Are there any magicians who do "real" magic?

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

No, it's all trickery. Various levels of entertainment.

Real Sorcerers work with, conjure up and speak with demons like Saint Cyprian did before he converted to Christianity in the 3rd Century A.D.. They are essentially getting evil spirits and fallen angels to do stuff for them :

From : The Lives of Sts. Cyprian and Justina

"On this mountain Cyprian studied all manner of diabolical arts: he mastered various demonic transformations, learned how to change the nature of the air, to bring up winds, produce thunder and rain, disturb the waves of the sea, cause damage to gardens, vineyards and fields, to send diseases and plagues upon people; and in general he learned a ruinous wisdom and diabolical activity filled with evil. In this place he saw A Numberless Legion Of Demons, with the prince of darkness at their head; some stood before him, others served him, still others cried out in praise of their prince, and some were sent into the world in order to corrupt people."


"Believe me," he said; "I have seen the prince of darkness himself, for I propitiated him by sacrifices. I greeted him and spoke with him and his ancients; he liked me, praised my understanding, and before everyone said: 'Here is a new Jambres, always ready for obedience and worthy of communion with us!' And he promised to make me a prince after my departure from the body, and for the course of earthly life to help me in everything. And He Gave Me A Legion Of Demons To Serve Me."


This is how how occultists show Saint Cyprian :

And This is how The Church shows Saint Cyprian with Saint Justina through Icons :

Cyprian and Justina - Wikipedia

 

[archer75]

Real Sorcerers work with, conjure up and speak with demons like Saint Cyprian did before he converted to Christianity in the 3rd Century A.D.. They are essentially getting evil spirits and fallen angels to do stuff for them :

From : The Lives of Sts. Cyprian and Justina

"On this mountain Cyprian studied all manner of diabolical arts: he mastered various demonic transformations, learned how to change the nature of the air, to bring up winds, produce thunder and rain, disturb the waves of the sea, cause damage to gardens, vineyards and fields, to send diseases and plagues upon people; and in general he learned a ruinous wisdom and diabolical activity filled with evil. In this place he saw A Numberless Legion Of Demons, with the prince of darkness at their head; some stood before him, others served him, still others cried out in praise of their prince, and some were sent into the world in order to corrupt people."


"Believe me," he said; "I have seen the prince of darkness himself, for I propitiated him by sacrifices. I greeted him and spoke with him and his ancients; he liked me, praised my understanding, and before everyone said: 'Here is a new Jambres, always ready for obedience and worthy of communion with us!' And he promised to make me a prince after my departure from the body, and for the course of earthly life to help me in everything. And He Gave Me A Legion Of Demons To Serve Me."


This is how how occultists show Saint Cyprian :

And This is how The Church shows Saint Cyprian with Saint Justina through Icons :

Cyprian and Justina - Wikipedia

I thought we were talking about stage magicians. Card tricks, mentalist tricks ("guess your card"), make a ball disappear.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I thought we were talking about stage magicians. Card tricks, mentalist tricks ("guess your card"), make a ball disappear.

Oh, I thought OP was asking if there was such a thing as "Real Magicians" who use "Real Magick".

 

[archer75]

Oh, I thought OP was asking if there was such a thing as "Real Magicians" who use "Real Magick".

Yeah, and I thought this

are there real magic abilities being practiced by anyone currently in Las Vegas or anywhere else you can think of?

meant "is there anyone using demons to simulate stage magic?" And my guess there is: no, people who appear to be doing stage tricks are just doing stage tricks.

James Randi said it well:

"Uri Geller may have psychic powers by means of which he can bend spoons; if so, he appears to be doing it the hard way."

 

[archer75]

I admit I'm curious about these "demonic secrets." It always sounds like a bunch of hokum to me. i.e. delusion without even the participation of demons. Why should demons waste their time when we can fool ourselves so well?

Personally, I think the real demonic magic, at least the kind that I can recognize, is in converse with demons and passions that encourages us to do horrible things that, honestly, no human should be able even to consider. But that's just me.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Is an uncommon level of mastery magic. Some of the yogis can do amazing things but no spirits are involved. It is simply uncommmon skill.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Is an uncommon level of mastery magic. Some of the yogis can do amazing things but no spirits are involved. It is simply uncommmon skill.

Some people use Mudras and Hand Seals to open up doors to the spirit world and channel demons :

The Secrets Behind Martial Arts !

Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that A Certain Slave Girl Possessed With A Spirit Of Divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, "These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation." And this she did for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And he came out that very hour. But when her masters saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities.
• Acts 16:16-19

 

[archer75]

Some people use Mudras and Hand Seals to open up doors to the spirit world :

The Secrets Behind Martial Arts !

