Armegeddon/Gog-Magog same event?

[NJBeliever]

Huh?

What was unclear about what I stated?

 

[kotel]

Gog/Magog, Armageddon and the Rev 20 battle are 3 distinct, separate battles that occur before, during and after the Day of The Lord, respectively.

There are 3 distinct battles involving Gog. To be a little more accurate as to the timing, the first Gog war begins the day of the Lord and Armageddon is at the end of the Tribulation that ends this present age and the second Gog war is after the Day of The Lord (1,003 1/2 years).

Gog 1 <--3.5 year Tribulation-->Armageddon Gog 2<--------Millennium------->Gog 3<New heaven and new earth------------eternity---------->

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There are 3 distinct battles involving Gog. To be a little more accurate as to the timing, the first Gog war begins the day of the Lord and Armageddon is at the end of the Tribulation that ends this present age and the second Gog war is after the Day of The Lord (1,003 1/2 years).

Gog 1 <--3.5 year Tribulation-->Armageddon<--------Millennium------->Gog 2<New heaven and new earth------------eternity---------->

Wow.......where the heck did that view arrive from?

 

[B1inHim]

Welll... we may not agree on this but thats ok too... have a great weekend and don't forget to keep an eye out for all those Wicca people, they are recruitng this weekend too
Brother Jerry

 

[kotel]

Wow.......where the heck did that view arrive from?

I got that from a crystal ball I bought from Wal-Mart 10 years ago.

To be honest with you it came from a Study Bible, prophecy books and reference books, such as the ISBE.

I’m guessing from the bold print and the red highlighting you are questioning the two Gog wars and the Tribulation of 3.5 years.

Gog invades the land the first time when Israel is living in peace with her neighbors in the first half of Daniel’s 70th week prior to middle of the 7 year covenant when the Antichrist puts an end to Jewish sacrifices and offerings in Jerusalem (Dan 9:27).

“Peace and safety” in the Middle East prior to Gog’s invasion at mid point of the 7 year covenant.

Eze. 38:
11 You will say, “I (Gog) will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people - all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.

14-15 Therefore, son of man (Ezekiel), prophesy and say to Gog: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it. You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army.

Gog will take possession of Jerusalem for the second half of the 7 year covenant, the same 42 months the Antichrist is given power (Rev. 13:5) and the same 42 months the City will be trampled by the Gentiles (11:2). There is coming a 7 year period but only the second half of it is the great tribulation of 3.5 years, the same period of time as “a time, times, and ½ a time” or 42 months or 1,260 days.

At the end of the 3.5 years Christ returns to destroy his enemies at Armageddon Eze. 38:21-23; 39:3-6). At this time He will resurrect the OT saints and martyred tribulation saints to reign with him for a thousand years (Rev. 20:4-5). “When the thousand years are over” the second Gog war occurs (7).

The 1st Gog war is during the false peace in the middle of the seven year covenant, the second Gog war is at the end of the thousand years of peace established by Christ.

 

[NJBeliever]

There are 3 distinct battles involving Gog. To be a little more accurate as to the timing, the first Gog war begins the day of the Lord and Armageddon is at the end of the Tribulation that ends this present age and the second Gog war is after the Day of The Lord (1,003 1/2 years).

Gog 1 <--3.5 year Tribulation-->Armageddon<--------Millennium------->Gog 2<New heaven and new earth------------eternity---------->

Right. TO be technical I think Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38 ends at the beginning of the Day of The Lord (if that makes sense). So that would be the first trumpet.

Following that I believe that there is a 7 year Day of The Lord. At the end of which is Armageddon and the Rev 20 battle, of which Gog and Magog are a part of a much greater group. That battle is really more like Satan's last ditch effort than a Gog/Magog battle.

 

[Ave Maria]

I am honestly not sure.

 

[RibI]

I got that from a crystal ball I bought from Wal-Mart 10 years ago.

That apears to be the same place all these other people got their understaining, or lack thereof, also.

 

[1whirlwind]

Originally Posted by 1whirlwind

My simple view is....Armageddon is a spiritual battle, one we are going through now. Satan gathers his crowds of believers as Jesus gathers us and then..."It is done." [Revelation 16:17]

There are two Gog/Magog battles. One, mentioned in Revelation, is at the end of the millennium when Satan is released for a short time.

The other, taught in Ezekiel, is at the end of this age...just before the second advent. I believe it is Russia and their allies against....America, on American soil in Alaska.
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Never heard of it viewed like that before. Interesting perspective on it though........

I came across something this morning on this subject....

Hebrews 12:1-2 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Race is always translated "fight, conflict, etc." except save here. The word means THE PLACE OF ASSEMBLY, and then the games witnessed, and then any contest, a lawsuit, etc. - Companion Bible (KJV), E.W. Bullinger
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Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.

Armageddon is the gathering place of the crowds. There (world-wide...not in one spot) we are delivered for a testimony. We are gathered/assembled with crowds for a witness/testimony.

