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.A person puts on Christ by accepting Him as their Savior.
6 "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving." (Colossians 2:6-7).
You want to Talk About me...then at least do so with the Truth that is according to my words about me...Rather than You speaking FALSE things and attributing YOUR FALSE words to me.
Where Has Anyone me or otherwise Said....
They Have Not loved their Enemy?
You presented the Context " that a Saved man Will AUTOMATICALLY love his enemy"
I disagreed with you. Loving ones enemy IS not automatic. A man Who commits his Love to the Lord is effecting a relationship between him and the Lord.
The How a man establishes a relationship with others is a learned behavior Not automatic.
And clearly I represented myself with having achieved that knowledge and submission to loving my enemy....and you come along with ignoring my own words and attempt to speak things For me that Are FALSE.
And WHO here has SAID ...they have no sin?
NO ONE!
Not one person have I seen Make That Claim "for themselves". Not one person!
But I have Seen several WHO Like To MAKE CLAIMS "FOR" others...and not Only make claims FOR others... but then go off on a spree of endless tongue lashing Toward the Person.....who NEVER....made the claim to begin with!!!
So here you are...calling people LIARS....who claim they have No Sin.
And Why is that comment relevant To Any conversation in this Entire OP.....?
When not One person has made such a claim?
You say...
Disagree. Scripture teaches no such thing.
Stop talking For Me. My own words are sufficient for me concerning myself.
God Bless
SBC
I am.
And inasmuch as scripture teaches you will know a man By his fruits....
Men tend to thus observe other men....
By what he says and does...and men love to be critical of other men...in a funny way really...critizing what others do, yet they do the same and criticizing others for what they don't do, yet they don't do the same.
Thus our own criticisms can often be a reflection of ourselves and WHY we have to know When Judgement IS or IS not JUST.
From personal judgement to a Bench Sitting Judge. Pretty tough to accept A Bench sitting Judges rendering of a ; for example Cocain penalty Sentence, when the Judge himself does the same.
So how does one Know the Fruits of a man claiming to Be COMMITED To God, TO Christ, To The Word of God?
By the mans "word"?
That is an initial start.
However the Evidence...
Is such a man Will Never Speak Against those things. Will Never Deny or perpetuate Disbelief.
GodBless
SBC
While Paul was against "Works Alone Salvationism" that left out faith and God's grace, Paul was not against the requirement in having an obedience to God; For Paul said,
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "
(1 Timothy 6:3-4). (Note: James says, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6)).
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).
"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22).
(Note: "Anathema" means "accursed"; And Jesus says: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).)
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12).
“...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22) (KJ21).
25 "...even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27).
"Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." (Titus 2:14).
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5).
(Note: How can we have an assurance in knowing whether or not Christ lives within us? The apostle John says in 1 John 2:3-4, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.").
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Corinthians 14:37).
Good works do not make one a Christian.
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How do we put on Christ by accepting Him as Savior?
How do we walk in Christ by our receiving Him as Lord?
How are we rooted and built up in Him?
Do you get what I'm asking, "How Do These things happen", what is the process which makes them possible for the Believer?
Only by Accepting Christ as Lord?
Those verse don't say we can, they say we should.
Someone who claimed to be a Christian murdered an abortion doctor; SBC has not loved his enemy.
he who says he has no sin is as liar; anyone truly born again will not rape; Christians continue to lie, hopefully not a much as before; because of the fall, Christians can become addicted to alcohol.
Only in heaven will we sin no more.
Revelation 3:1-5And where is the Scripture verse for that statement?
The analogy was about taking something offered to you for you.
Jesus offered His body ONCE and for all the world to have Life .
John 6:51
Heb 10:10
Of course there are conditions for receiving the gift - which was my point.
The gift of Salvation is not forced on you you have to take it.
Of course you have To Believe....unless you somehow think you are opting to receive a gift from something you Do Not believe exists.
ONCE you receive the gift you cannot lose it.
If you don't ONCE receive the gift...you lose it, or otherwise lose your opportunity to receive the gift....
Have you never noticed people going to church for years believing, following along,
Then going to an alter call?
What do you think they are doing at the alter call ?
They are asking God to receive the gift of Salvation.
