.

Mark my words there will be another released virus and it will be worse and we WILL be forced to get the new vaccine. This was just a trial run.

Given your track record in this post alone, I know that your claim has zero value and needs not to be "marked".

Thankfully there are a lot of freedom lovers out there and hopefully they will help stop their plans. Stay safe from fascists folks! (I am not afraid of your germs, Louis Pasteur was wrong, they have never proven saliva from a sick person can make a healthy person sick)

Again with the fascism claims, now in a whole new thread. Do you still not know what fascism actually is?

 

[probinson]

Not many people, including, I daresay, Christian Forum members, work only for warm fuzzy feeling of a job well done.

That may be true, but the facts are the rich got (MUCH) richer and the poor got (MUCH) poorer during the pandemic.

 

[probinson]

The evidence is very clear from the genetic code of the virus itself that it arose in nature. It was not manufactured by anyone.

Um, no.

FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday acknowledged that the bureau believes the Covid-19 pandemic was likely the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, China.​

​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/index.html

​

The evidence keeps piling up that not only is it incredibly likely that the virus was manufactured in lab, but it's also quite likely that Fauci approved funding that resulted in its creation AFTER the government was to stop all gain-of-function research. In addition to that, it's looking more and more like there was a concerted effort to conceal Fauci's funding of the project.

Sound like a conspiracy theory? Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of receipts...

This July, the House subcommittee released what appears to be an extremely incriminating email that Fauci had written on February 1, 2020, to multiple high-level officials, including Francis Collins. In the email Fauci wrote “scientists in Wuhan University are known to have been working on gain-of-function experiments” on bat viruses, and that there was “suspicion” that mutations seen in SARS-CoV-2 were not natural and were “intentionally inserted.” After viewing the email, Rand Paul referred Fauci to the Department of Justice for lying to Congress.​

​

Evidence of Fauci’s purposeful evasiveness can also be seen through the actions of a direct subordinate. Two months after Collins denied funding gain-of-function research, David Morens, a senior advisor to the director of the NIAID—at the time, Fauci—wrote in an email to Bloomberg reporter Jason Gale: “Tony doesn't want his fingerprints on origin stories.” In the email, Morens said he was tasked with speaking to reporters on behalf of Fauci about the origins of the virus. Later, in an interview with National Geographic, published September 2021, Morens, like Fauci, was careful to say all possibilities should be pursued, yet in the next breath said the point may already have been reached that continuing to look into a lab leak was “wasting time and being crazy.” ​

​

...​

​

In September 2021, Morens emailed Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance: “I try to always communicate on gmail because my NIH email is FOIA’d constantly.” The Morens email—a bald admission of deliberately attempting to avoid public records requests, in violation of NIH policy—continued: “Yesterday my gmail was hacked, probably by these GOF ********, and until IT can get it fixed I may have to occasionally email from my NIH account.”​

​

Anthony Fauci’s Deceptions

A trove of emails, Slack messages, and other documents reveal Fauci’s behind-the-scenes involvement. ‘Tony doesn't want his fingerprints on origin stories.’

www.thefp.com

​

So in sum from the above, we know Fauci was aware of the fact gain-of-function research was occurring and then lying about it, Fauci directed the creation of the "Proximal Origins" paper while pretending like he had no idea who the authors were, and there were people using Gmail in a blatant attempt to avoid public records requests.

You really should read the entire article. It's pretty clear that the origins of the virus were almost certainly the lab and Fauci and crew were working overtime to hide it.

 

[probinson]

No, I understand it quite well. Your post brought up something there's no how to quantify as if it were an objection to actual data presented in the post it was hoping to distract from.

It's not an "objection". It's the truth.

Evidence strongly suggests that SARS-CoV2 was circulating long before it was detected. Just because the first "official" case wasn't recorded until later doesn't mean it wasn't already infecting and/or killing people. I'm not sure why you think that is an "objection" to anything.

 

[probinson]

Said after a post admitting they'd not read the research the objection was targeting.

I think you should go back and read what I actually said.

Look, I get how denialism works.

No kidding. You're great at it!

 

[probinson]

If the spike protein is responsible for myocarditis, then it likely occurs in the same age group from the virus itself. Purely speculation on my part, but wouldn't be surprised if it was due to a reaction of the immune system.

