Are there any arguments for creation...

[pitabread]

... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?

edited to add for clarification:

By "creation" I'm referring to the typical supernatural creation stories about the creation of the universe, stars, the planets, life, etc.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The creator spoke to men about what He had done.

 

[SkyWriting]

... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?

Why yes.
Have you ever seen an empty jar fill itself?
Me neither.

Have you ever seen anything nonliving move toward being alive?
Me neither.

Has any science journal proposed a "Law of Nature" that would explain
why life has come from non living materials? Me neither.

Has any Science Journal proposed how living organisms benefit the earth?
Me neither.

If you ask a scientist why life has developed.....following natural processes
is "Is sun shining on mud" a good reason for life to develop?" have you heard an answer? Me neither.

 

[pitabread]

Why yes.
Have you ever seen an empty jar fill itself?
Me neither.

Have you ever seen anything nonliving move toward being alive?
Me neither.

Has any science journal proposed a "Law of Nature" that would explain
why life has come from non living materials? Me neither.

Has any Science Journal proposed how living organisms benefit the earth?
Me neither.

If you ask a scientist why life has developed.....following natural processes
is "Sun shining on mud." a good reason for life to develop, have you heard an answer?
Me neither.

So I guess there really aren't...

:/

 

[pitabread]

The creator spoke to men about what He had done.

So that's it? There are stories about a thing and therefore that thing is true?

 

[SkyWriting]

So I guess there really aren't...

:/

I have been seeking a scientific answer for life for years.
There is no hint ....and we are pretty close to the source of it.
Like since time began for us.

There really is no good excuse for not knowing why life exists from
a scientific standpoint.

I get the lame answer for why we are the only known example of life.
Bu there is no good reason for not knowing why life exists, any more
than not knowing why matter gets warm from the sun.

 

[pitabread]

I have been seeking a scientific answer for life for years.
There is no hint ....and we are pretty close to the source of it.
Like since time began for us.

There really is no good excuse for not knowing why life exists.

This is irrelevant though. Not having a specific scientific answer for something doesn't automatically validate the alternative. All it is is pointing to a gap in human knowledge. So what?

Besides which, origin of life research is ongoing and scientists continually are learning new things about it.

 

[SkyWriting]

This is irrelevant though. Not having a specific scientific answer for something doesn't automatically validate the alternative. All it is is pointing to a gap in human knowledge. So what?

Besides which, origin of life research is ongoing and scientists continually are learning new things about it.

As I said...we should have all the data available.
We can't expect to look for answers on the sun.
We can't explore life while camping on the moon.
There is no mysterious data out of our reach just beyond pluto.
Since we are wallowing in life, the answer should be under every rock you look under.

Just shrugging your shoulders is the incredulity you spoke of.
"The answer is just to obvious for me to see it. I give up. It's a spooky m-y-s-t-e-r-y."


I'm not looking for a confirmed solution to life.
Just some HINT that life would develop on it's own.
Even one unconfirmed hint would be ok.

Ok...how about a LAW of nature....somewhere....that something might develop on it's own.
Randomly, with no intelligent planning.

I'd like to see a-n-y thing, anywhere, over any time, plan itself into existence.

OK...how about a theory on why life MIGHT plan itself into existence?

 

[Carl Emerson]

So that's it? There are stories about a thing and therefore that thing is true?

Did I say that ??

 

[pitabread]

Did I say that ??

Reading between the lines, yup.

 

[SkyWriting]

... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?

So you'd like proof that intelligent beings create stuff?

How many examples would you like?

 

[pitabread]

I'm not looking for a confirmed solution to life.
Just some HINT that life would develop on it's own.
Even one unconfirmed hint would be ok.

I would suggest reading up on contemporary origin of life research.

At any rate, this thread isn't about what science can or can't answer. It's about whether there are any arguments for creation that don't ultimately boil down to arguments from incredulity and/or awe.

So far, I'm not seeing anything to the contrary.

 

[pitabread]

So you'd like proof that intelligent beings create stuff?

How many examples would you like?

I would like an argument that doesn't boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe. Just like I stated in the OP.

Also for clarification, by "creation" I'm referring specifically to creation stories about things like the origin of the universe, the planets, life and the like. I'm not specifically referring to known examples of intelligent design such as what people do.

 

[SkyWriting]

I would like an argument that doesn't boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe. Just like I stated in the OP.
.

My answers are entirely science research based.

Proof that information only comes from intelligent living beings.
How much from space? zero.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Reading between the lines, yup.

Mmmm... I am surprised you accept information gleaned from reading between the lines as evidence...

 

[SkyWriting]

I would like an argument that doesn't boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe.

Pure science and data.

 

[pitabread]

Mmmm... I am surprised you accept information gleaned from reading between the lines as evidence...

I interpret the responses I am given.

So far this thread has been the usual bundle of steaming disappointment.

 

[pitabread]

Pure science and data.

Yeah, I'm putting you on ignore now since you appear to be just trolling this thread.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yeah, I'm putting you on ignore now since you appear to be just trolling this thread.

That won't stop my responses to your op.

 

[Speedwell]

What did you expect? There is no argument for creation except a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories.