Are there different definitions of the "once saved, always saved" doctrine?

[JIMINZ]

Maybe not,
maybe people who have to sin are just like the believers in Corinth: they're just carnal ....

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Or maybe, people just don't know where they stand in Christ.

Jeff how can you be a slave of Jesus and continue to sin, when it has been taught by the Apostles Paul and Peter, you cannot sin, because you are Dead to Sin?

 

[omega2xx]

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Or just maybe, people just don't know where they stand in Christ.

Jeff how can you be a slave of Jesus and continue to sin, when it has been taught by the Apostles Paul and Peter, you cannot sin, because you are Dead to Sin?

Are you really saying you never sin any more?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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There is a standard of morality that Believers are to adhere to, but you continually declare how much you sin, so I would have to assume you are not living up to the Believers Standard of morality.

By your false accusation that I continually declare how much I sin, I am going to assume you believe that a believer can sin and still be saved. Is that correct? Please define for me what morality is? Also, how can God agree with a plan of salvation that violates His moral laws of goodness? Can God agree with sin? Surely not. God is holy, just, good, and loving.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Are you really saying you never sin any more?

While I could be wrong, by what he has said so far, he appears to be teaching hardcore OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved). He is more than likely saying that when he physically sins, he does not sin on a spiritual level because Jesus paid for his sins past, present, and future. However, this false belief is condemned in 1 John 1:8 (of course). For the proper course of action to deal with sin so as to remain forgiven is to confess sin (1 John 1:9).

 

[SBC]

anything that goes against God. fornication, murder, lying, stealing, stuff like that.


But yeah sin is anything that goes against righteousness and all of them are specifically listed in scripture such as adultery or fornication.


I guess now that I think about it we both kind of agree that one can achieve this spiritual stage where they aren't sinning. We just disagree on the fact that some can sin again/actually backslide.

I believe right and wrong is both a natural instinct and learned behavior.

The learning is typically set by random commands and then by a set of rules.

The intent for the commands and rules are always For the Same intended purposes;
1) first for the benefit of the individual
2) secondly for the benefit of all others

This begins from newborn to ones death.
The less mature the more rules.
The more mature the less rules.

This is Gods Way.
Was our intended Governments Way
Gods OT Way
Gods NT Way
Parents Way
Was business Way

Sin I believe is simple;
Disbelief IN Thee Supreme;
Lord God Almighty
Which encompasses the complete Fullness of God.

That is something we are not naturally born,
Knowing or Doing.
That is something all the commands and rules
implemented from birth that every individual experiences is a preparation for every individual to, at some point in their lives, Decide

IF they want to Subject Themselves To
This Unseen Force of Power and its Commands or Not.

The commitment is Simple to Implement.
The Rules are Simple to Obey.

The Commitment is the Biggest Contention among men.

Because; It is a FOREVER choosing to Commitment To Something FOREVER.

Sin is simple.
Sin is Only Against God.
Sin can Only be Forgiven By God.
Sin is Simply Disbelief In the Fullness of God
And refusal To Subjuct oneself To God.

A man Relieved From Sin, FREED From, Dead to Sin, Incapable of Sin.....

Is a man Who chose To BELIEVE in this Unseen Force of Supreme Power AND Subject Himself To A FOREVER Commitment AND that this Unseen Force Shall BE First and Formost Above All other Things In your Life, including Yourself...is the Commitment TO The Fullness of this thing we call God;

Again the Commitment is tough for a human;
Because it is Not only a passing, ya, ya, I believe, and and another day doubt, and be
Wishy washy back and forth...which IS what Is meant By falling From Faith.

Faith is A Gift From God.
A man believing is receiving Faith from God.
A man who stops believing, stops receiving Faith from God. This Only Applies To the Non Committed.

A committed man receives More Faith- ie -
Fullness Of Faith and called FaithFul.

Such a Committed man can Never lose or Fall from Faithfulness-

Because .... Soley....The Power of God Dwells within the man and Keeps The man Faithful To God.

By The Power of God the man IS FOREVER Kept From being capable of Ever Again Not Believing in God -
Which Is precisely the meaning of
1 John 3:9
A man Can Not Sin.

