Are These Mystic Practices OK?

[bloodbought09]

I think he is getting ready to do something real soon!

Have you heard about the Jews doing the animal sacrifice at the end of this month? First time in thousands of years. Do you think that is prophetically significant? They have a certified red heifer!

Foolish, we have a certified sacrificed Lamb. God abhors their sacrifices and would rather have obedience. Just in time to "march".

In my home town we have been having a 7 day 24 hour a day prayer passing the torch each day between 7 churches. One is the methodist church and when they came together, they felt an atmosphere change. They felt the love of God and the fire. That is some revival there. We are starting to really come together as the bride of Christ. For the last two years I have been playing softball in an interchurch league. It is so awesome to pray in public with a different team a week. It has gotten our churches together in one accord. I know the bride of Christ is every born-again Christian, but it is awesome to see the bride manifest.

 

[nChrist]

I think he is getting ready to do something real soon!

Have you heard about the Jews doing the animal sacrifice at the end of this month? First time in thousands of years. Do you think that is prophetically significant? They have a certified red heifer!

On the subject of mystical practices: this is not a good time to doing things like that. Would you like Jesus to call for the rapture when you were in a lotus postion chanting some *&*&*& ?

Time to get the wedding clothes ready brothers and sisters!

Fill those lamps and trim the wicks!

Amen! - Lord come quickly - many anxiously await Your Glorious Appearance. I'm ready - tonight would be just GREAT!

 

[gratefulgrace]

There is lots out there about the red heifer but not sure what is truly legit so won't post any links. gg

 

[nChrist]

Hello Everyone,

Just so everyone will know, Test All Things2 is talking about the Signs of Bible Prophecy yet to be fulfilled. In the same area of interest, the Temple will be rebuilt, and sacrifices will again be made by Israel. We don't know when these things will take place, but they will take place. I hope it's soon because that would also mean the Rapture is drawing near.

Christians, we live in difficult times, but they are also fascinating. The end of this Age of Grace might be drawing near. Regardless of how soon, God made Promises to Israel that will be kept perfectly at His Appointed Time. God made separate and distinct Promises to the Church Which Is The Body of Christ, and they will also be kept perfectly at God's Appointed Time. You can read all about it in God's Word. Please keep in mind a basic fact that the Body of Christ is NOT Israel, and Israel is NOT the Body of Christ.

 

[Test All Things2]

Did you know that when the jews came back from captivity in Babylon they did the animal sacrifice for quite some time "WITHOUT" the temple, and "WITHOUT" the ark of the covenant. They have everything they need to reinstitute the animal sacrifice system right now. Reading of the book of Daniel quotes he (antichrist) stops (or puts an end to) the sacrifice and offering.

"And one who causes desolation will place abominations on a wing (kanap) (which means literally extreme part, corner, hem of a garment, edge, wing of a bird, piece, or quarters) of the temple"

So many people believe the temple has to be rebuilt first, but the temple "DOES NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE REBUILT" for this prophecy to be fulfilled. All that needs to happen for the first part is the Jews to be carrying out the sacrifice and (antichrist) puts a stop to it. The second part says the one who causes desolation will place abominations upon a "wing" of the temple. Well could this not be placing an abomination upon a nearby temple that could technically be an edge of (or a wing) of the temple grounds as they currently exist? Input please!

Can you imagine the animal rights activist's along with all the Jews enemies not wanting the Jews to be re-connecting (if you will) with their God again after all these two thousand years? When they are worshipping God as they should no army on earth could stand against them in battle. (might be a scary though for their enemies too).

You could almost bet on this event be stopped. Does that mean anything prophetically? You think about that and let me know what you come up with. This sounds to me like the literal fulfillment of Daniels prophecy and it is a just over a week away from happening. The Jews have bought enough lamb to feed a million vistors from the paschal sacrifice that will be performed (or attempted) on March 29-30.

Buckle your seatbelts christian brothers and sisters.

 

[bloodbought09]

Animal sacrifices were done away by Christ 2000 or so years ago. He was the spotless Lamb. A thought just came to mind when I was thinking about how I agree that the animal sacrifices should be done away with but not for the same reason as the antichrist. The sacrifice does nothing for remission of sin.

What if the antichrist puts an end to sacrifices by claiming to be the messiah?

 

[nChrist]

Matthew 24:14-51 KJV And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Test All Things2]

The sacrifice is a requirement for the appearance of the "antichrist" as specified in prophecy. We are very close to that at the present time.

 

[nChrist]

The sacrifice is a requirement for the appearance of the "antichrist" as specified in prophecy. We are very close to that at the present time.

I agree with you. We don't know the year, month, or day - but the time is near. For Christians, this also means that a Glorious Day of Rejoicing is also drawing nearer. Many of us anxiously await His Glorious Appearance.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Test All Things2]

Not to change the subject,

but rather embellish upon it: I just finished talking with a christian brother from church who related a similar story to mine. He and his wife (both claim christianity...regular church goers) of 25 years (also as was mine) of marriage divorced, and she was heavy into YOGA and other eastern occult philosophies (like my wife). There were things that creeped into their marriage and became a "wedge issues" that eventually seperated them. I do not feel alone anymore after talking at length with him.

