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Are there any magicians who do "real" magic?
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And prior to today and the 36 posts made so far, the last time they were here was July 19, 2019, about the same time the thread died. Perhaps they were caught in a time bubble or some other alimony that transcends time and space.
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I learned a lot from this thread.
Like: chop off your hands because anything you do with them will summon a demon.
Like: chop off your hands because anything you do with them will summon a demon.
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• Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lecture 6 - 14-15 (313-386 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 6 (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"The Inventor Of All Heresy Was Simon Magus : that Simon, who in the Acts of the Apostles thought to purchase with money the unsaleable grace of the Spirit, and heard the words, You have neither part nor lot in this matter, and the rest: concerning whom also it is written, They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us
This man, after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome, and gaining over one Helena a harlot , was the first that dared with blasphemous mouth to say that it was himself who appeared on Mount Sinai as the Father, and afterwards appeared among the Jews, not in real flesh but in seeming , as Christ Jesus, and afterwards as the Holy Spirit whom Christ promised to send as the Paraclete. And he so deceived the City of Rome that Claudius set up his statue, and wrote beneath it, in the language of the Romans, Simoni Deo Sancto, which being interpreted signifies, To Simon the Holy God.
As the delusion was extending, Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right ; and when the supposed god Simon wished to show himself off, they straightway showed him as a corpse. For Simon Promised To Rise Aloft To Heaven, And Came Riding In A Demon Chariot On The Air; but the servants of God fell on their knees, and having shown that agreement of which Jesus spoke, that If two of you shall agree concerning anything that they shall ask, it shall be done unto them,
They Launched The weapon Of Their Concord In Prayer Against Magus, And Struck Him Down To The Earth. And marvellous though it was, yet no marvel. For Peter was there, who carries the keys of heaven : and nothing wonderful, for Paul was there , who was caught up to the third heaven, and into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful far a man to utter. These brought the supposed God down from the sky to earth, thence to be taken down to the regions below the earth. In this man first the serpent of wickedness appeared; but when one head had been cut off, the root of wickedness was found again with many heads."
• Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lectures - Procatechesis Prologue - #2
(313-386 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture Prologue (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"Even Simon Magus once came to the Laver : he was baptized, but was not enlightened; and though he dipped his body in water, he enlightened not his heart with the Spirit: his body went down and came up, but his soul was not buried with Christ, nor raised with Him. Now I mention the statements of (men's) falls, that you may not fall: for these things happened to them by way of example, and they are written for the admonition of those who to this day draw near. Let none of you be found tempting His grace, lest any root of bitterness spring up and trouble you. Let none of you enter saying, Let us see what the faithful are doing: let me go in and see, that I may learn what is being done. Do you expect to see, and not expect to be seen? And do you think that while you are searching out what is going on, God is not searching your heart?"
• Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lecture 3 - On Baptism - #7 (313-386 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 3 (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"But there is perhaps among you some hypocrite, a man-pleaser, and one who makes a pretence of piety, but believes not from the heart; having the hypocrisy of Simon Magus; one who has come hither not in order to receive of the grace, but to spy out what is given: let him also learn from John: And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees, Every tree therefore that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew3:10 The Judge is inexorable; put away your hypocrisy."
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CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 6 (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"The Inventor Of All Heresy Was Simon Magus : that Simon, who in the Acts of the Apostles thought to purchase with money the unsaleable grace of the Spirit, and heard the words, You have neither part nor lot in this matter, and the rest: concerning whom also it is written, They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us
This man, after he had been cast out by the Apostles, came to Rome, and gaining over one Helena a harlot , was the first that dared with blasphemous mouth to say that it was himself who appeared on Mount Sinai as the Father, and afterwards appeared among the Jews, not in real flesh but in seeming , as Christ Jesus, and afterwards as the Holy Spirit whom Christ promised to send as the Paraclete. And he so deceived the City of Rome that Claudius set up his statue, and wrote beneath it, in the language of the Romans, Simoni Deo Sancto, which being interpreted signifies, To Simon the Holy God.
As the delusion was extending, Peter and Paul, a noble pair, chief rulers of the Church, arrived and set the error right ; and when the supposed god Simon wished to show himself off, they straightway showed him as a corpse. For Simon Promised To Rise Aloft To Heaven, And Came Riding In A Demon Chariot On The Air; but the servants of God fell on their knees, and having shown that agreement of which Jesus spoke, that If two of you shall agree concerning anything that they shall ask, it shall be done unto them,
They Launched The weapon Of Their Concord In Prayer Against Magus, And Struck Him Down To The Earth. And marvellous though it was, yet no marvel. For Peter was there, who carries the keys of heaven : and nothing wonderful, for Paul was there , who was caught up to the third heaven, and into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful far a man to utter. These brought the supposed God down from the sky to earth, thence to be taken down to the regions below the earth. In this man first the serpent of wickedness appeared; but when one head had been cut off, the root of wickedness was found again with many heads."
• Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lectures - Procatechesis Prologue - #2
(313-386 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture Prologue (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"Even Simon Magus once came to the Laver : he was baptized, but was not enlightened; and though he dipped his body in water, he enlightened not his heart with the Spirit: his body went down and came up, but his soul was not buried with Christ, nor raised with Him. Now I mention the statements of (men's) falls, that you may not fall: for these things happened to them by way of example, and they are written for the admonition of those who to this day draw near. Let none of you be found tempting His grace, lest any root of bitterness spring up and trouble you. Let none of you enter saying, Let us see what the faithful are doing: let me go in and see, that I may learn what is being done. Do you expect to see, and not expect to be seen? And do you think that while you are searching out what is going on, God is not searching your heart?"
• Cyril of Jerusalem - Catechetical Lecture 3 - On Baptism - #7 (313-386 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: Catechetical Lecture 3 (Cyril of Jerusalem)
"But there is perhaps among you some hypocrite, a man-pleaser, and one who makes a pretence of piety, but believes not from the heart; having the hypocrisy of Simon Magus; one who has come hither not in order to receive of the grace, but to spy out what is given: let him also learn from John: And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees, Every tree therefore that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew3:10 The Judge is inexorable; put away your hypocrisy."
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• St. Justin Martyr - The First Apology - Chapter 26. - (100-165 A.D.)
CHURCH FATHERS: The First Apology (St. Justin Martyr)
"And, thirdly, because after Christ's ascension into heaven the devils put forward certain men who said that they themselves were gods; and they were not only not persecuted by you, but even deemed worthy of honours. There was a Samaritan, Simon, a native of the village called Gitto, who in the reign of Claudius Cæsar, and in your royal city of Rome, Did Mighty Acts Of Magic, By Virtue Of The Art Of The Devils Operating In Him.
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CHURCH FATHERS: The First Apology (St. Justin Martyr)
"And, thirdly, because after Christ's ascension into heaven the devils put forward certain men who said that they themselves were gods; and they were not only not persecuted by you, but even deemed worthy of honours. There was a Samaritan, Simon, a native of the village called Gitto, who in the reign of Claudius Cæsar, and in your royal city of Rome, Did Mighty Acts Of Magic, By Virtue Of The Art Of The Devils Operating In Him.
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But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously Practiced Sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,
• Acts 8:9
• St. Justin Martyr - On Idolatry - Chapter IX - 54-56. (100-165 A.D.)
ANF3 Tertullian On Idolatry
"For thenceforward Simon Magus, just turned believer, (since he was still thinking somewhat of his juggling sect; to wit, that among the miracles of his profession he might buy even the gift of the Holy Spirit through imposition of hands) Was Cursed By The Apostles, And Ejected From The Faith.
Both he and that other magician, who was with Sergius Paulus, (since he began opposing himself to the same apostles) was mulcted with loss of eyes.
The same fate, I believe, would astrologers, too, have met, if any had fallen in the way of the apostles. But yet, When Magic Is Punished, of which astrology is a species, of course the species is condemned in the genus.
After the Gospel, you will nowhere find either sophists, Chaldeans, Enchanters, Diviners, or Magicians, Except As Clearly Punished."
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• Acts 8:9
• St. Justin Martyr - On Idolatry - Chapter IX - 54-56. (100-165 A.D.)
ANF3 Tertullian On Idolatry
"For thenceforward Simon Magus, just turned believer, (since he was still thinking somewhat of his juggling sect; to wit, that among the miracles of his profession he might buy even the gift of the Holy Spirit through imposition of hands) Was Cursed By The Apostles, And Ejected From The Faith.
Both he and that other magician, who was with Sergius Paulus, (since he began opposing himself to the same apostles) was mulcted with loss of eyes.
The same fate, I believe, would astrologers, too, have met, if any had fallen in the way of the apostles. But yet, When Magic Is Punished, of which astrology is a species, of course the species is condemned in the genus.
After the Gospel, you will nowhere find either sophists, Chaldeans, Enchanters, Diviners, or Magicians, Except As Clearly Punished."
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One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge - Wikipedia
I'd consider any of these things mediumship, dowsing, remote viewing, detecting "auras" etc as "magic"
No one was able to prove they could and the challenge had been around for ~20+ years.
I'd so love to see any psychics, or any other magic abilities proven!
I'd consider any of these things mediumship, dowsing, remote viewing, detecting "auras" etc as "magic"
No one was able to prove they could and the challenge had been around for ~20+ years.
I'd so love to see any psychics, or any other magic abilities proven!
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https://jordanville.org/files/Articles/Anathemas.pdf
• To the Masons, the Occultists, Spiritualists, Sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future Through The Sorcerous Invocation Of Demons, ANATHEMA!
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• To the Masons, the Occultists, Spiritualists, Sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future Through The Sorcerous Invocation Of Demons, ANATHEMA!
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Don't forget a few props & stooges (the latter one being a great help in "street magic" )
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