It is not ever about a mans power to Not Practice sin or try really hard to not Sin...
Men are weak. They are hard pressed to keep simple little daily commitments. Ex. Hey I'll call you tonight. Next day Hey, you didn't call. Oops forgot, no big deal. Broken commitment!

The Belief In God is ONLY the Beginng of Faith for a man. The power, is still the mans individual power- believe, doubt, don't believe, the mans own power to pick and choose and change at any time.

It is the Commitment that is PARAMOUNT!
It is the Commitment where Everything Changes.
Everything IS Now effected and Kept BY Gods Power.

Thus a man who subjects himself To God,
SHALL Never Again Sin.

But what about if you cheat on a spouse, or some other such thing?

What about it? What are you supposed to do about it?
Fix it! With who ? The one you trespassed Against! The other person. And YOU get to suffer the consequences.

You didn't stop being Faithful to God, that can never change.

What you did was trespass against you spouse. Because you didn't pay attention to;
1) examples of others who have done the same and the grievous harm it causes and the heavy burden of consequences it would cause you. Oops bummer.
2) you also failed To Remember men are Weak... And a man committed To God has a Supreme Advantage over men who are not committed To God.

God Power trumps all things. Even the desires of the Flesh.
The natural mind and flesh...wants whatever,
It is selfish and greedy.

It's afraid to loose that edge, like God will take away the ability, but then the mystery will follow OF the flesh still wanting.

That is a false concept.
The Truth is Gods Power Can take away the mans own Flesh Desires and wants that ultimately lead to harm and burdening consequences.

This is parallel to where you mention the maturing age. That as a man matures he finally figures out the Power of God in Him just isn't About whoopie forever Life and Saved from hell but also IS Power for the mans Flesh life To ward off harms and burdening consequences.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

Well you disagree with scripture, not me.

You provided ZERO scripture for your beliefs.

It's nothing personal, but I'm not interested in merely your opinion..I want truth, which is every word breathed by God.
(Hallelujah, amen.)

I disagree with you saying...

"if you are severed you were on once joined"
Source: Brokenhill

You were naturally born in Sin.
Which is not being Joined To To God.

Adam Was joined To God, being created and made in Gods Likeness with Only the Word of Truth in Him that Adam followed and obeyed and did.

Thereafter - Adam fell away from Gods Likeness - Not Believing and Trusting and Doing according To God.

You were made in the womb in Gods Likeness, but you were naturally born in Adams fallen Likeness.

You were not an individual independent life until you were born and severed from you mothers own individual life, which all Life of a thing called mankind is their Blood.

And it is during a mans individual Blood Life that a man decides to not Believe. Believe or Believe AND Commit To God.

As an individual You get To Choose To become in Gods Likeness Or Not.

God Is Going To Take Your Blood Life.
However You get to choose To Give it To Him voluntarily or Simply Wait For Him To Take it.

Giving Voluntarily means receiving FOREVER life With God.
Not Giving Voluntarily means FOREVER death and separation From God.

Gen 5:1
Gen 5:3
Gen9:1
2 Pet 1
1 Thes 1:4

You were not naturally born in belief, which is ONLY the beginning of receiving Faith from God. ONCE you make a a TRUE heartfelt commitment To God the Whole of you becomes Changed FOREVER and can Not be undone.

ONCE Saved it is FOREVER.

God Bless
SBC

 

[SBC]

God allows us to give up the gift of salvation. God does not force us to be saved. Or else we wouldn't have free will and that would contradict His whole plan.

You seem to have a bit of confusion.

Salvation is a Gift God has MADE Available To everyone. It is everyone's Free Gift
For The "TAKING"!

If you are offered a Free Car, a Free Trip, A Free cup of coffee And Take It, it was yours to have and Take.

If you Do Not Take It, it was Still yours To Have and To Take.

If you Do Not Take or otherwise Claim Your Gift "within" the allotted Timeframe You Lose Your Gift.

Your allotted Timeframe For Taking/Claiming Your Gift of Salvation IS during your own natural Blood lifetime.

Take it/ Claim it during your Blood life time and it is Yours FOREVER.

Don't Take it/ Claim it during your own natural Blood life Time you Shall Lose it FOREVER.

Men do not decide the Conditions Of Gods Gifts. God does.

Gods Gift of Salvation ONCE Received by a man IS permanent.