The point here is the christian church (and specifically families) are under attack right now by our enemy. This all further adds to what we have been discussing here about the imminent return of our Lord Jesus. There is alot of weird things going on besides the prophetical things. I have seen others in our church suffereing from various types of trials that are putting their (our) christianity to the test so to speak. God is seperating the sheep from the goats I believe.

Every time I hear about things like this it just adds further proof to the nearness of our Lord's return. The brother I spoke with has used this tragedy in his life to bring glory to God. He is literally serving God with all his strength and much of his time. A process that might have been a downfall for someone not utilizing the power of God (like this brother did) has actually brought glory to God. This man walks in the power of the Spirit now (inspite of the tragedy of divorce).

 

[cubanito]

Yoga if simply practiced as a form of exercise, which some do, would be fine. If the Yoga practiced includes the mystical practices that is built in by many practitioners, no.

The chanting is hard to know where to draw the line. I'm not comfortable with it, which is one of the things I don't like about some charismatic songs. They too have the chanting built in as a part of them. It's not the chanting that's really the problem, it's what does it produce. Again if the chanting is part of a false religion, then of course no. The major problem I have with the charismatic use of it is that people think it's the Holy Spirit and not their induced state of mind producing things like glossalalia.

Well said, and as usual I would only quibble at the edges w Manly Marvelous Marvin.

Glossalalia does not belong in this discussion at all. It is altogether different from the intentional repetition of one syllable, or even the inetentional repetitive prayes of Bhuddism or the rosary. Whether there is such a thing as "speaking in toungues" in modern times or not should NOT be in this thread. There are plenty of other places to argue about it, or Marvin can start a new thread on this matter. Gregorian chants (which I thoroughly enjoy) have more in common with repeating "Om" than glossolalia.

Secondly, as a physician, I make a stark distinction between the exercises of Yoga and the philosophy and meditation . BTW, some Yoga exercises can be quite harmful, and many of them are highly contraindicated in certain specific conditions. People forget the GENERAL rule that the more flexible a joint the less strong a joint. I have seen lots of subluxations and occasionally full dislocations from advanced Yoga practices. Still, some of the basic early poses are quite useful for many people, and there are few other alternatives.

Above caveats aside, I do agree w the Big Nordic Menace.

JR

 

[VCViking]

John MacArthur on the subject.




YouTube - More on the CNN Debate "Does God Approve of Yoga?"

 

[gratefulgrace]

My post of yesterday didn't make it on here for some reason but this video is excellent and covers everything I said and MORE. Thanks for sharing. GG

 

[Test All Things2]

I would like to add some more fodder to this thread:

Is any body familiar with the practice of Reiki?

This is another taboo practice for christians that is very popular in the new age circuits right now. But pay close attention to people who practice this as it might even bring curses upon oneself.

 

[Rhamiel]

I would like to add some more fodder to this thread:

Is any body familiar with the practice of Reiki?

This is another taboo practice for christians that is very popular in the new age circuits right now. But pay close attention to people who practice this as it might even bring curses upon oneself.

the Bishops of the Catholic Church have spoken out agianst Reiki

 

[bloodbought09]

reike. rei=spirit and ki=air. Sounds alot like the prince of the air.

 

[gratefulgrace]

Back to the You tube clip if you watched it right through will willhave noticed the other leaders response afterward. It was quite telling for me, when he mentions that a women in the studio said "that is what keeps young people from church." referring to John's clear presentation of the gospel. Also both are laughing at the comment John MacCarthur made about going to the word of God when stressed. And then obviously enjoying getting the strokes about how He is not crazy like the other guy. That he would even include this on the clip is toally weird and shows me HE has major problems as a christian leader. Maybe the Yoga is getting to him more than he thinks. GG

 

[VCViking]

Maybe the Yoga is getting to him more than he thinks. GG

I didn't even think of that! Definitely.

 

[Test All Things2]

Yoga means:

The Sanskrit word yoga has many meanings, and is derived from the Sanskrit root "yuj", meaning "to control", "to yoke" or "to unite." Translations include "joining", "uniting", "union", "conjunction", and "means". An alternate root from which the word yoga may be derived is "yujir samadhau", which means "contemplation" or "absorption

Definition from Wikipedia

What are you being joined with or yoked to?

 

[gratefulgrace]

Yoga means:

The Sanskrit word yoga has many meanings, and is derived from the Sanskrit root "yuj", meaning "to control", "to yoke" or "to unite."Translations include "joining", "uniting", "union", "conjunction", and "means". An alternate root from which the word yoga may be derived is "yujir samadhau", which means "contemplation" or "absorption

Definition from Wikipedia

What are you being joined with or yoked to?

Yeah good thought. that fellows comment just really bothered me that he would not stick up for a fellow pastor in defense of the gospel. His web page looks genuine enough but the fruit of love was surely absent there. He may not agree with John M but wasn't being attacked by him so shouldn't have felt the need to belittle him for his beliefs. Reminds me of all the really open minded accepting new age folks I know who when it come to christianity all of a sudden aren't so open minded and accepting anymore. I think we need to pray for this man. GG