The problem with most studies on myocarditis from infection vs. from vaccination is that they often fail to stratify the results by age. They conflate people at lower risk from vaccine-induced myocarditis with people at a much higher risk thereby diluting the actual risk for the group at highest risk.

Myocarditis is a rare but significant adverse event associated with COVID-19 vaccination, especially for men under 40. If the risk of myocarditis is not stratified by pertinent risk factors, it may be diluted for high-risk and inflated for low-risk groups. We sought to assess how the risk of myocarditis is reported in the literature.​

​

COVID-19 vaccine induced myocarditis in young males: A systematic review - PubMed

Only one in four articles reporting myocarditis used four stratifiers, and men younger than 40 receiving a second dose of an mRNA vaccine are at greatest risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

Again, this is why across the board recommendations that are the same for everyone from 6 months old to 99+ years old are foolish. There are different risk profiles for different populations, and the recommendations should absolutely take that into account. Most of the world has done that. The US is a bit of an outlier in continuing its recommendation to vaccinate everyone. Most countries have moved on to recommending for 55+ or 65+.

 

[MForbes]

The vaccine debate is meaningless when you know that biotech investments during the pandemic made people extremely wealthy and fast too. I will stand by my opinion that it was a released lab made virus which they knew in advance and they were prepared to develop a new vaccine to make the investors incredibly wealthy. Bill Gates is on record stating vaccines are the most lucrative investment for him. Mark my words there will be another released virus and it will be worse and we WILL be forced to get the new vaccine. This was just a trial run. Thankfully there are a lot of freedom lovers out there and hopefully they will help stop their plans. Stay safe from fascists folks! (I am not afraid of your germs, Louis Pasteur was wrong, they have never proven saliva from a sick person can make a healthy person sick)

Is that you, Q?

 

[InChristAlone525]

The usefulness of a biotech product is not rendered meaningless by the profits taken by the inventors.

This is like double certainly wrong. The evidence is very clear from the genetic code of the virus itself that it arose in nature. It was not manufactured by anyone. The second way this is certainly wrong is that any "release" was tied to the vaccine makers with a pre-prepped product. The vaccine development was very open and widely reported. We knew when there was a candidate vaccine and tracked it through various levels of testing.

I really don't care if he made a lot of money on vaccines. It has no bearing on the usefulness of the vaccine.

Given your track record in this post alone, I know that your claim has zero value and needs not to be "marked".


Again with the fascism claims, now in a whole new thread. Do you still not know what fascism actually is?

Considering the usefulness of the vaccine is practically non existent I don't know how you can keep telling yourself these lies. It's true that you can't know you are deceived until it is pointed out to you. Unfortunately when something is pointed out you just double down on your beliefs. Deception is like that. It makes life very frustrating to those who actually do know the truth.

I had a similar argument with someone (also a worshiper of science and politics) about covid, him and his wife got the jabs, wore their mask like good little boys and girls, they both got covid pretty bad. Me? I came out of the pandemic healthy. I got the typical seasonal cold that's it. There's nothing about this virus that makes me tremble in fear and line up to get shot up with an experimental biotech product that made Bill Gates even more wealthy. Ya'll can have your toxic politics, your toxic lies, your toxic beliefs, and ultimately face judgment day standing before your God saying "BuT tHe sCiEnCE sAiD sO"

 

[Hans Blaster]

Considering the usefulness of the vaccine is practically non existent I don't know how you can keep telling yourself these lies. It's true that you can't know you are deceived until it is pointed out to you. Unfortunately when something is pointed out you just double down on your beliefs. Deception is like that. It makes life very frustrating to those who actually do know the truth.

And yet, the entire above paragraph is entirely wrong about the vaccine. This "truth" you claim to have isn't even true.

I had a similar argument with someone (also a worshiper of science and politics)

You seem to be implying that I worship science and or politics. I worship neither and nothing. Worship is an undignified activity for a sentient being.

about covid, him and his wife got the jabs, wore their mask like good little boys and girls, they both got covid pretty bad. Me? I came out of the pandemic healthy. I got the typical seasonal cold that's it. There's nothing about this virus that makes me tremble in fear and line up to get shot up with an experimental biotech product that made Bill Gates even more wealthy. Ya'll can have your toxic politics, your toxic lies, your toxic beliefs, and ultimately face judgment day standing before your God saying "BuT tHe sCiEnCE sAiD sO"

Anecdotes and disinfo.