The man has Zero control to Give it Back!

The mans control is merely to take/claim it in the first place or not.

God Bless
SBC

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

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NO, because no matter how anyone wants to cut it, they are still sinning, and we all know,

1 John 6-10
6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:

That’s what I’ve veen trying to tell people who hold the position it’s still sin... but no one wants to accept that

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I believe right and wrong is both a natural instinct and learned behavior.

The learning is typically set by random commands and then by a set of rules.

The intent for the commands and rules are always For the Same intended purposes;
1) first for the benefit of the individual
2) secondly for the benefit of all others

This begins from newborn to ones death.
The less mature the more rules.
The more mature the less rules.

This is Gods Way.
Was our intended Governments Way
Gods OT Way
Gods NT Way
Parents Way
Was business Way

Sin I believe is simple;
Disbelief IN Thee Supreme;
Lord God Almighty
Which encompasses the complete Fullness of God.

That is something we are not naturally born,
Knowing or Doing.
That is something all the commands and rules
implemented from birth that every individual experiences is a preparation for every individual to, at some point in their lives, Decide

IF they want to Subject Themselves To
This Unseen Force of Power and its Commands or Not.

The commitment is Simple to Implement.
The Rules are Simple to Obey.

The Commitment is the Biggest Contention among men.

Because; It is a FOREVER choosing to Commitment To Something FOREVER.

Sin is simple.
Sin is Only Against God.
Sin can Only be Forgiven By God.
Sin is Simply Disbelief In the Fullness of God
And refusal To Subjuct oneself To God.

A man Relieved From Sin, FREED From, Dead to Sin, Incapable of Sin.....

Is a man Who chose To BELIEVE in this Unseen Force of Supreme Power AND Subject Himself To A FOREVER Commitment AND that this Unseen Force Shall BE First and Formost Above All other Things In your Life, including Yourself...is the Commitment TO The Fullness of this thing we call God;

Again the Commitment is tough for a human;
Because it is Not only a passing, ya, ya, I believe, and and another day doubt, and be
Wishy washy back and forth...which IS what Is meant By falling From Faith.

Faith is A Gift From God.
A man believing is receiving Faith from God.
A man who stops believing, stops receiving Faith from God. This Only Applies To the Non Committed.

A committed man receives More Faith- ie -
Fullness Of Faith and called FaithFul.

Such a Committed man can Never lose or Fall from Faithfulness-

Because .... Soley....The Power of God Dwells within the man and Keeps The man Faithful To God.

By The Power of God the man IS FOREVER Kept From being capable of Ever Again Not Believing in God -
Which Is precisely the meaning of
1 John 3:9
A man Can Not Sin.

It is not ever about a mans power to Not Practice sin or try really hard to not Sin...
Men are weak. They are hard pressed to keep simple little daily commitments. Ex. Hey I'll call you tonight. Next day Hey, you didn't call. Oops forgot, no big deal. Broken commitment!

The Belief In God is ONLY the Beginng of Faith for a man. The power, is still the mans individual power- believe, doubt, don't believe, the mans own power to pick and choose and change at any time.

It is the Commitment that is PARAMOUNT!
It is the Commitment where Everything Changes.
Everything IS Now effected and Kept BY Gods Power.

Thus a man who subjects himself To God,
SHALL Never Again Sin.

But what about if you cheat on a spouse, or some other such thing?

What about it? What are you supposed to do about it?
Fix it! With who ? The one you trespassed Against! The other person. And YOU get to suffer the consequences.

You didn't stop being Faithful to God, that can never change.

What you did was trespass against you spouse. Because you didn't pay attention to;
1) examples of others who have done the same and the grievous harm it causes and the heavy burden of consequences it would cause you. Oops bummer.
2) you also failed To Remember men are Weak... And a man committed To God has a Supreme Advantage over men who are not committed To God.

God Power trumps all things. Even the desires of the Flesh.
The natural mind and flesh...wants whatever,
It is selfish and greedy.

It's afraid to loose that edge, like God will take away the ability, but then the mystery will follow OF the flesh still wanting.

That is a false concept.
The Truth is Gods Power Can take away the mans own Flesh Desires and wants that ultimately lead to harm and burdening consequences.

