Are we in the last of the last days?

[Major1]

The commun point of the description in Revelation of the Babylon system and the city of Babylon during the tribulation is this:

Revelation 17:6
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Revelation 18:24
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

But that my friend is once again only achieved by taking verses out of their context.

17:6 describes the "bloodthirstiness" of this harlot. This OLD System from Babylon is going to be IMO a conglomeration of religions that come together AFTER the Rapture. This Babylon will be a composite religious system.

18:24 must be taken along with 18:21......:"And a might angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it IN TO THE SEA, Thus with violence shall THAT GREAT CITY BABYLON be thrown down and shall be found no more at all".

It is IMO impossible not to see that there are TWO Bablylons in view.

 

[Riberra]

But that my friend is once again only achieved by taking verses out of their context.

17:6 describes the "bloodthirstiness" of this harlot.

The harlot is described in the OLD TESTAMENT as being ISRAEL

Jeremiah 3:6-9
Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, "Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. "I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. "And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.
"Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.


Jeremiah 5:7
"Why should I pardon you? Your sons have forsaken Me And sworn by those who are not gods When I had fed them to the full, They committed adultery And trooped to the harlot's house.

Isaiah 1:21
How the faithful city has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers.

 

[Major1]

The harlot is described in the OLD TESTAMENT as being ISRAEL

Jeremiah 3:6-9
Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, "Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. "I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. "And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.
"Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.


Jeremiah 5:7
"Why should I pardon you? Your sons have forsaken Me And sworn by those who are not gods When I had fed them to the full, They committed adultery And trooped to the harlot's house.

Isaiah 1:21
How the faithful city has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers.

Excellent point and thanks for asking. I am glad to respond to your point.

The correct and proper exegesis of Jeremiah 3 really is very obvious. Yes, God calls her a "harlot".
Now Rahab was called a "harlot" as well. Is she also the Harlot of rev. 17 or 18????

I John says that there are many anti-christs in the world today. Does that mean that the A/C was alive when John wrote those words????

Of course not because it is obvious that God called Israel a harlot because she committed spiritual adultery. Because Jeremiah says she "played the harlot" in no way means that Israel is the harlot Babylon in Rev. 17 & 18.

As for Isaiah 1:21, once again you are just looking through Scriptures for a WORD and then applying to your agenda instead of doing the work to see what the context is all about.

Honestly my friend, this is a really very poor way to try and make something work which does not apply at all.

"SYMBOLISM" is the idea of prostitution as representing apostasy from Jehovah was involved in the thought that Israel was the bride whom He had wooed and won. The imagery was made more impressive by the fact that actual prostitution entered so largely into the ritual of many of the forms of idolatry to which the Israelites were tempted by.

When anyone looks back and reads what happened and why Jeremiah said that is because Judah faked her repentance. Read 2 Kings 23:25 for verification to see that the people only complied outwardly and God said that He would removed Israel so He would remove Judah from the land in 2 Kings 23:27.

 

[Riberra]

Excellent point and thanks for asking. I am glad to respond to your point.

The correct and proper exegesis of Jeremiah 3 really is very obvious. Yes, God calls her a "harlot".
Now Rahab was called a "harlot" as well. Is she also the Harlot of rev. 17 or 18????

I John says that there are many anti-christs in the world today. Does that mean that the A/C was alive when John wrote those words????

The many anti-christs and the spirit of antichrist [already at work] refers to all those [including the Jews]who deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Of course not because it is obvious that God called Israel a harlot because she committed spiritual adultery.

-spiritual adultery- like making idols of stone and of wood and bow to Moloch the ancient Babylonian God [Jeremiah 3:6-9]

Because Jeremiah says she "played the harlot" in no way means that Israel is the harlot Babylon in Rev. 17 & 18.

That is GOD saying to Jeremiah that Israel have become a harlot and because of that God have divorced from Israel...

Jeremiah 3:6-9
Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, "Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. "I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. "And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce,

There must be a serious reason explaining why Jesus compare the Jerusalem of the END TIMES to Sodom and Egypt in[Revelation 11:7-8]

Revelation 11

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Psalm3704]

The Rapture A Popular but False Doctrine. Revelation 20:4 ...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That's not the rapture nor is it a verse on the rapture. This is another evidence why you can't see a rapture in the bible or understand what the rapture is.

So you think it is After the second coming of Christ? Funny, but the Bible does not use the word, "RAPTURE" !

rapture

Origin and Etymology of rapture
Latin raptus

First Known Use: 1594 MERRIAM-WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY

You don't need to have the word rapture in the bible to know the doctrine is taught in the bible.

