Are we in the last of the last days?

[TurtleAnne]

Revelation 3 seems to be kind of a significant piece of the puzzle.

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 

[he-man]

"he-man". Do you have any original thoughts or theology or are you going to just keep parroting the thoughts and teachings of these other people, some of whom are from a known CULT which was totally defrocked?

Shame on you, only God knows which, if any cults will be defrocked!
Are you aware of Strong's Greek or THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON? Are you wise with knowledge and discerning?
Daniel 2:20 and said: “Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;.. wisdom and power are His. He changes times and seasons; He deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle
1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [602 αποκάλυψη revelation, disclosure] apocalypse, exposure,revelation; one who proclaims a calling [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia] Advent." 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Strong's Greek: 3952 παρουσιασ (parousia) appearance, presence, attendance, substance, property,
contribution; being physically present ΜΕ: via OFr. from L. praesentia ‘being at hand’, from praeesse; coming, Advent; Ev.Matt.24.27 2:1; James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4; Χριστοῦ, 2 Peter 1:16; αὐτοῦ, 1 Corinthians 15:23;
Romans 8:19; τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, of the glory clothed with which he will return from heaven, 1 Peter 4:13; of this return itself the phrase is used,
THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON, Electronic Database.
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[Major1]

Shame on you, only God knows which, if any cults will be defrocked!
Are you aware of Strong's Greek or THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON? Are you wise with knowledge and discerning?
Daniel 2:20 and said: “Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;.. wisdom and power are His. He changes times and seasons; He deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle
1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [602 αποκάλυψη revelation, disclosure] apocalypse, exposure,revelation; one who proclaims a calling [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia] Advent." 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Strong's Greek: 3952 παρουσιασ (parousia) appearance, presence, attendance, substance, property,
contribution; being physically present ΜΕ: via OFr. from L. praesentia ‘being at hand’, from praeesse; coming, Advent; Ev.Matt.24.27 2:1; James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4; Χριστοῦ, 2 Peter 1:16; αὐτοῦ, 1 Corinthians 15:23;
Romans 8:19; τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, of the glory clothed with which he will return from heaven, 1 Peter 4:13; of this return itself the phrase is used,
THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON, Electronic Database.
Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2006, 2011 by Biblesoft, Inc.
All rights reserved. Used by permission.

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"Shame on me".???? You plagiarize others and say to me...."Shame on me".

Please be serious my friend.

 

[Ben Dave]

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[Major1]

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Why do I want to give out my personal information with out anything at all to support that process??

 

[Major1]

Revelation 3 seems to be kind of a significant piece of the puzzle.

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

It is my thinking that verse #10 is a promise that God will rapture all true born again believers.

 

[parousia70]

Revelation 3 seems to be kind of a significant piece of the puzzle.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Why would the Glorified Christ, from Heaven, promise those 1st century Christians at Sardis that His thief's coming was going to befall them in their day?

 

[Major1]

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Why would the Glorified Christ, from Heaven, promise those 1st century Christians at Sardis that His thief's coming was going to befall them in their day?

Good question. In my view the fact is that the Rapture could take place at any moment and that is why we are to be alert.

You see, anyone can be ready for anything when we know what the FIXED time is going to be. Jesus however tells us to be ready all the time for when ye think not, then the son of man cometh.

Now, the City of Sardis was on a high mountain top in Turkey. It was virtually impossible for an enemy to climb and attack the city. All they had to do was put a guard to watch the only access and then block the passage. IN spite of that, on two occasions the guard went to SLEEP and the enemy got into the city.

The Lord says to the Church in Sardis......."Don't YOU fall asleep like the city did. WAKE UP...Keep watch!!! I CAN COME JUST LIKE THE ENEMY DID!"

 

[parousia70]

Good question. In my view the fact is that the Rapture could take place at any moment and that is why we are to be alert.

Which means things like microchips, nuclear weapons, 1948 Israel, etc could not be things prophesied in scripture, otherwise we would not Have the Glorified Christ in heaven telling 1st century peoples to "watch" for them in their day..

Either that, or He purposefully misled those first century peoples to believe a falsehood.

 

[Goatee]

Last days! Why worry? Are you prepared in your soul? Thats all that matters!

 

[Major1]

Which means things like microchips, nuclear weapons, 1948 Israel, etc could not be things prophesied in scripture, otherwise we would not Have the Glorified Christ in heaven telling 1st century peoples to "watch" for them in their day..

Either that, or He purposefully misled those first century peoples to believe a falsehood.

I am not sure I follow your thinking.

If when John was taken to the future and shown what was going to take place and then came back and wrote what he saw, he had to have used the knowledge he was equipped with.