This is parallel to where you mention the maturing age. That as a man matures he finally figures out the Power of God in Him just isn't About whoopie forever Life and Saved from hell but also IS Power for the mans Flesh life To ward off harms and burdening consequences.

God Bless,
SBC

I see well since we are more alike in our positions then not alike and since we’ve discussed this a ton I feel I’m gonna conclude the conversation. Was a good discussion and now after it I now understand where you’re coming from. We may disagree on if someone can backslide at least but outside that we agree and besides people don’t ageee on everything. Was a great discussion God bless

 

[SBC]

I see well since we are more alike in our positions then not alike and since we’ve discussed this a ton I feel I’m gonna conclude the conversation. Was a good discussion and now after it I now understand where you’re coming from. We may disagree on if someone can backslide at least but outside that we agree and besides people don’t ageee on everything. Was a great discussion God bless

Thanks and agree on the similarities.

I would just add-
1)
The behavior & works go hand n hand.
What & How of the Behavior & works...
I Do not see as Sin.

I see those things as of a man and between men. And as mentioned a trespass which God has given us the protocol for remedy. Or can be something good for which other men, thank, give awards, prizes and such.

Concerning God- anytime we are seen doing that which Glorifies God your reward is with Him.
Anything we do that is in His Name and we neither take or receive awards, prizes, money, etc. Again our reward is with God.

2) IOW sin is not hinged On behavior or works....but rather...
Glory to God and Rewards ARE precisely hinged on behavior and works.

3) Belief and Commitment is precisely hinged on being in Sin or being Freed From Sin.

God Bless
Blessing to you and yours for a very
Merry Christmas
SBC

 

[JIMINZ]

Are you really saying you never sin any more?

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I'm not arguing a theological point, I'm asking a question about what Scripture says.

The question being, if a Believer is Dead to Sin, how then does a Believer Sin?

Both Paul and Peter say We Are Dead to Sin.

Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being deadto sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[JIMINZ]

By your false accusation that I continually declare how much I sin,

.
Am I mistaken that you have posted, "I as a Christian do sin, but then I repent"
If you have never posted anything like that, then I offer my apology.

Now to answer your questions.
1) I am going to assume you believe that a believer can sin and still be saved.

"No," I do not believe a Believer can sin and still be Saved.

2) Please define for me what morality is?

A right standard of living according to the knowledge of right and wrong.

3) Also, how can God agree with a plan of salvation that violates His moral laws of goodness?

I don't expect God to agree with a plan of Salvation, that violates His moral laws of goodness.

I expect man to agree with Gods' plan of Salvation.

4) Can God agree with sin?

I would say not, for God is Holy, and Just, and Good.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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Am I mistaken that you have posted, "I as a Christian do sin, but then I repent"
If you have never posted anything like that, then I offer my apology.

Now to answer your questions.
1) I am going to assume you believe that a believer can sin and still be saved.

"No," I do not believe a Believer can sin and still be Saved.

I will wait for your reply on another question before I respond to this.

2) Please define for me what morality is?

A right standard of living according to the knowledge of right and wrong.

Very good. Many Eternal Security proponents I talk with will not admit this to me.
Anyways, if you believe in a standard of Morality, you would not believe in Calvinism because it is forced salvation and forced damnation (Whereby God really does not judge them).

3) Also, how can God agree with a plan of salvation that violates His moral laws of goodness?

I don't expect God to agree with a plan of Salvation, that violates His moral laws of goodness.

I expect man to agree with Gods' plan of Salvation.

I will wait until you respond to my other question before I reply to this.

4) Can God agree with sin?

I would say not, for God is Holy, and Just, and Good.

Is a saint saved while they are committing a sin?

 

[SBC]

Jason0047
JIMINZ

God is Holy, and Just, and Good.
Yes, He IS!

And the BIG message IS, God is using His Supreme Great Power...

To Convert natural men into His Likeness.

Naturally born corrupt men WHO;
Believe IN Him
And WHO
Confess To Him, From Their Heart, their Belief IN Him....

They, ARE BY Gods Power become;
Sanctified i.e. Made holy
...1Cor 1:2
Just ie. Justified.
....1Cor 6:11
Good
...1Tim 4:4

How? By the mans confessed submission.
How? By Gods Power.
Why? Because God is preparing the inhabitants For His Kingdom.