If you can't find the rapture in the bible, it's most likely because you're looking for the word.







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[he-man]

You don't need to have the word rapture in the bible to know the doctrine is taught in the bible.

First Known Use: 1594 MERRIAM-WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY
I guess everyone before 1594 was ignorant and since it is not in the Bible, where did it come from?
Revelation 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
And where was he crucified?
Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together

 

[Major1]

The many anti-christs and the spirit of antichrist [already at work] refers to all those [including the Jews]who deny that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


-spiritual adultery- like making idols of stone and of wood and bow to Moloch the ancient Babylonian God [Jeremiah 3:6-9]


That is GOD saying to Jeremiah that Israel have become a harlot and because of that God have divorced from Israel...

Jeremiah 3:6-9
Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, "Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there. "I thought, 'After she has done all these things she will return to Me'; but she did not return, and her treacherous sister Judah saw it. "And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce,

There must be a serious reason explaining why Jesus compare the Jerusalem of the END TIMES to Sodom and Egypt in[Revelation 11:7-8]

Revelation 11

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

All you are doing is picking out "WORDS" found in Scriptures and using them to support your opinions.

That is the worst thing anyone can do. YOU will never ever understand the Word of God or have correct Bible theology doing what you are doing my friend.

Of course there are many A/C in the world, but not all of them are THE A/C. I said that to show YOU how far off your thinking is. It was called "Sarcasm".

God calls Israel a "harlot" many, many times because she committed spiritual adultery over and over and over. She prostituted herself to idolatry and sin. Idolatry is more than the worhsip of a man made idol my friend.

The reason why John uses the phrase "Sodom and Egypt" to identify Jerusalem in Rev. 11 is simply because the world had entered into every fiber of its existence, socially and politically.

There is no possible way to make Israel the harlot of Babylon as seen in Revelation 17 & 18 based on any Bible Scriptures. You are making a mockery of the "CONTEXTUAL" doctrine of correct Bible study.

I hope that you are doing it out of ignorance instead of a planned agenda of personal opinions.

 

[Major1]

First Known Use: 1594 MERRIAM-WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY
I guess everyone before 1594 was ignorant and since it is not in the Bible, where did it come from?
Revelation 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
And where was he crucified?
Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together

First of all, I am pleased to read YOUR words and not those of Herbert Armstrong.

Wrong! 1st known use is found in 1 Thessoloians 4:17..........
"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. herefore comfort one another with these words."

The resurrection of the two witnesses in the City of Jerusalem IS NOT THE RAPTURE. It is the resurrection of TWO men who did the work of God. The reason it was Jerusalem is because that is where they will be preaching from for 3 1/2 years.

 

[he-man]

In 1 Thes. 4:17 the English phrase "caught up" translates from the Greek word harpazo, which means "to seize upon with force" or "to snatch up." This word is used 14 times in the Greek New Testament in a variety of ways.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40[b[ But Philip was found at Azotus: [/b]and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. John 10:28 [G726. harpazó ἁρπάσει] to rescue from the danger of destruction

This usage is that of God"s Spirit carrying someone away. We see this usage illustrated in Acts 8:39 where Philip, upon completion of the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch, is raptured or "caught up" and divinely transported from the desert to the coastal town of Azotus.

40[b[ But Philip was found alive preaching at Azotus: [/b]So you think that the Rapture will occur at Azotus? Sorry, but....
21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And
But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.

The Bible neither states the Word..........Trinity. Do you accept the doctrine of the Trinity?.

No, do you believe in fables?
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I" (id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).

Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…" Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"

The word BIBLE is not found in the Bible. Do you accept the written Word of God as the Bible.

Huh? Strong's Concordance
biblos: (the inner) bark (of a papyrus plant), hence a scroll, spec. a book
Original Word: βίβλος, ου, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: biblos
Phonetic Spelling: (bib'-los)

 

[Major1]

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40[b[ But Philip was found at Azotus: [/b]and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. John 10:28 [G726. harpazó ἁρπάσει] to rescue from the danger of destruction 40[b[ But Philip was found alive preaching at Azotus: [/b]So you think that the Rapture will occur at Azotus? Sorry, but....
21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And
But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap.
No, do you believe in fables?
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I" (id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).

Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…" Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
Huh? Strong's Concordance
biblos: (the inner) bark (of a papyrus plant), hence a scroll, spec. a book
Original Word: βίβλος, ου, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: biblos
Phonetic Spelling: (bib'-los)

I really do not know what you are trying to say. Can you just post plain straight forward comments and get away from the ambiguous comments.

