Are These Mystic Practices OK?

[gratefulgrace]

Hello BloodBought09, please if I can ask of you: what caused or how did this realization of these things come upon you?

Me and my wife seperated after 25 years of marriage because of her involvment in these type of spiritual practices. I would really like to know what the process or mindset was that brought this process on within you. Was there something in particular (oe event) that brought great conviction within you. I would really like to hear more about how that happened (or what caused it to happen). I am hoping the same thing will happen for my wife.

She is caught up in many "new age" practices even though she professes to be a christian. She has alot of this stuff confused with being of God even.

Please I would ask of you for some understanding in how you came to realize these practices were not for you as a christian, and how you were set free from them. Did this involve other christians at all?

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Yes there is alot of confusion about these things even evidenced on this particular thread. I will pray that your wifes time of deception will be broken and that Jesus will shine the light of HIS TRUTH into her situation and deliver her. gg

 

[Test All Things2]

Thank You for the heartfelt prayers. There is no greater thing we can do for someone when they are being spiritually deceived by the enemy. The prayers of a righteous person "availth much." I enlist all the prayers I can...esecially from strong christians. You will know in that day all the good (and help) you have done. God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ.

When I went through my spiritual battle 25 plus years ago...I can still remember how I could not escape from that feeling that God himself was trying to reach me and help me. The conviction was equally unescapable. At one point I even saw (and felt) God speaking through a christian sister directly towards me. I was made aware (in a spirit of love) that alot of my problems then were spiritual and of my own doings.

Due to the love of that christian sister she got me to the place where I did encounter Jesus, and I gave up in surrender to him. My life has never been the same, and has been a different life because of him who died for my sins. My sister in Christ did use a little "tough love" (she almost literally dragged me to church), but it only took that one time.

I am sure her "prayers" probably played a huge part in all that happened when I finally got there (church). God bless her where ever she is today. She played a huge part in getting me saved, and I will never forget her for it. I ask God to bless her richly for her service to him.

I think a similar scenario is playing out with my wife right now. I just do not know how long that may take. I hope it is before the return of our Saviour.

 

[bloodbought09]

Hello BloodBought09, please if I can ask of you: what caused or how did this realization of these things come upon you?

Me and my wife seperated after 25 years of marriage because of her involvment in these type of spiritual practices. I would really like to know what the process or mindset was that brought this process on within you. Was there something in particular (oe event) that brought great conviction within you. I would really like to hear more about how that happened (or what caused it to happen). I am hoping the same thing will happen for my wife.

She is caught up in many "new age" practices even though she professes to be a christian. She has alot of this stuff confused with being of God even.

Please I would ask of you for some understanding in how you came to realize these practices were not for you as a christian, and how you were set free from them. Did this involve other christians at all?

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

I started reading the word of God from the old testament. At first I did not want to read about Jesus and the gospels, because it kind of frightened me. I read about Daniel interpreting dreams for the king because the wizards and astrologers could not give the king the dream and the meaning, but Daniel was a righteous man and he said that God would give it and the meaning. I was into dream interpretation. When I gave all these things up, accepted Jesus Christ, gained the comforter and counselor, the Holy Spirit, I started having real dreams and visions and not just spirits of divination or regular dreams. I read about Saul consulting a medium to bring up Samuel from the dead and how Samuel rebuked him. In the laws, it goes to say that we are not to do these practices as the other nations around us do. Psychics, mediums, sorcerers, wizards, hypnotists, and the like are not of God.

People need to realize that just because something from the east is given a prefix as Christian does not mean it is Christian. It is just a seducing spirit based religious practice with a new wrapping. It is like the devil trying to get those who know witchcraft is wrong, naming it black and white magic. They are from the same land down under, from the same source, but even the devil knows how to mascerade as an angel of light, and so do his ministers.

I really have seeked God and at different times he has given me a sign about things I ask about. He warned me years ago about "other gospels" in Galatians, with a vision of this word in a rectangular border. When I was asking about the different addictions and sins I was into, He gave me a vision of Ephesians in a rectangular box with fire around it. This was about 7 years ago.