Jason, The committed men God IS preparing For His Kingdom - God IS making THEM in His Likeness-

God Is Sinless. God IS Good. God IS Holy. God IS Just.

All what God IS, a natural man IS Not.

However BY God Power Within A Man...
And God Converting a man To spiritual man,
BY His SEED.

The mans Sins Are Forgiven.
God covers the mans Sins.
God remembers the mans Sins No More.
By Gods Power, the Man can Sin No More.

You are trying to teach spiritual things From the perspective of a Natual carnal Mind.

Natural minded teaching comes from the natural minds understanding.

When teaching of spiritual things the understanding comes from the Converted born again Spirit in the mans Heart being taught the understanding OF God BY Gods Spirit in the mans Heart.

Again - God IS Converting Natural men To spiritual men.

Carnal flesh eyes cannot physically SEE...
The Conversion and Transformation.

However a Born Again Spirit Can Know and SEE By Understanding IN His Spirit What God has Done.

JIMINZ is telling you the perspective From His spirit... In preparation for Gods Kingdom,
God HAS FREED Converted men From Sin...
That they Can Sin NO MORE.

God Bless,
Good will for a very blessed and
Merry Christmas to you and yours,

SBC

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason0047
JIMINZ

God is Holy, and Just, and Good.
Yes, He IS!

And the BIG message IS, God is using His Supreme Great Power...

To Convert natural men into His Likeness.

Naturally born corrupt men WHO;
Believe IN Him
And WHO
Confess To Him, From Their Heart, their Belief IN Him....

They, ARE BY Gods Power become;
Sanctified i.e. Made holy
...1Cor 1:2
Just ie. Justified.
....1Cor 6:11
Good
...1Tim 4:4

How? By the mans confessed submission.
How? By Gods Power.
Why? Because God is preparing the inhabitants For His Kingdom.

Jason, The committed men God IS preparing For His Kingdom - God IS making THEM in His Likeness-

God Is Sinless. God IS Good. God IS Holy. God IS Just.

All what God IS, a natural man IS Not.

However BY God Power Within A Man...
And God Converting a man To spiritual man,
BY His SEED.

The mans Sins Are Forgiven.
God covers the mans Sins.
God remembers the mans Sins No More.
By Gods Power, the Man can Sin No More.

You are trying to teach spiritual things From the perspective of a Natual carnal Mind.

Natural minded teaching comes from the natural minds understanding.

When teaching of spiritual things the understanding comes from the Converted born again Spirit in the mans Heart being taught the understanding OF God BY Gods Spirit in the mans Heart.

Again - God IS Converting Natural men To spiritual men.

Carnal flesh eyes cannot physically SEE...
The Conversion and Transformation.

However a Born Again Spirit Can Know and SEE By Understanding IN His Spirit What God has Done.

JIMINZ is telling you the perspective From His spirit... In preparation for Gods Kingdom,
God HAS FREED Converted men From Sin...
That they Can Sin NO MORE.

God Bless,
Good will for a very blessed and
Merry Christmas to you and yours,

SBC

You do realize that a sin and still be saved gospel is what gives Christianity a bad name, right?
Prosperity preachers, to prostitutes for Jesus. The list of men justifying their sin (with the thinking they have no sin and are saved) goes on and on.

 

[SBC]

You do realize that a sin and still be saved gospel is what gives Christianity a bad name, right?
Prosperity preachers, to prostitutes for Jesus. The list of men justifying their sin (with the thinking they have no sin and are saved) goes on and on.

What I do realize is the paramount LACK of understanding EVEN among the Converted.

Like your Understanding for example....

Who are "they" who think they have no sin ?

Surely you are not thinking FOR someone else so WHO has told you "they" think they have no sin?

God Bless
SBC

 

[JIMINZ]

I will wait for your reply on another question before I respond to this.
Very good. Many Eternal Security proponents I talk with will not admit this to me.
Anyways, if you believe in a standard of Morality, you would not believe in Calvinism because it is forced salvation and forced damnation (Whereby God really does not judge them).

I will wait until you respond to my other question before I reply to this.

Is a saint saved while they are committing a sin?

.
OK, tell me the question that I apparently haven't answered.

AND while your at it, answer this question for me.


The question being, if a Believer is Dead to Sin, how then does a Believer Sin?