You went around behind a tree to give your response, but actually you are saying that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY.

Do I believe in fables? Of Course I do.
Do you accept that they were written with animals mostly in view trying to give a story about morality?

Have you read George Orwell's "Animal Farm" and the story from the old Major????

Now what has that got to do with Bible exegesis and Scriptural truth?

 

[Riberra]

All you are doing is picking out "WORDS" found in Scriptures and using them to support your opinions.

That is the worst thing anyone can do. YOU will never ever understand the Word of God or have correct Bible theology doing what you are doing my friend.

Of course there are many A/C in the world, but not all of them are THE A/C. I said that to show YOU how far off your thinking is. It was called "Sarcasm".

Where did i said that all of them are the AC ?The AC/Man of Sin/ the Son of Perdition is the BEAST who will come out of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 11:8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the BEAST that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

God calls Israel a "harlot" many, many times because she committed spiritual adultery over and over and over. She prostituted herself to idolatry and sin. Idolatry is more than the worhsip of a man made idol my friend.

The hexagram on the flag of the State of Israel and the use of the Babylonian Talmud as their sacred text of Judaism reveal far more things that you can imagine.
Link:
The Star Of David Deception

The reason why John uses the phrase "Sodom and Egypt" to identify Jerusalem in Rev. 11 is simply because the world had entered into every fiber of its existence, socially and politically.

The Great City called [Sodom and Egypt] refers to the Jerusalem of the End Times.

There is no possible way to make Israel the harlot of Babylon as seen in Revelation 17 & 18 based on any Bible Scriptures. You are making a mockery of the "CONTEXTUAL" doctrine of correct Bible study.

I hope that you are doing it out of ignorance instead of a planned agenda of personal opinions.

The Great City called [Sodom and Egypt] which we know refers to the Jerusalem of the End Times mentioned in Revelation 11:7-8 is also the Great City called Babylon who will be destroyed Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. .

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

 

[Major1]

Where did i said that all of them are the AC ?The AC/Man of Sin/ the Son of Perdition is the BEAST who will come out of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 11:8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the BEAST that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


The hexagram on the flag of the State of Israel and the use of the Babylonian Talmud as their sacred text of Judaism reveal far more things that you can imagine.
Link:
The Star Of David Deception

The Great City called [Sodom and Egypt] refers to the Jerusalem of the End Times.


The Great City called [Sodom and Egypt] which we know refers to the Jerusalem of the End Times mentioned in Revelation 11:7-8 is also the Great City called Babylon who will be destroyed Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. .

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Do you have a point to make? What then is it?

 

[Riberra]

Do you have a point to make? What then is it?

Thanks for asking.
Revelation 11:7-8...
Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 refers to the Israel and Jerusalem of the End times.

The HEXAGRAM on their flag emblem and the use of the Babylonian Talmud as their sacred text of Judaism reveal that the APOSTATE STATE of Israel founded in 1948 who deny that Jesus is the Christ ,will fullfill the prophecy about the MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The Star Of David Deception

 

[Major1]

Thanks for asking.
Revelation 11:7-8...
Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 refers to the Israel and Jerusalem of the End times.

The HEXAGRAM on their flag emblem and the use of the Babylonian Talmud as their sacred text of Judaism reveal that the APOSTATE STATE of Israel founded in 1948 who deny that Jesus is the Christ ,will fullfill the prophecy about the MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The Star Of David Deception

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

NOPE! You are still wrong!!!!!

Rev. 17 is about a SYSTEM of false religion.
Rev. 18 is about the destruction of a city and IMO it is NOT Jerusalem.

The city in chapter 18 is completely destroyed....in ONE hour. Is there a verse in Scripture with will validate your opinion?

Not only that but if Jesus is sitting on the Throne of David......that is in Jerusalem's temple.

According to you, it is Jerusalem. How can that be when Rev. 18 clearly says that the city will be totally destroyed.

 

[Riberra]

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

NOPE! You are still wrong!!!!!

Rev. 17 is about a SYSTEM of false religion.
Rev. 18 is about the destruction of a city and IMO it is NOT Jerusalem.

According to you, it is Jerusalem. How can that be when Rev. 18 clearly says that the city will be totally destroyed.

The city in chapter 18 is completely destroyed....in ONE hour. Is there a verse in Scripture with will validate your opinion?

