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simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
It frequently and already was proven for many thousands of years.
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It frequently and already was proven for many thousands of years..
The Free Will of man cannot be proven.
.If there is no standard of morality that we as believers uphold than we are no worse than this sinful world.
.However, if a person says that obedience to God's moral laws does not apply to them salvation wise, then they are undercutting the very Moral argument for the existence of God. It's not right. So if this applies to you: Then I will say, please rethink your ways and repent.
For Scripture says, the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
For nowhere does Scripture teach that youc an live unrighteously and yet inherit the Kingdom of God and or be saved. Be not deceived. God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
.I forgot to say that Once Saved Always Saved, is also called Free Grace, Eternal Security, Unconditional Eternal Security, OSAS, Perseverance of the Saints.
It is basically saying that you can willfully break God's moral laws on some level and still be saved vs. living holy and in the will of God. For most in the Eternal Security camp will deny that you cannot stop sinning. You will be a slave to sin. Yet, Jesus condemned this kind of thinking. He says, he that sins is a slave to sin. Paul says we are to be slaves to righteousness. So what kind of believer do you want to be? A believer who is a slave to sin or a believer who is a slave to righteousness?
.However, you can CHOOSE to walk away from Christ, be led into all sorts of sin, and then you can lose your salvation. As I mentioned in my last post,
The way I hear some people talk, they act (in public) as if they were born sinless, and have always been walking in the midst of God's Perfect Will. If this is a person's walk, God will say, "I never knew you." However, if a person searches their soul, and tries to walk in humility, "God will say, Well Done."
I am a sinner. In the past I have been rough with people on these Fora, and I have regretted it. Further past, well, let's just say that it is covered by the Blood. But God is drawing me closer to Himself every day.
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Isn't everything that God Wills His Perfect Will?
I don't believe it is possible to divide Gods' Will into categories, of good , better, best, perfect.
Same as most people - by choosing and following another god, another master, instead of YHWH.How can a slave to Righteousness continue to sin?
.Can someone theoretically under the OSAS ideoligy sin as much as they want.... after accepting God as their savior or whatever...and still make it to heaven? Could i sleep with someone each day....watch porn each day.... mmmm idk steal sometimes all while accepting God as my savior (assuming that's what you believe salvation is) and still make it? Still be saved?
.That's right. Paul wrote Peter "stood condemned", meaning he was in a state of that would lead to ultimate condemnation unless he turned and changed.
Peter turned and changed. Repented.
We can too, all of us. That's part of the amazing Grace He offers to us.
There's something to learn in these epistles, like Galatians, and the lessons are not always comfortable! But it will end up far more uncomfortable to refuse to do as we are instructed.
.And that is your right to believe so. But we are told to be perfect, as our Heavenly Father is perfect. Unless you get used to hearing God's voice, and learning what His will is, you can walk yourself right into hell.
Yes, I ended up quoting that in a "to be blamed" version to illustrate the meaning above..
Gal.2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be (BLAMED) KJV
The lack of free-will would contradict multiple attributes about God..
The Free Will of man cannot be proven.
Well you disagree with scripture, not me.Disagree.
God IS Light.
Everyone hearing God Word IS being enlightened.
Every Word of God Judas heard, he was being enlightened.
Every Word of God an Atheist hears, he is being enlightened.
Every Word of God the Roman soldiers heard, they were being enlightened and even repeated the True Word of God calling Jesus The King of the Jews!
Being enlightened is one thing. Which is precisely what is happening to a person who is hearing the Word of God.
Believing, Doubing, Challenging, wondering...
Is precisely what happens to pretty much every man who first hears the Word of God,
And you can review the Scriptures, that those things happened Even to Jesus' chosen Disciples.
Every individual man has his own individual freewill to choose to be enlightened by hearing God Word, continuing to hear Gods Word, believe it, mock it, wonder about it, hear for awhile, stop hearing, then return to hearing, or flat out reject it.....
Every time a man IS hearing that man is being Enlightened.
Every time a man is being Enlightened The Lord Himself is giving the man a measure of Faith. Not a Full Measure.
Any man who chooses to STOP or REJECT hearing, Believing what he hears THAT man has LOST his FAITH, and is receiving no more FAITH from the Lord.
NOW for a man who has become enlightened hearing the Word of God AND then in the Lords Name AND the mans own declaration of TRUE belief in his heart that that man BELIEVES IN the Word of God That The Word of God is True...
And That the mans confession IS True WHICH the Lord Who knows all things Will know If the confession IS True.
THEN being a TRUE confession the Lord SHALL save the mans soul, unto forever life.
That man SHALL also Have his body forgiven and justified to become dead and alive in Chris's body forever, and to have his spirit quickened to forever life with the Lord And
To receive Full faithfulness from the Lord forever, that such man can never stand Against the Lord in Disbelief which standing Against the Lord in Disbelief IS SIN Against God.
Any man Who has become in Standing With the Lord, (forgiven, soul Saved, Spirit quickened, body justified, received full faithFullness) IS NEVER reversed Nor otherwise can be undone.
Such a man By the POWER of God is Free and Kept from Sin.
Never would you ever hear such a man, Freed From Sin, Ever Speak Against the Lord of Disbelief In The Lord.
A man beginning to be enlightened Is simply the beginning of Faith - not the Fullness of Faith.
Point being -
Any man can loose Faith
- until such time the man has received Fullness of Faith, which is a gift from God WHEN the Lord has Converted the Whole of the man....
Body soul spirit OF the man, which can never be undone.
God Bless,
SBC
Also, it would contradict all of Scripture if YHWH took away man's free will.The lack of free-will would contradict multiple attributes about God.
I know a lot of strong Christians and they all sin......
How about this, if a Believer is Dead to Sin, how then does a Believer Sin?
Both Paul and Peter are in agreement, "We Are Dead to Sin."
Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Maybe not,Anyone who says that they don't covet, lust, lie, fall to gluttony, sloth, have unrighteous anger, .... is lying.
.The lack of free-will would contradict multiple attributes about God.
For God to judge justly, it would require A.creating fixed boundaries; B. a subject with ability to choose; C. the subject would have to be informed of the boundaries before judgement.
God is light and God is love and God is GOOD. If God created humans to do evil without their choice, then it would be God doing the evil. It would just be God spawning minions of evil and minions of good. But God cannot sin...God cannot commit evil acts.
The only philosophical answer to this is that the lack of God is evil, and while God creates humans for good, if they choose to rebel against Him then that void of good is what we know as evil.
Joshua 24:15
"15 If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
If God created you to tell me that free will does not exist; and He created me to tell you that free will does exist...
Isn't that so obviously contradictory on the most basic level?
.Well you disagree with scripture, not me.
You provided ZERO scripture for your beliefs.
It's nothing personal, but I'm not interested in merely your opinion..I want truth, which is every word breathed by God.
(Hallelujah, amen.)
.I know a lot of strong Christians and they all sin.....
Anyone who says that they don't covet, lust, lie, fall to gluttony, sloth, have unrighteous anger, .... is lying.
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