I have had problems with my ex-wife bringing stuff to my attention to watch or listen to. One was "the secret". I discerned that none of the people in this video would not say that Jesus Christ is Lord, or even give any credit to Him. I told my ex-wife I could not listen to anymore of it. She has since asked me advice about different things, such as Mormons, which she as a registered reverend married a Mormon couple, but I was able to shed some light on these people.

I just recently took my aunt in and she has had a psychic she was talking to. I gave her the advice to tell the woman goodbye, that she will not need her services anymore. She did as I suggested. God gave her visions, revelations, has spoken to her a couple of times, and signs to keep her on track. I told her "See, you don't need any psychic's gift from the devil, God will give you your own spiritual gifts." God does not despise a broken and contrite spirit. Hope this blesses you.

One thing I will ask is this: What kind of fellowship does the wife have? She must be in fellowship with those who would not expose her to the truth about these practices or no felloship at all.

 

[bloodbought09]

Well said. I do however believe that Satan does ensnare us and as unregenerate souls we have minimal power to discern his schemes. Even with God's Spirit in our lives we can actively chose wrong but we do not need to. We are free and have the power to say as Christ did "Get thee behind me satan". How awesome He is to bring us into live that overflows with goodness and peace and joy.
gg

Amos 5:14-15

14. Seek good and not evil, That you may live; So the Lord God of hosts will be with you, As you have spoken.
15. Hate evil, love good........

Psalm 119:104 Through your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate "every" false way.

Psalm 97:10 You who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.

Don't mean to preach at you. Gotta love the word.

 

[Test All Things2]

bloodbought09, my wife has been living a sort of dual life for many years. Going to a good non-denominational church every week (and bible studies), but at the same time has been practicing (actually teaching) Tai Chi, Qi Gong 2 times a week also. She has had to go underground to some extent about some of the other stuff because she knows I think those practices are not proper for a christian to pursue.

We almost divorced about this stuff 4 1/2 years ago. Went to marriage counseling for 2 1/2 years and was not able to resolve these issues other than leaving it to God and her own conscience. She does not see any danger in these things what so ever. She even confuses kundalini as being from God or the Holy Spirit somehow. That really upsets me in my spirit to find her beliefs that askew.

We just seperated this last week finally. The difference in our beliefs did come to a crossroads, and she chose to abandon a 25 year marriage so she can pursue her practices without prejudice from me her husband. She told me if the choice is between you and Tai Chi she was taking Tai Chi. So it is done now, and she has divided our property and moved away.

Yoga was one of her secret practices she would not admit to doing. However she had many books, audio CD's and DVD's about how to do Yoga. But she maintained that she did not do it. I found numerous items that indicated she was into that and other types of "new age" practices as well like shamanism, mandalas, meditation, dream interpretation and astral travel, tibetan singing bowls, numerology, sacred geometry (whatever that is) just to name some of the stuff.

Whatever that stuff is, in my belief it is wrong for a christian to have any thing to do with that type of spiritual adultery. If I read Deuteronomy CH 18 it spells it out very plainly that our God finds this kind of thing repugnant and abominable.

 

[bloodbought09]

bloodbought09, my wife has been living a sort of dual life for many years. Going to a good non-denominational church every week (and bible studies), but at the same time has been practicing (actually teaching) Tai Chi, Qi Gong 2 times a week also. She has had to go underground to some extent about some of the other stuff because she knows I think those practices are not proper for a christian to pursue.

We almost divorced about this stuff 4 1/2 years ago. Went to marriage counseling for 2 1/2 years and was not able to resolve these issues other than leaving it to God and her own conscience. She does not see any danger in these things what so ever. She even confuses kundalini as being from God or the Holy Spirit somehow. That really upsets me in my spirit to find her beliefs that askew.

We just seperated this last week finally. The difference in our beliefs did come to a crossroads, and she chose to abandon a 25 year marriage so she can pursue her practices without prejudice from me her husband. She told me if the choice is between you and Tai Chi she was taking Tai Chi. So it is done now, and she has divided our property and moved away.