 

[iluvatar5150]

HAHAHA. Nope, never followed Q or Alex Jones or Trump in my quest for truth.

I am staunchly anti-vax and will never allow one to be injected in me nor my children. My kids have NEVER needed a doctor at 15 and 11. How many vaxxers do you know whose kids never needed a doctor? My 11 yr old is pretty clumsy too, he gets many cuts and bruises and we allow him to run around the neighborhood and play up in trees. Never broke a bone or needed a doctor.

That's a weird metric - unless you're just being stupid, breaking a bone or not is mostly a matter of luck. You could fall one way 1000x and be fine, but put your hand in a slightly different spot and you could wind up in the hospital. An acquaintance and I both broke our ankles this summer - I at BJJ class, him while stepping off a bicycle. His triggering event was less violent, but his break was far worse (I have two screws; he has a lot) In high school, I broke one kid's cheek playing football and another kid's ankle while sliding into second base. In every case, a difference of a couple inches would've saved us.

Worst thing they ever had was a fever, and hey the body knows what it's doing! They get better within a day or two. We work with the body not against it. Biotech is just a money making machine. After modern plumbing and sewers, clean drinking water and personal hygiene rates of disease PLUMMETED. Measles was a childhood rite of passage and 99% of people recovered fine. Even polio 98% of people recovered fine. I had chicken pox as a child I can't believe kids now are vaccinated for it. Tetanus is easily avoided by knowing that you stepped on something that punctured deep in your body and you CLEAN it out. Tetanus can't form with oxygen. The others are not even a risk to Americans. Flu and cold viruses are the body's way of cleaning out. If you are a toxic person that is petrified of viruses you are going to have a rough go of it.

What I hear you saying is that you're okay with 1 out of every 1-200 cases causing permanent paralysis or death.

 

[InChristAlone525]

And yet, the entire above paragraph is entirely wrong about the vaccine. This "truth" you claim to have isn't even true.

You seem to be implying that I worship science and or politics. I worship neither and nothing. Worship is an undignified activity for a sentient being.

Anecdotes and disinfo.

You will know someday hopefully sooner rather than later, that you can't get outside of having a belief in something, you are putting your faith in science just like someone puts their faith in God. I've had many debates with atheists they all act the same, that they are somehow outside of faith in anything.

It's impossible.

That'd be like being God which is exactly what the temptation is. You want to be a god. And be in control of your life. It goes all the way back to the garden of Eden. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to be like god. Every single atheist refuses to give up control over their life (even though they have very little control in the end). And it will be your destruction in the end.

 

[InChristAlone525]

That's a weird metric - unless you're just being stupid, breaking a bone or not is mostly a matter of luck. You could fall one way 1000x and be fine, but put your hand in a slightly different spot and you could wind up in the hospital. An acquaintance and I both broke our ankles this summer - I at BJJ class, him while stepping off a bicycle. His triggering event was less violent, but his break was far worse (I have two screws; he has a lot) In high school, I broke one kid's cheek playing football and another kid's ankle while sliding into second base. In every case, a difference of a couple inches would've saved us.




What I hear you saying is that you're okay with 1 out of every 1-200 cases causing permanent paralysis or death.

I realize that God has blessed my children, I thank him everyday, we have guardian angels. If you look up the study done on a real population of kids at a pediatricians office, he found his vaccinated patients got more sicknesses, and had more allergies, he was attacked by the board for years, he finally stepped down recently and retired among a crowd of people who cried because he was such a good pediatrician. He promoted actual wellness.

No actually I have all the statistics somewhere on my PC about polio, of the small percentage that had it worse, only a VERY small percentage died or were paralyzed. The iron lung photos were propaganda, they weren't even plugged in in the photos. It was like a marketing ad more than actual reality. You HAVE to question everything. Polio was a virus common in poop, how did it get into the spinal cords of humans? Could it have been the mass spraying of DDT??????????????????????????????????????

 

[Hans Blaster]

You will know someday hopefully sooner rather than later, that you can't get outside of having a belief in something, you are putting your faith in science just like someone puts their faith in God. I've had many debates with atheists they all act the same, that they are somehow outside of faith in anything.

It's impossible.

I don't know why its so hard for some people to accept that I just don't believe in your god or any other and I don't feel any need to substitute any other placebo. I know what it is like to believe as I once did. I just don't any more.

That'd be like being God which is exactly what the temptation is. You want to be a god.