Both Paul and Peter say We Are Dead to Sin.

Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being deadto sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Brokenhill]

You seem to have a bit of confusion.

Salvation is a Gift God has MADE Available To everyone. It is everyone's Free Gift
For The "TAKING"!

If you are offered a Free Car, a Free Trip, A Free cup of coffee And Take It, it was yours to have and Take.

If you Do Not Take It, it was Still yours To Have and To Take.

If you Do Not Take or otherwise Claim Your Gift "within" the allotted Timeframe You Lose Your Gift.

Your allotted Timeframe For Taking/Claiming Your Gift of Salvation IS during your own natural Blood lifetime.

Take it/ Claim it during your Blood life time and it is Yours FOREVER.

Don't Take it/ Claim it during your own natural Blood life Time you Shall Lose it FOREVER.

Men do not decide the Conditions Of Gods Gifts. God does.

Gods Gift of Salvation ONCE Received by a man IS permanent.

The man has Zero control to Give it Back!

The mans control is merely to take/claim it in the first place or not.

God Bless
SBC

I partially agree.

Even if I claim my free 2017 Chevy Corvette...that doesn't mean I can't give it to my friend instead 3 years later. Or what if I illegally park my Corvette, and it gets toed away by the City's authority? That would be a better analogy to salvation, because if you pay the repo man/towing company and take whatever driving course needed to reacquire your car, then they give it back (similar to repentance).

Once again, you used no scripture.

God said that there was conditions for receiving the gift AND keeping the gift, as previously shown.

 

[Brokenhill]

I disagree with you saying...

"if you are severed you were on once joined"
Source: Brokenhill

You were naturally born in Sin.
Which is not being Joined To To God.

Adam Was joined To God, being created and made in Gods Likeness with Only the Word of Truth in Him that Adam followed and obeyed and did.

Thereafter - Adam fell away from Gods Likeness - Not Believing and Trusting and Doing according To God.

You were made in the womb in Gods Likeness, but you were naturally born in Adams fallen Likeness.

You were not an individual independent life until you were born and severed from you mothers own individual life, which all Life of a thing called mankind is their Blood.

And it is during a mans individual Blood Life that a man decides to not Believe. Believe or Believe AND Commit To God.

As an individual You get To Choose To become in Gods Likeness Or Not.

God Is Going To Take Your Blood Life.
However You get to choose To Give it To Him voluntarily or Simply Wait For Him To Take it.

Giving Voluntarily means receiving FOREVER life With God.
Not Giving Voluntarily means FOREVER death and separation From God.

Gen 5:1
Gen 5:3
Gen9:1
2 Pet 1
1 Thes 1:4

You were not naturally born in belief, which is ONLY the beginning of receiving Faith from God. ONCE you make a a TRUE heartfelt commitment To God the Whole of you becomes Changed FOREVER and can Not be undone.

ONCE Saved it is FOREVER.

God Bless
SBC

SEVER:
verb (used with object)
1. to separate (a part) from the whole, as by cutting or the like.
2. to divide into parts, especially forcibly; cleave.
3. to break off or dissolve (ties, relations, etc.).
4. Law. to divide into parts; disunite (an estate, titles of a statute, etc.).
5. to distinguish; discriminate between

"You have bene severed from Christ" means that you WERE WHOLE WITH CHRIST, and now you are DIVIDED.

This is simple lanquage!
The Greek work is "apo", defined by Thayer as "of local separation; of separation of a part from the whole". Look it up in an interlinear Bible.

But once again, I partially agree with you. You're right--I chose to believe in God the Father and in Jesus the Son. But I can also choose to deny them in the future:

2 Timothy 2:11-13
"11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself."

He's talking to believers! People who have made a true commitment already!

 

[Brokenhill]

.
Hmmmm

1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that (GOD IS LIGHT), and in him is (NO DARKNESS AT ALL).

This doesn't prove OSAS; and it certainly doesn't mask the 5 verses or so that I've provided that teach that you can choose to forfeit your salvation.

Yes, God is light. But let's look at Luke 11:34
"The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness."

If you allow God's light in...He will fill you up to the brim!!
And yet, you can reject God's light, even once you had previously let Him in. You can choose to take your eyes of God and choose to be filled with darkness