Yes,
Of course the city will be destroyed, to avenge the blood of the apostles and the blood of the prophets
Revelation 18:19-20
19 ....for in one hour is she made desolate.
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you...

Not only that but if Jesus is sitting on the Throne of David......that is in Jerusalem's temple.

Actually Jesus is sitting on the throne of David in Heaven.

 

[Psalm3704]

First Known Use: 1594 MERRIAM-WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY
I guess everyone before 1594 was ignorant and since it is not in the Bible, where did it come from?

I can tell you for a fact the doctrine and teaching of the rapture didn't come from the Merriam-Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

Revelation 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
And where was he crucified?
Luke 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together

It's called the Rapture of the Church, not the rapture of the two witnesses. You also need to figure out the differences between the rapture and a resurrection. The rapture is a one time event involving many many Christians. There are multiple resurrections still ahead.










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[he-man]

I can tell you for a fact the doctrine and teaching of the rapture didn't come from the Merriam-Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

That is right, but it did not come from the Bible, it came from Jews who were not Christians and has prevailed even up to now as a false doctrine
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse:2Co 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients
The Adam Clarke Commentary.

It's called the Rapture of the Church, not the rapture of the two witnesses. You also need to figure out the differences between the rapture and a resurrection. The rapture is a one time event involving many many Christians. There are multiple resurrections still ahead.

'10 Irrefutable Proofs' Number 1. "THE RAPTURE IS THE 'BLESSED HOPE' WHILE THE SECOND COMING IS A DAY TO BE GREATLY FEARED" ... They separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they fail to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple, logical truth.

Number 2. "IN THE RAPTURE, JESUS COMES FOR HIS CHURCH, AT HIS SECOND COMING HE BRINGS THE CHURCH WITH HIM" ... They say that Jesus takes His church way in the rapture, quoting 1 Thess. 4:16-17. And then Jesus comes back with the church at the second coming, quoting Revelation 19:14, which says 'the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses.". But what they fail to realize is that the 'armies' whom Jesus returns with are His angels, as Matthew 25:31 confirms, not the church.

"But what about 1 Thessalonians 4:14, where it says that those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him? This surely is talking about the church coming back from heaven after the rapture with Jesus at His physical return?" Those who believe in a rapture say that the Greek word "parousia" refers to the secret coming of Jesus with the rapturing of the church and that the Greek word "apokalupsis" refers to the visible glorious coming of Jesus in power seven years later. So they believe from these Greek words that Christ will return in two phases, separated by the 7 year tribulation. Well, we have already proven from the Bible that there is no separation between the church and the wicked until the END OF THE WORLD. But let's take a look at "parousia" and "apokalupsis", and what we will show you is that BOTH are used to describe the SAME second coming, not two comings.-So, No it's not. Rapture adherents love this verse, but they completely miss the context of what is being said here. Look at both vs. 13 and 14. Paul is clearly talking about those who are asleep in Christ, ie, those who are in their graves waiting for His return. And what does Paul say to give encouragement concerning those who have died? He says that just as God raised Jesus from the dead, so He will bring with Jesus those who sleep in Him. In other words, those who have died, God will raise them from the dead, just like He rose Jesus from the dead.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
Please understand that VITAL point. The rapture theory teaches a separation BEFORE the end. But the Bible clearly teaches that there is NO separation before the end.
This also proves the mid-tribulation rapture teaching to be false
But Paul then shows that this "parousia" will destroy the man of sin; the Antichrist ... "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia]." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. So we have a problem. Paul is saying that it is DURING the "parousia" of Christ that the man of sin will be destroyed. And yet those who hold to the rapture teaching say that the man of sin will reign AFTER the "parousia". And will not be destroyed until the physical "apokalupsis" coming of Christ.
"Apokalupsis" [revelation] is also used in a way that indicates it is NOT a separate coming from the time the believers are gathered up. Peter said in 1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" Now why would Christians be exhorted to continue hoping to the end of the world for the grace brought through the revelation of Jesus Christ if their real hope was a rapture seven years before the revelation? Do you see the problems with this teaching? I hope so. But What About One Taken and One Left Behind?
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle




Is the Rapture in the Bible? Biblical Truth or False?

 

[he-man]

I really do not know what you are trying to say. Can you just post plain straight forward comments and get away from the ambiguous comments.
Now what has that got to do with Bible exegesis and Scriptural truth?