What do you think they were doing for years BEFORE they went to an alter call and asked to receive the gift?
Do you think they were Saved?
They weren't.
Do you think they were learning about God?
Deciding if they truly believe in their heart?
Increasing in faith?
They were.
Do you think at any time they could stop believing, stop following, lose their faith, depart the faith, fall from faith?
They can.
And? Have they received Salvation?
No. They put themselves in jeopardy of losing their Salvation BY departing from, falling away from Faith. By their own decision to stop believing.
All the Scriptures that talk about Losing ones Salvation is talking about men who have Never received the Gift.
And the urgency to receive the Gift...
Is stress For Every individual
Because....Individuals Do Not know when they are going to Die.
And once a man Dies he has Lost his opportunity To Receive Salvation.
So IF you don't want to Lose your Salvation...
Then take it... Receive it...And ONCE Received it is yours To Keep FOREVER.
There is then no jeopardy of Losing it.
ONCE you have received Salvation....
Why concern yourself or compare yourself with Scriptures that do not apply to you?
When Scripture is teacing men to get on the ball and receive their Salvation before they lose it.....Why would those warnings Apply to a man Who has already Received His Salvation?
Scripture is written For Everyone.
Yet YOU are not everyone described in Scripture. YOU have to figure out which Scriptures APPLY to you and which ones Do Not Apply. And Why.
IF Scripture says...hey IF believe in God IN your heart, and then call out to HIM and Tell Him you Believe IN Him... YOU Will Be Saved.
Well? How does All the Scriptures talking about dying IN Sin, Losing Salvation, being separated from God, etc. then apply TO YOU?
They don't.
Just like the Scriptures that talk about being With the Lord FOREVER do not apply to a man WHO has NOT been Saved.
To determine IF Scripture Applies to You, an individual, IS soley dependent on what YOU do or do not do.
I chose to Receive Salvation.
I am not in jeopardy of Losing it.
All the Scriptures that talk about and warn about an individual losing their Salvation...
Have no application whatsoever to me.
God Bless
SBC
Christians will do good works, but good works do not make one a Christian. Many atheist do good works.
Rev 21:4 - And He will wipe away ever tear from their eyes, and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning. or crying o pain; the first things have passed away.
That their will be sin in God's perfect heaven is a curious theology.
It seemed like you said you had not love your enemies. If I misread you, I apologize.
Have a very + day.
.One repents of their sins to Jesus by way of prayer and they ask Jesus to save them and to invite Christ into their life. Then one seeks to follow the good ways of Jesus in God’s Word.
.Jesus also died to sin(Rom 6:10) and we know that He never sinned.
First of all, going up during an "altar call" is not what saves. Altar calls aren't even found in the New Testament.
But regardless, would you agree that if Jesus adds you to the Book of Life, that you are saved? That you have taken up that gift "once" as you put it?
Well study Revelation 3:1-5. Read it carefully.
Jesus says that He won't remove some of their names from the Book of Life IF they repent.
Revelation 3:1-5
1) To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
2) Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
3) So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.
4) But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.
5) He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
Jesus can't erase it if it wasn't there to begin with. Also see Revelation 2:10.
God said that there was conditions for receiving the gift AND keeping the gift, as previously shown.
.First of all, going up during an "altar call" is not what saves. Altar calls aren't even found in the New Testament.
But regardless, would you agree that if Jesus adds you to the Book of Life, that you are saved? That you have taken up that gift "once" as you put it?
Well study Revelation 3:1-5. Read it carefully.
Jesus says that He won't remove some of their names from the Book of Life IF they repent.
I'm not sure if it gets more clear than that. Please just read the scripture as they naturally make themselves clear. Those scripture DO apply to anyone who has been saved, added to the Book of Life.
The term "free will" doesn't have to appear in scripture specifically...
Sin in heaven?
Angels did that and were booted out.
Only Saved and holy men's souls and spirits, go to heaven.
Sin in the high heaven, Gods place?
Never.
Apology accepted.
God Bless,
SBC
Carnal works is one thing.
Spiritual works are another thing.
The difference is about WHO the WORKS
Glorify.
No works Glorify God that are Works accomplished BY a man that IS NOT committed to God.
God Bless,
SBC
Please show me the word “should” in those verses.
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