How do we know they aren't just putting their hands together, and how is it known that a doorway opens?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

How do we know they aren't just putting their hands together, and how is it known that a doorway opens?

Sometimes it's just coincidental, but other times it's ridiculously obvious :

 

[archer75]

Sometimes it's just coincidental, but other times it's ridiculously obvious :

But...isn't this just something to do with your hands? On what grounds do we think this open doorways?

 

[Desk trauma]

Sometimes it's just coincidental, but other times it's ridiculously obvious :

Oi vey...

 

[Kate30]

Jack Parsons knew the magic path of alchemy more so than most with the help of Alister Crowley and Ron Hubbard. The origins of which made most of our modern rocketry possible today. At least to those of us who know darkness’s ever so well.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

How do we know they aren't just putting their hands together, and how is it known that a doorway opens?

In my opinion it's all about intent. I made certain hand gestures before I knew what they represented like the "Rock On" horns etc.

 

[archer75]

In my opinion it's all about intent. I made certain hand gestures before I knew what they represented like the "Rock On" horns etc.

So...what reason is there to think these people aren't just doing something (innocent) with their hands?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Talismans and other items are used by Sorcerers like Joseph Smith's Occult Jupiter Talisman.
Replicas are Sold Here : Bronze Joseph Smith Jupiter Talisman

Joseph Smith’s Jupiter Talisman – LostMormonism.com

In 1974 Dr. Reed C. Durham, a Mormon and noted scholar of Mormon history gave a lecture entitled, "Is there no help for the Widow's Son?". Durham revealed a medal worn by Joseph Smith and long thought to be a Masonic emblem was, in fact, a Talisman of Jupiter. Smith's Talisman shown below :

Brigham Young's Occult Bloodstone Charm is located at The Pioneer Memorial Museum in Salt Lake City, Utah and was donated by Marian J. Folsom.

https://www.deilataylor.com/brigham-youngs-bloodstone/

Brigham Young's bloodstone, he would wear while traveling to dangerous places. (UDOP museum) : exmormon

Bloodstones explained here :
The Magic of Rocks and Stones - Bloodstone

"Engraved Bloodstone was used by the Babylonians In Divination, and both they and the ancient Egyptians used it to Magickally defeat enemies, usually by employing the stone's abilities to increase personal strength and yet make one "invisible" when they wanted attention focused strategically elsewhere. The Leyden Papyrus declared that "The world has no greater thing than bloodstone," it opens all doors for its owner, breaks down the walls of prisons and averts many disasters. Also known as a Mother Goddess stone, it is associated with images of Isis and Horus and the Black Madonna."

"Bloodstone Is Used In Weather Magick. It can also be A Good Charm for athletes who require added strength. It can be used to dispel bewilderment and clarify obscure thought, allowing you to recognize the beneficial aspects of "turmoil prior to perfection."

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

View attachment 258061 View attachment 258060 Jack Parsons knew the magic path of alchemy more so than most with the help of Alister Crowley and Ron Hubbard. The origins of which made most of our modern rocketry possible today. At least to those of us who know darkness’s ever so well.

Check out this thread : The Church Fathers, Creationism, and Geocentrism

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So...what reason is there to think these people aren't just doing something (innocent) with their hands?

I'm sure that you will be able to tell the difference pretty easily :

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Really ask your self why they call themselves "Grand Wizard", "Grand Dragon"
and why they "Burn Crosses".

Notice the guy using a Mudra / Hand Seal on the left :

 

[Bobber]

I think undoubtedly there are some spiritual manifestations the Magicians are demon stating but you don't want to be quick to make the claim. You might be found to be a fool if the one revealed how they did it none of which involved magic.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Some people are ·wicked and no good [worthless and guilty].
They go around ·telling lies [with crooked mouths],
Winking With Their Eyes, ·tapping with [or scraping]their feet,
and ·Making Signs [pointing; gesturing] With Their Fingers [C a reference to secretive plans or even magic].
• Proverbs 6:12-13 (Expanded Bible)



A man apostate, a man unprofitable, is he who goeth with a wayward mouth;
he beckoneth with the eyes, he trampeth with the foot, he speaketh with the finger,
• Proverbs 6:12-13 (Wycliffe Bible)



Let me describe for you a worthless and a wicked man; first, He Is A Constant Liar; He Signals his True Intentions to his friends With Eyes and Feet and Fingers.
• Proverbs 6:12-13 (Living Bible)

Brigham Young second president of the Mormon Church :