The battle of Armageddon is the "race set before us" when we will allow the Holy Spirit to speak through us. Is that happening now? I don't know...perhaps. Perhaps what we do on forums such as this is to allow Him to speak through us. Is this our Armageddon?
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Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

 

[NJBeliever]

That apears to be the same place all these other people got their understaining, or lack thereof, also.

Do you care to offer a Biblical explanation of what your understanding is?

 

[RibI]

Do you care to offer a Biblical explanation of what your understanding is?

Read Post # 2

 

[Achilles6129]

Alright, well I was going to start a thread on this but since it has already been started I will just add my view.

I think that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38/39 and Armageddon of Revelation 19 are the same event. However, the Gog/Magog event of Revelation 20 happens 1000 years after. I will present Scripture in an attempt to prove this.

First, something that may or may not be of significance:

"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Rev. 6:2

"And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand." Ezek. 39:3

It could be that the bow of the white rider (AC) in Revelation is a reference to the bow of Gog in Ezekiel. There is no other reference to a "bow" in Revelation, and the weapon must have some significance.
Alright, anyways, note the abundance of similarities between Gog's destruction and Armageddon:

"And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground." Eze. 39:18-20

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell:...And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." Rev. 16:17-19...20

So we can see the similarities between earthquakes.

"And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD; every man's sword shall be against his brother." Eze. 38:21

"Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth; And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts." Hag. 2:22-23

"Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle...And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour." Zech. 14:3...13

Notice how in Zech. 14, when Jesus Christ returns (Rev. 19) every man's hand is against his neighbour, and also when Gog is destroyed, every man's hand is against his brother.

More:

"And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone." Eze. 38:22

First off, we have the mention of pestilence, something also talked about in Zech. 14, with the "plague" God smites the nations with that fight at Jerusalem (Armageddon). Then, we have the mention of blood:

"Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:..." Isa. 34:3-4

The next mention we have is of a great rain (storm) along with great hailstones. Obviously, in order to have great hailstones you would have to have a tremendous storm (overflowing rain). This event is mentioned in Revelation during the destruction of the beast:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Rev. 11:19

Obviously this is the return of Jesus Christ, as proven by these next two verses:

"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great." Rev. 16:21

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;...And the kings of the earth, and the great men,...hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Rev. 6:12...15...16-17

They are hiding themselves in the dens/rocks of the mountains to cover themselves from the plague of HAIL, which, "coincidentally" also happens when Gog is destroyed. So, a plague of great hail happens both when Gog is destroyed, and also when the beast of Revelation is destroyed.

More similarities:

"And, thou son of man, thus said the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD." Eze. 39:17-20

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great...And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." Rev. 19:17-18...21

Something else:

"So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward." Eze. 39:22

The problem is that if Eze. 38/39 is referring to the Gog/Magog destruction in Rev. 20, Christ would already have reigned 1000 years, so the house of Israel would already have "known" for the past 1000 years. This verse, then, must be dealing with the return of Jesus Christ and the beginning of his 1000 year reign in Jerusalem. Same with these verses:

"When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemes' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD." Eze. 39:27-29

As we can see from the above verse, if it were talking about the destruction of Gog PRIOR to the return of Christ, it would make no sense, because the verse says that God will no longer hide his face from the "house of Israel" (the saved). Therefore, the verse must be talking about the return of Christ and His subsequent 1000 year reign.

So, from the above verses, we can plainly see that there is a remarkable similarity between the destruction of Gog in Ezek. 38/39 and the destruction of the beast in Revelation:

1. great earthquakes which move mountains
2. every man's sword is against his brother/neighbour
3. pestilence/plague/blood
4. a tremendous storm which causes great hail
5. fowls devour Gog and fowls devour the beast

We can also see that directly after the destruction of Gog the house of Israel knows that "I am the LORD their God from that day and forward", and directly after the destruction of the beast Christ reigns 1000 years in Jerusalem.

We should be careful of taking two events to be the same just because of several similarities in the Bible, but in this case I believe that the preponderance of evidence indicates that the destruction of Gog/the beast are one and the same event.

 

[rdclmn72]

Armageddon is where the armies meet before climbing toward Jerusalem.
Ezekiel establishes that they will later die of a plague upon the mountains of Israel.
Revelations establishes that later, after the millenium, the nations will once again approach the city and encampment of God, only to die of fire from God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Armageddon is where the armies meet before climbing toward Jerusalem.
Ezekiel establishes that they will later die of a plague upon the mountains of Israel.
Revelations establishes that later, after the millenium, the nations will once again approach the city and encampment of God, only to die of fire from God.

Thank you for your view

I forgot all about this thread!!!........

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Ezek 38/39's gog event happens at the 6th seal, proven by Joel 2 and Rev 6 and 8.
Gog's armies invade when the sun/moon darken/stars fall (Joel 2) and is the reason the tribulation is cut short. They are destroyed by hail, blood and fire falling from heaven which is the 1st and 2nd trumpets of the 7th seal.

Armageddon happens after the 7th seal when Christ comes to destroy.

 

[Zeena]

YOUZA's!

There sure seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

YOUZA's!

There sure seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread...