If, and I mean IF not when......IF he was shown warfare of the 21st century, there would be no way for him to describe it. He would have used the knowledge he had of his day.

I have no problem taking the Revelation as literal. I also have no problem in understanding the things he described as being modern day war machines.

Rev. 9:7-10............
"The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.
They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. "

Is that "demons"?......Could be.

Is it modern warfare machines?......Could be as well.

I have personally seen and been in combat and I promise you that if I was going to try and describe a Black Hawk helicopter in combat.....that would be it!

If you ever saw a copter spraying Agent Orange from its tail, you would say the say thing.

 

[Major1]

Last days! Why worry? Are you prepared in your soul? Thats all that matters!

Agree completely!.........No worries mate....Amen?

 

[parousia70]

I am not sure I follow your thinking.

If when John was taken to the future and shown what was going to take place and then came back and wrote what he saw, he had to have used the knowledge he was equipped with.

If, and I mean IF not when......IF he was shown warfare of the 21st century, there would be no way for him to describe it. He would have used the knowledge he had of his day.

If John was shown 21st century warfare, Then Revelation 3:3 shows that the Glorified Christ was completely ignorant about it.

Rev. 9:7-10............
"The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.
They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. "

Is that "demons"?......Could be.

Is it modern warfare machines?......Could be as well.

Could also be descriptions of actual armament worn by Roman Horses and Riders...

"The Heads of the Horses resembled Heads of Lions"

On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.”

“They had breastplates like breastplates of iron.”

No fanciful Hollywood sci-fi speculation required.

 

[Major1]

If John was shown 21st century warfare, Then Revelation 3:3 shows that the Glorified Christ was completely ignorant about it.



Could also be descriptions of actual armament worn by Roman Horses and Riders...

"The Heads of the Horses resembled Heads of Lions"

On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.”

“They had breastplates like breastplates of iron.”

No fanciful Hollywood sci-fi speculation required.

And as I said....I have no problem with that at all.

 

[Psalm3704]

That is right, but it did not come from the Bible, it came from Jews who were not Christians and has prevailed even up to now as a false doctrine

You have no idea how wrong you are. The rapture was expounded by the Apostle Paul, who was a Jewish Christian and a follower of Christ.

But the teachings of the rapture was first taught by Jesus. Yes, Jesus!

Jesus gave two parables in the Olivet Discourse; first parable on the second coming (Matthew 24:3-31, Mark 13:4-27, Luke 21:7-28) and the second parable He gave was on the rapture (Matthew 24:32-51, Mark 13:28-37, Luke 21:29-38).

You have absolutely no idea how wrong you are if you think Jesus is not Christian.

And Keras is equally lost concerning the rapture for with his agree rating.

The Adam Clarke Commentary. '10 Irrefutable Proofs' Number 1. "THE RAPTURE IS THE 'BLESSED HOPE' WHILE THE SECOND COMING IS A DAY TO BE GREATLY FEARED" ... They separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they fail to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple, logical truth.

Number 2. "IN THE RAPTURE, JESUS COMES FOR HIS CHURCH, AT HIS SECOND COMING HE BRINGS THE CHURCH WITH HIM" ... They say that Jesus takes His church way in the rapture, quoting 1 Thess. 4:16-17. And then Jesus comes back with the church at the second coming, quoting Revelation 19:14, which says 'the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses.". But what they fail to realize is that the 'armies' whom Jesus returns with are His angels, as Matthew 25:31 confirms, not the church.

"But what about 1 Thessalonians 4:14, where it says that those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him? This surely is talking about the church coming back from heaven after the rapture with Jesus at His physical return?" Those who believe in a rapture say that the Greek word "parousia" refers to the secret coming of Jesus with the rapturing of the church and that the Greek word "apokalupsis" refers to the visible glorious coming of Jesus in power seven years later. So they believe from these Greek words that Christ will return in two phases, separated by the 7 year tribulation. Well, we have already proven from the Bible that there is no separation between the church and the wicked until the END OF THE WORLD. But let's take a look at "parousia" and "apokalupsis", and what we will show you is that BOTH are used to describe the SAME second coming, not two comings.-So, No it's not. Rapture adherents love this verse, but they completely miss the context of what is being said here. Look at both vs. 13 and 14. Paul is clearly talking about those who are asleep in Christ, ie, those who are in their graves waiting for His return. And what does Paul say to give encouragement concerning those who have died? He says that just as God raised Jesus from the dead, so He will bring with Jesus those who sleep in Him. In other words, those who have died, God will raise them from the dead, just like He rose Jesus from the dead.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
Please understand that VITAL point. The rapture theory teaches a separation BEFORE the end. But the Bible clearly teaches that there is NO separation before the end.
This also proves the mid-tribulation rapture teaching to be false
But Paul then shows that this "parousia" will destroy the man of sin; the Antichrist ... "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia]." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. So we have a problem. Paul is saying that it is DURING the "parousia" of Christ that the man of sin will be destroyed. And yet those who hold to the rapture teaching say that the man of sin will reign AFTER the "parousia". And will not be destroyed until the physical "apokalupsis" coming of Christ.
"Apokalupsis" [revelation] is also used in a way that indicates it is NOT a separate coming from the time the believers are gathered up. Peter said in 1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" Now why would Christians be exhorted to continue hoping to the end of the world for the grace brought through the revelation of Jesus Christ if their real hope was a rapture seven years before the revelation? Do you see the problems with this teaching? I hope so. But What About One Taken and One Left Behind?
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle

Is the Rapture in the Bible? Biblical Truth or False?

There are thousands of website with different opinions on the rapture. How do you know this website has the correct information on the rapture?

What makes you think you hit the jackpot? Read the bible, that's how you hit home runs.









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[he-man]

"Shame on me".???? You plagiarize others and say to me...."Shame on me".
Please be serious my friend.

plagiarize? 1.take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
synonyms: copy · infringe the copyright of · pirate · steal · poach ·
copy from (someone) and pass it off as one's own. I hardly think that you can plagiarize the Bible, LOL! 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, and don't forget
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
King James Version (KJV) Public Domain!
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle
Strong's Greek or
THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON, Electronic Database.
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All rights reserved. Used by permission.
Daniel 2:20 and said: “Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;.. wisdom and power are His. He changes times and seasons; He deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [602 αποκάλυψη revelation, disclosure] apocalypse, exposure,revelation; one who proclaims a calling [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia] Advent." 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Strong's Greek: 3952 παρουσιασ (parousia) appearance, presence, attendance, substance, property,
contribution; being physically present ΜΕ: via OFr. from L. praesentia ‘being at hand’, from praeesse; coming, Advent; Ev.Matt.24.27 2:1; James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4; Χριστοῦ, 2 Peter 1:16; αὐτοῦ, 1 Corinthians 15:23;
Romans 8:19; τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, of the glory clothed with which he will return from heaven, 1 Peter 4:13; of this return itself the phrase is used, THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON, Electronic Database.
Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2006, 2011 by Biblesoft, Inc.
All rights reserved. Used by permission.

 

[keras]

But the teachings of the rapture was first taught by Jesus. Yes, Jesus!
Jesus gave two parables in the Olivet Discourse; first parable on the second coming (Matthew 24:3-31, Mark 13:4-27, Luke 21:7-28) and the second parable He gave was on the rapture (Matthew 24:32-51, Mark 13:28-37, Luke 21:29-38).

You have absolutely no idea how wrong you are if you think Jesus is not Christian.
And Keras is equally lost concerning the rapture for with his agree rating.

What Jesus did clearly teach was: No one goes to Heaven, except the One who came from heaven. John 3:13 Plus John 17:5, John 8:21-22, Revelation 5:10
Jesus is our Mediator, our High Priest and all who follow Him are Christians. The consist of people from every tribe [of Israel] every race, nation and language. Those people who refuse to accept Him are the ones who are lost. Judgement is coming and it will begin in My house. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9

 

[diane.]

Greetings.
Not to interrupt or bring to an end all the fine discussion and debate you are having, but we are having a bit of an interesting dialogue in another thread on the subject of 'speaking in tongues', where I myself give a sample of 'utterance' via a secular radio station. I invite you all to join us on the subject: here

 

[he-man]

What Jesus did clearly teach was: No one goes to Heaven, except the One who came from heaven. John 3:13 Plus John 17:5, John 8:21-22, Revelation 5:10
Jesus is our Mediator, our High Priest and all who follow Him are Christians. The consist of people from every tribe [of Israel] every race, nation and language. Those people who refuse to accept Him are the ones who are lost. Judgement is coming and it will begin in My house. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9

AMEN!

 

[Psalm3704]

What Jesus did clearly teach was: No one goes to Heaven, except the One who came from heaven. John 3:13 Plus John 17:5, John 8:21-22, Revelation 5:10

Well Keras, once again you managed to make a fool of yourself while at the same time make me laugh showing us how deep in the dark you are.

2 Kings 2:1 New King James Version (NKJV)
And it came to pass, when the Lord was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

2 Kings 2:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Genesis 5:24 New King James Version (NKJV)
And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

Revelation 4:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” 2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.​

And no Keras, John 3:13 is not what you think Jesus meant. If you can make the connection between Acts 1:11, John 20:17 and Matthew 27:50, you will realize how deep your head is buried in the sand about no one going to heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Luke 23:43 New King James Version (NKJV)
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Matthew 27:50-53 New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.​

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