Plain and simple
Strong's Concordance
biblos: (the inner) bark (of a papyrus plant), hence a scroll, spec. a book
Original Word: βίβλος, ου, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: biblos
Phonetic Spelling: (bib'-los) AND....
Those who falsely believe the rapture separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they fail to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple, logical truth.

Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse:2Co 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients
The Adam Clarke Commentary.

 

[Major1]

That is right, but it did not come from the Bible, it came from Jews who were not Christians and has prevailed even up to now as a false doctrine
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse:2Co 4:4 But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients
The Adam Clarke Commentary. '10 Irrefutable Proofs' Number 1. "THE RAPTURE IS THE 'BLESSED HOPE' WHILE THE SECOND COMING IS A DAY TO BE GREATLY FEARED" ... They separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they fail to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple, logical truth.

Number 2. "IN THE RAPTURE, JESUS COMES FOR HIS CHURCH, AT HIS SECOND COMING HE BRINGS THE CHURCH WITH HIM" ... They say that Jesus takes His church way in the rapture, quoting 1 Thess. 4:16-17. And then Jesus comes back with the church at the second coming, quoting Revelation 19:14, which says 'the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses.". But what they fail to realize is that the 'armies' whom Jesus returns with are His angels, as Matthew 25:31 confirms, not the church.

"But what about 1 Thessalonians 4:14, where it says that those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him? This surely is talking about the church coming back from heaven after the rapture with Jesus at His physical return?" Those who believe in a rapture say that the Greek word "parousia" refers to the secret coming of Jesus with the rapturing of the church and that the Greek word "apokalupsis" refers to the visible glorious coming of Jesus in power seven years later. So they believe from these Greek words that Christ will return in two phases, separated by the 7 year tribulation. Well, we have already proven from the Bible that there is no separation between the church and the wicked until the END OF THE WORLD. But let's take a look at "parousia" and "apokalupsis", and what we will show you is that BOTH are used to describe the SAME second coming, not two comings.-So, No it's not. Rapture adherents love this verse, but they completely miss the context of what is being said here. Look at both vs. 13 and 14. Paul is clearly talking about those who are asleep in Christ, ie, those who are in their graves waiting for His return. And what does Paul say to give encouragement concerning those who have died? He says that just as God raised Jesus from the dead, so He will bring with Jesus those who sleep in Him. In other words, those who have died, God will raise them from the dead, just like He rose Jesus from the dead.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
Please understand that VITAL point. The rapture theory teaches a separation BEFORE the end. But the Bible clearly teaches that there is NO separation before the end.
This also proves the mid-tribulation rapture teaching to be false
But Paul then shows that this "parousia" will destroy the man of sin; the Antichrist ... "whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [parousia]." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. So we have a problem. Paul is saying that it is DURING the "parousia" of Christ that the man of sin will be destroyed. And yet those who hold to the rapture teaching say that the man of sin will reign AFTER the "parousia". And will not be destroyed until the physical "apokalupsis" coming of Christ.
"Apokalupsis" [revelation] is also used in a way that indicates it is NOT a separate coming from the time the believers are gathered up. Peter said in 1 Peter 1:13 ..."be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation [apokalupsis] of Jesus Christ;" Now why would Christians be exhorted to continue hoping to the end of the world for the grace brought through the revelation of Jesus Christ if their real hope was a rapture seven years before the revelation? Do you see the problems with this teaching? I hope so. But What About One Taken and One Left Behind?
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.' And where was he crucified? G105 αετόςαετών αετοί eagle, compare [4421] [2206 ζέση] not a Kite a small predatory bird belonging to the hawk family, Διὸςπτηνὸςκύων, of the eagle, A.Pr.1022, cf. Ag.136 (lyr.), S.Fr.884 πτηνὸς eagle




Is the Rapture in the Bible? Biblical Truth or False?

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Is the Rapture in the Bible? Biblical Truth or False?

This is a Seventh Day Adventist teaching.

"he-man". Do you have any original thoughts or theology or are you going to just keep parroting the thoughts and teachings of these other people, some of whom are from a known CULT which was totally defrocked?

 

[parousia70]

The city in chapter 18 is completely destroyed....in ONE hour.

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

Sounds like John proclaimed that "one hour" was underway when he wrote.

The Great City called [Sodom and Egypt] which we know refers to the Jerusalem of the End Times mentioned in Revelation 11:7-8 is also the Great City called Babylon who will be destroyed Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. .

Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Correct.
There is no other City that could possibly be the City where the Blood of the Prophets can be found:

Nevertheless I must journey today, tomorrow, and the day following; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem. (Luke 13:33)