And as usual, I am in the "minority"

 

[the.Sheepdog]

I read Psalms 83 as the war of Israels neighbors including Syria, Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudi's, Egyptians, Hamas, and Hezbollah. They will likely attack as result of Israels attack on the Iranian nuke facilities. I look for that Israeli attack this year. The Psalms 83 war soon after.

Rapture of the Church should be in here somewhere I beleive.

Ezekiel 38 war. This happens after Israel's walls are down and they are happy about their peace and safety. They took a big land advantage in the Psalms 83 war and have large borders to protect Jerusalem so take down the all and security 20 ft fences. All of the Muslim confederation will join in this war including the Russians and especially the irate Iranians. God himself will intervene and defeat this army decisively. This will also cause Israelis to flock back to God and demand the temple open asap. The dreaded AC will show up to smooth talk the Israelis and Muslims and end up with a 7 year treaty. Also promising a new temple for the Jews.

3.5 years later this AC fellow gets tired of just being a great guy and after a mortal wound, death, and 3 days dead, He arises Satan himself in the AC's body. Stuff gets nasty right off.

The battle of Armageddon will happen at the end of the 7 years of tribulation. many new Christians will have been murdered for the faith. But the age of grace is over, so salvation doesnt help much with the tribulation and many will die from the catastrophic things happening to the earth.

All nations will be cursed by this time and all will gather for the great war. Magog is the peoples of Russia. The hill of Megiddo and the valley has been a natural battle point for Alexander the Great, Napoleon, and others throughout history. They are all commanded by Satan in the body of the AC to once and for all take out Israel and the "Nazarene" as the Devil likes to call Jesus.

Insert big nasty battles and Jesus winning with the sword of His mouth.

 

[NJBeliever]

I read Psalms 83 as the war of Israels neighbors including Syria, Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudi's, Egyptians, Hamas, and Hezbollah. They will likely attack as result of Israels attack on the Iranian nuke facilities. I look for that Israeli attack this year. The Psalms 83 war soon after.

Rapture of the Church should be in here somewhere I beleive.

Ezekiel 38 war. This happens after Israel's walls are down and they are happy about their peace and safety. They took a big land advantage in the Psalms 83 war and have large borders to protect Jerusalem so take down the all and security 20 ft fences. All of the Muslim confederation will join in this war including the Russians and especially the irate Iranians. God himself will intervene and defeat this army decisively. This will also cause Israelis to flock back to God and demand the temple open asap. The dreaded AC will show up to smooth talk the Israelis and Muslims and end up with a 7 year treaty. Also promising a new temple for the Jews.

3.5 years later this AC fellow gets tired of just being a great guy and after a mortal wound, death, and 3 days dead, He arises Satan himself in the AC's body. Stuff gets nasty right off.

The battle of Armageddon will happen at the end of the 7 years of tribulation. many new Christians will have been murdered for the faith. But the age of grace is over, so salvation doesnt help much with the tribulation and many will die from the catastrophic things happening to the earth.

All nations will be cursed by this time and all will gather for the great war. Magog is the peoples of Russia. The hill of Megiddo and the valley has been a natural battle point for Alexander the Great, Napoleon, and others throughout history. They are all commanded by Satan in the body of the AC to once and for all take out Israel and the "Nazarene" as the Devil likes to call Jesus.

Insert big nasty battles and Jesus winning with the sword of His mouth.

I don't know about the Israel attack happening "next year" but about everything else you state is totally correct.

 

[Mess]

I read Psalms 83 as the war of Israels neighbors including Syria, Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudi's, Egyptians, Hamas, and Hezbollah. They will likely attack as result of Israels attack on the Iranian nuke facilities. I look for that Israeli attack this year. The Psalms 83 war soon after.

Rapture of the Church should be in here somewhere I beleive.

Ezekiel 38 war. This happens after Israel's walls are down and they are happy about their peace and safety. They took a big land advantage in the Psalms 83 war and have large borders to protect Jerusalem so take down the all and security 20 ft fences. All of the Muslim confederation will join in this war including the Russians and especially the irate Iranians. God himself will intervene and defeat this army decisively. This will also cause Israelis to flock back to God and demand the temple open asap. The dreaded AC will show up to smooth talk the Israelis and Muslims and end up with a 7 year treaty. Also promising a new temple for the Jews.

3.5 years later this AC fellow gets tired of just being a great guy and after a mortal wound, death, and 3 days dead, He arises Satan himself in the AC's body. Stuff gets nasty right off.

The battle of Armageddon will happen at the end of the 7 years of tribulation. many new Christians will have been murdered for the faith. But the age of grace is over, so salvation doesnt help much with the tribulation and many will die from the catastrophic things happening to the earth.

All nations will be cursed by this time and all will gather for the great war. Magog is the peoples of Russia. The hill of Megiddo and the valley has been a natural battle point for Alexander the Great, Napoleon, and others throughout history. They are all commanded by Satan in the body of the AC to once and for all take out Israel and the "Nazarene" as the Devil likes to call Jesus.

Insert big nasty battles and Jesus winning with the sword of His mouth.

I very much agree with this