Yoga was one of her secret practices she would not admit to doing. However she had many books, audio CD's and DVD's about how to do Yoga. But she maintained that she did not do it. I found numerous items that indicated she was into that and other types of "new age" practices as well like shamanism, mandalas, meditation, dream interpretation and astral travel, tibetan singing bowls, numerology, sacred geometry (whatever that is) just to name some of the stuff.

Whatever that stuff is, in my belief it is wrong for a christian to have any thing to do with that type of spiritual adultery. If I read Deuteronomy CH 18 it spells it out very plainly that our God finds this kind of thing repugnant and abominable.

She is quite deceived. I am sorry it could not work out, but she has chosen the devil over you and Jesus Christ. You are right, that is all spiritual fornication. I hope that she does not end up exposing many other naive Christian people to these practices, especially kundalini. Alot of people do not research these manifestations in their churches. It is very dangerous, that is why it is important to seek the giver of gifts and not the gift. There are counterfeits. With Jesus Christ we can avoid many of these downfalls. I cannot believe anyone would want to allow themselves to be deceived, knowing the countless others that will be going to hell with them. If people knew that they were delivering their friends and loved ones to the pit, they might not do the things they do. Again I am sorry that you lost your wife over this. I know what it is like to lose a wife, but my case was a mutual mistake. It is nice to be married to Jesus Christ as the bride though. Would not exchange that for anything. Bless.

 

[Test All Things2]

bloodbought09,

The reason we actually seperated was because she was inviting christian brothers and sisters to join her in her practice of Tai Chi and Qi Gong. I spoke out to my brother in Christ and was trying to make him aware of the spiritual nature of these practices and how they were not for discerning christians. My wife said that was the last straw for her, and she abandoned our marriage of 25 years. All because I spoke with my christian brother in oppostion to her spiritual practices.

 

[bloodbought09]

Brother, you are right to not make the same mistake that Adam made in the garden. Eve took of the "forbidden fruit" and gave to Adam. Like I have, and you here, you have done right to not accept it. Your wife is in open rebellion to the word of God, that you are submitted to the Lord and she is to submit to you. The bible says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. She is going to reap what she has sown and it may not look to pretty, but hopefully she repents and comes to herself and to God. Stay strong for when she returns, because she may go through quite a bit of stuff to break her of this stuff, if God does indeed bring the sword against her for her disobedience, as in Deuteronomy 28:1-68. But love hopes all things, so we must hope that she will hear the truth and respond in obedience. Bless.

 

[Test All Things2]

We serve a Holy God, and are likewise called to be seperate from the paganism of the world. That is what tripped up the Jews many times. This is a common scenario though these days. Even churches are adopting all kinds of these pagan practices and legitimizing them. Emergent church is a fine example. Our God has a name of "Jealous" when it comes to this kind of spiritual adultery against him. He is coming soon.

 

[dugger]

We serve a Holy God, and are likewise called to be seperate from the paganism of the world. That is what tripped up the Jews many times. This is a common scenario though these days. Even churches are adopting all kinds of these pagan practices and legitimizing them. Emergent church is a fine example. Our God has a name of "Jealous" when it comes to this kind of spiritual adultery against him. He is coming soon.

One of the first of these pagan practices was to meet on the first day, "the sun day" instead of the last day God's Holy Sabbath. Folk can say what they want to legitimize this practice as well, but this "Jealousy" and spiritual adultery does not go unnoticed. The sun day was Baal's day. And God HATES Baal worship.

Google the "sunday laws" and see what really happened. The reason we bring this up in this thread is that the fundamentalist should recognize what happened. You don't have to believe like the sda or jews or legalists to acknowledge the Sabbath...

 

[bloodbought09]

I am so blessed to have a computer and youtube. I research everyone people talk about. Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Todd Bentley. I have found with these people just to suggest people do not put their trust in man, but Jesus Christ. I have felt bad because without knowing I will tell a brother "No, he is full of it" and don't know why I say it and then I find out I am right.

 

[Test All Things2]

When you mention some of "them" I wonder why do people follow them? How could people be so easily lead by people like these?

 

[nChrist]

When you mention some of "them" I wonder why do people follow them? How could people be so easily lead by people like these?

I think this is a great question that deserves discussion. We should all know that most people are easy to deceive because every last one of us has been deceived many times in our lives. Some of the deceptions happened during difficult times in our lives or times when we were searching for "who we are". I think we were more ripe for deception when we were without Christ or we were weak in Christ. In hind sight, we should have been spending our energy in growing strong in Christ. The stronger we are in Christ - the less we are likely to be deceived.

Those who looked for themselves in Christ and building from there are very fortunate people. However, make no mistake that all of us have been deceived many times. We live in times where we are almost continually assaulted with unhealthy and/or unholy things. We get desensitized to wrong and evil a little bit at a time. Much of the assault is our fault for allowing these things into our homes and lives. We don't have total control over what we and our families are assaulted by, but we do have many controls that aren't exercised in the way that we know should be right. We give in a little bit here and there until we have given in a lot. There is no irony that many of these things we give in to make our lives more difficult or even miserable. Again - in hind sight - we would have been better off to say NO for ourselves and our families.

So, where are the real answers, and where is the real joy? As Christians, don't we already know? Our real answers and joy are in Jesus Christ. The stronger we become in Christ - the better off we will be in every facet of our lives. Jesus Christ can do much more for us than just Save us.

 

[bloodbought09]

I think this is a great question that deserves discussion. We should all know that most people are easy to deceive because every last one of us has been deceived many times in our lives. Some of the deceptions happened during difficult times in our lives or times when we were searching for "who we are". I think we were more ripe for deception when we were without Christ or we were weak in Christ. In hind sight, we should have been spending our energy in growing strong in Christ. The stronger we are in Christ - the less we are likely to be deceived.

Those who looked for themselves in Christ and building from there are very fortunate people. However, make no mistake that all of us have been deceived many times. We live in times where we are almost continually assaulted with unhealthy and/or unholy things. We get desensitized to wrong and evil a little bit at a time. Much of the assault is our fault for allowing these things into our homes and lives. We don't have total control over what we and our families are assaulted by, but we do have many controls that aren't exercised in the way that we know should be right. We give in a little bit here and there until we have given in a lot. There is no irony that many of these things we give in to make our lives more difficult or even miserable. Again - in hind sight - we would have been better off to say NO for ourselves and our families.

So, where are the real answers, and where is the real joy? As Christians, don't we already know? Our real answers and joy are in Jesus Christ. The stronger we become in Christ - the better off we will be in every facet of our lives. Jesus Christ can do much more for us than just Save us.

My thoughts exactly. We have to be sure that we know and are following the truth, and we cannot compromise. Lives hang in the balance.

 

[gratefulgrace]

I think this is because we have not been taught that God by His Holy Spirit and His Word will teach us as individuals. I am not advocating that we do not need one another as a body and it is a fine line as we do need teachers. But this is why the scriptures place such high standards on those who teach as many can be lead astray by false teaching. It is good to trust the HS to give you an ok or a check whe we listen to teachers. ESpecially ones that are itinerant types not connected with a fellowship and accountable on a day to day basis. Note that the scripture also talks about how our lives should reflect the truth not just our words. Unfortunately there is a lot of spiritual insecurity in some believers who always assume that others know and experience so much more than they do. And if we are not in the Word ourselves how can we know the truth.

1Jo 2:26These things I have written to you concerning those who [try to] deceive you.

1Jo 2:27But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will [fn] abide in Him.

1Jo 2:28And now, little children, abide in Him, that when [fn] He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.

1Jo 2:29If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

 

[Test All Things2]

I just do not understand under any circumstance how a purported pastor could kick an old woman in the stomach on a stage in front of hundreds or more, and not be arrested? And then have the audacity to claim that the Holy Spirit told him to do that? That really tweaks my mind that people could accept that for what it was being claimed to be. Are we that far away from common decency as a people?

This kind of stuff that is going on in some "christian churches" is in some way more profane (in my oppinion) than the pagan practices we have been discussing up to now in this thread.

Even within my own church I have confronted a few church members who had adopted strange doctrines like unbiblical speaking in tongues (babbling, holy laughter etc)...and claiming you are not born again unless you do (not all get that gift...some do...and some don't).

There is a legitimate of tongues and it is for the edification of the body, is always orderly and interpreted. Enough said about that.

So I think you are hitting at the truth here in regard to not having the knowledge (or the proper relationship that provides that knowledge). Sheep (easily leadable) were a good example of what our master called us. We just have to listen to the right master I guess.

 

[bloodbought09]

I just do not understand under any circumstance how a purported pastor could kick an old woman in the stomach on a stage in front of hundreds or more, and not be arrested? And then have the audacity to claim that the Holy Spirit told him to do that? That really tweaks my mind that people could accept that for what it was being claimed to be. Are we that far away from common decency as a people?

This kind of stuff that is going on in some "christian churches" is in some way more profane (in my oppinion) than the pagan practices we have been discussing up to now in this thread.

Even within my own church I have confronted a few church members who had adopted strange doctrines like unbiblical speaking in tongues (babbling, holy laughter etc)...and claiming you are not born again unless you do (not all get that gift...some do...and some don't).

There is a legitimate of tongues and it is for the edification of the body, is always orderly and interpreted. Enough said about that.

So I think you are hitting at the truth here in regard to not having the knowledge (or the proper relationship that provides that knowledge). Sheep (easily leadable) were a good example of what our master called us. We just have to listen to the right master I guess.

When I was filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, I laughed and was speaking ecstatically, but it did not come out until I was alone in my car. The Holy Spirit laughed through me because the Lord knows the devil's days are numbered. I have prayed for interpretation and have gotten new revelations and insights almost out of thin air. I have also prayed that there would be a distinction in tones. When we start speaking in tongues it may not be audible, but when we practice it the tones are more distinctive. I have heard my pastor who has been doing this for years and he speaks in pure latin or something. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with his help. The reason I know I was ready to receive the gift is because the Holy Spirit started giving me unctions to speak or sing, or would speak to me. One day, out of the blue, I sang a song by Jars of Clay "Lord Jesus teach my soul to pray". Next church service I was called to receive it, so I pressed through the crowd. Noone was going to stop me from receiving what God wanted to give me. And that is it, we must press in to God. We must be like blind Bartimaeus, who said, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me". And as everyone told him he was a full and to shut up, he yelled all the more, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me". Alright, that got me a little excited. Just had to pour out, don't freak out.

As for kicking someone in the stomach, I agree, that guy who we will not name, needs to repent, because he is in some serious trouble at the time of judgment. I will not talk much about him, because that fool starts alot of trouble between my brothers and sisters in here. Holy laughter especially where people slink down like snakes and when the preacher sticks out his tongue like a serpent does not sit well with my spirit as well. I am very passionate when it comes to deception. I hate deception, I love people, I hate sin, and I cannot stand the devil at all! Okay, I'll calm down a bit again. Bless.

 

[bloodbought09]

Numbers 16:30 But if the Lord make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord.

Jude 11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Sometimes I wish the Lord would just do something to put the fear of the Lord in people.

Amos 3:8 A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?

Firey indignation is bitter sweet.

 

[Test All Things2]

I think he is getting ready to do something real soon!

Have you heard about the Jews doing the animal sacrifice at the end of this month? First time in thousands of years. Do you think that is prophetically significant? They have a certified red heifer!

On the subject of mystical practices: this is not a good time to doing things like that. Would you like Jesus to call for the rapture when you were in a lotus postion chanting some *&*&*& ?

Time to get the wedding clothes ready brothers and sisters!

Fill those lamps and trim the wicks!

 

[Rhamiel]

I think he is getting ready to do something real soon!

Have you heard about the Jews doing the animal sacrifice at the end of this month? First time in thousands of years. Do you think that is prophetically significant? They have a certified red heifer!

really now?
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