I have no interest in being a god. How boring would that get.

And be in control of your life.

Wouldn't we all like a bit more control, but god didn't change that equation. I didn't feel more or less in control when I believed in God.

It goes all the way back to the garden of Eden. Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to be like god.

Knowledge of what is right and wrong (a moral framework) is a bad thing some how? I don't really get that story and frankly I never gave it much thought.

Every single atheist refuses to give up control over their life (even though they have very little control in the end).

No one should "give up control over their life" not believers, not unbelievers. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

And it will be your destruction in the end.

I we've gotten to the "insert hell threat" phase of your argument. I accept your surrender. I'll even give gracious terms like my avatar did.

 

[InChristAlone525]

I don't know why its so hard for some people to accept that I just don't believe in your god or any other and I don't feel any need to substitute any other placebo. I know what it is like to believe as I once did. I just don't any more.

I have no interest in being a god. How boring would that get.

Wouldn't we all like a bit more control, but god didn't change that equation. I didn't feel more or less in control when I believed in God.

Knowledge of what is right and wrong (a moral framework) is a bad thing some how? I don't really get that story and frankly I never gave it much thought.


No one should "give up control over their life" not believers, not unbelievers. I don't see what this has to do with anything.

I we've gotten to the "insert hell threat" phase of your argument. I accept your surrender. I'll even give gracious terms like my avatar did.

I know you didn't understand one word of my comment and I knew you wouldn't. Those blinded cannot see. "ears to hear and eyes to see" you don't have that, so I'm talking past you. But I am planting seeds. That's all that matters. Giving up control means surrendering to the God who IS in control. He takes care of us when you surrender. He is a good good Father.

I am not surprised by how many atheists are on Christian forums and Christian youtube channels, you are seeking if you are here. Seek and you will find. He will not turn you away. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean He doesn't exist. He is still there drawing you in.

No, the tree didn't teach them right from wrong, it was KNOWING evil, they knew their own sin and they were ashamed for the first time. Before this they were perfect in God's image but having free will they chose to become like a god knowing what he knows. That's all it means, it means YOU want control over your life, not that you want to be up in the sky somewhere pulling the strings, that not who God is anyway. He is the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end and he is the embodiment of love so even you who doesn't acknowledge him have his attributes.

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you look up the study done on a real population of kids at a pediatricians office, he found his vaccinated patients got more sicknesses, and had more allergies, he was attacked by the board for years, he finally stepped down recently and retired among a crowd of people who cried because he was such a good pediatrician. He promoted actual wellness.

Who is "he"?

No actually I have all the statistics somewhere on my PC about polio, of the small percentage that had it worse, only a VERY small percentage died or were paralyzed.

Yeah, about 0.1%-0.5% developed paralysis, and a couple percent of those died. That sounds low, but when you have hundreds of thousands of people getting infected every year, it adds up.

Polio was a virus common in poop, how did it get into the spinal cords of humans?

Lots of diseases are transmitted through contaminated drinking water.

Could it have been the mass spraying of DDT??????????????????????????????????????

Polio has been around a lot longer than DDT, which didn't go on sale until 1945.

 

[Tuur]

Considering the usefulness of the vaccine is practically non existent I don't know how you can keep telling yourself these lies.

Ah...no. If the vaccine was practically useless, then there wouldn't have been a marked decrease in mortality among vaccine recipients in my demographic. Clearly it was quite useful for some of us.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Who is "he"?


Yeah, about 0.1%-0.5% developed paralysis, and a couple percent of those died. That sounds low, but when you have hundreds of thousands of people getting infected every year, it adds up.




Lots of diseases are transmitted through contaminated drinking water.




Polio has been around a lot longer than DDT, which didn't go on sale until 1945.

I didn't say DDT caused the illness, I said how did a common virus in our poop cause paralysis all of a sudden? How did a virus in our poop make it's way into spinal cords? Think about it.

It's been so long since I debated people about vaccines, I forgot that it might have also been the spraying of arsenic on crops before we knew better that it was a poison.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Ah...no. If the vaccine was practically useless, then there wouldn't have been a marked decrease in mortality among vaccine recipients in my demographic. Clearly it was quite useful for some of us.

It's useful for people terrorized by viruses.

 

[MForbes]

After reading some of the posts in this thread, there's a part of me that believes some folks shouldn’t have children.