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Featured Are RFID chips really the Mark of the Beast? (video)

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Endtime Survivors, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. Endtime Survivors

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    Hi all. The video is roughly 6 minutes long. The title is fairly self-explanatory. I look forward to hearing what others think.

     
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    Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    The problem is that the mark is only 1 of 3 different things that can identify someone as belonging to the beast so there is no one certain thing. I don't believe mark in the hand of forehead is a literal piece of technology. Those things simply represent what you believe in and work for.
     
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    Revelation 13:16
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    So all who worship the beast will indeed receive the mark, it's not 1 out of 3 things.
     
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    It will certainly be used to control buying and selling. Surely that's an important piece of information when trying to understand what the Mark will be in practical terms.
     
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    The context suggests that "all" doesn't literally mean every single person in existence, but rather is an exaggeration meant to indicate most. There's the 144k who don't take it.

    And, of course, the warning not to take it would be pointless if everyone takes it anyway.
     
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    I meant in context to what he was saying, that there would be other things other than the mark for those who worship the beast.

    I didn't mean to imply that everyone will take the mark, sorry for the confusion.
     
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    It has other meanings as well. How do you explain the next verse then which gives three different options.
     
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    Not sure exactly if we're being honest. But the first verse is clear that you will receive a mark if you worship the beast.

    Perhaps 3 "different types"(for lack of a better word) of marks, all equally the same? For example, one mark saying 666, the other having the name, the other a symbol?

    I'm not sure.
     
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    Ahh, I see. Thanks for clarifying. Here's a list of the options:
    REV 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    It's possible that the name and number could be aspects of the Mark and that the account is doing one of those biblical where it really labors the point by repeating the context in similar ways.

    The main point is that one will not be able to buy or sell without these things. It doesn't really matter what shape the Mark will take or exactly what "the number of his name" means because the clearest evidence we have says these things will be connected to buying/selling with the right hand or forehead.
     
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    Or the other way around; receiving the Mark is a sign of worship. Part of the confusion over this example is that people almost always think of worship as attending a special meeting, singing praise songs, praying, bowing down; those things can be examples of worship, but worship is not limited to those things.

    Worship can be shown through day to day practical applications, too, and what could be more worshipful than trusting your life to something? That's what buying and selling is all about. Satan doesn't care about money.

    He cares about turning people away from trusting God. Most people believe they can't live without buying and selling. They will take the Mark because of this belief, which in practical terms shows that it is the Beast's system they trust for their daily bread rather than an invisible God.
     
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    I think it's clear that "all" taking the mark means "all types" not each individual person which is why it lists the small and the great. However, I don't think all of them get the mark in the hand OR the forehead. That alone proves one might get a mark in the forehead while another in the hand. Not all are marked the same way which brings in verse 17 that there are other things than the mark itself :)

    Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
     
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    I found the video really well put together and informative (especially for those who have yet to become aware of these sort of things that are happening). I too believe it will be a RFID or similar chip.

    However I have to ask, what is the maker of the video's stance on eternal security? Because it seems to be saying that Christians who believe in Christ have to take precaution that they too won't receive the mark of the beast, meaning they can lose their salvation.

    I'm one who believes once you believe in Christ, you are sealed, and your allegiance is permanently set. So one who is saved does not need to prepare to refuse the mark, because they already will.

    Not to get into a debate about eternal security of course, if we disagree we disagree, no need to make the thread derailed and instead it would probably be best to find common-grounds and like mindedness on the topic of the mark.
     
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    Ah ok, agree with the word all referring to all different sorts of people.

    However the verse is still saying that they will receive some sort of mark in their right hand or forehead... just that maybe the mark might look different on one than the other?

    I think we agree on that too? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something that you're saying.
     
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    I also think this. I think the most common application will be the right hand, because the right hand makes the most sense for mass inclusion. Most people in the world are right handed and the hand is the most accessible for swiping.

    It also makes sense that at some point, for security and efficiency, that the new tech will become standardized, meaning that the locations in which the chip can be placed will be limited so that people can put them in their feet, or bottoms just to be silly.

    I think some reasonable exceptions to this will be the forehead for amputees, or perhaps as some kind of status symbol, or maybe just to give the feeling of variety.

    It's also possible that some kind of number variation (like a tattoo or whatever) will be available for circumstances in which neither the right hand or forehead are appropriate for some people.
     
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    I'm kind of thinking there are levels of devotion or loyalty in the beasts followers. Why some a mark in the forehead and why some in the hand? Perhaps a mark in the forehead denotes the most loyal? Maybe in the hand denotes loyal as a worker but a lesser one than the forehead marked people? Maybe even lower are those that have the name of the beast or the number of his name? Perhaps it makes sense there are levels among those that worship/follow the beast?
     
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    I agree. What I note is that the seal of God is in the forehead: Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4: but the mark of the beast is in both the forehead and right hand. Like, the seal of God is belief, but no works; while the mark of the beast is, belief combined with works. This calls to remembrance such passages: Romans 4:4-6, Galatians 3:5, Galatians 3:10. Could it be that the seal and the mark are differentiating between those under grace through faith to fruits of the Spirit, and, those under law to works of the flesh?
     
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    Eh, I don't find this convincing and even you get into how the placement will really not matter. Tech already is closer to not needing a chip to be in any certain place but can be scanned no matter where it is. I don't believe the mark will be a chip or technology. I think it's belief related or deception related.
     
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    I don't see it that way. Seal in the forehead is the most solid seal or mark. It will include works as they are all loyal to Christ as we see in Rev 14. I think the beast is willing to accept lesser believer so some marked in the forehead, some marked in the hand and not forehead. That's just a new idea I am juggling but so far it makes sense to me and explains the various scriptures on marks and dif places and names and etc.
     
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    It is not my experience, either from my own personal life, or from what I read in the example of Jesus and his followers, that once some level of spirituality is reached (e.g. being saved) that we no longer need to think about how we behave or what choices we're confronted with.

    The Mark warning is clear for a reason. The opening sentence of the Revelation says it is a Revelation to the saints. If God is going to prevent all true believers from taking the Mark anyway, then the warning becomes pointless.

    Even in the gospels the disciples struggled all throughout their walk with God. And no point did their relationship with God guarantee that they would never do wrong again, and when they did do wrong, they were expected to be accountable for it (i.e. Jesus pulling three apologies from Peter for his denial).

    People will find all kinds of tempting, soothing doctrines to justify taking the Mark. I doubt most people will even recognize it as the Mark. Think about it, Cody. The Mark represents buying/selling.

    The RFID chip is being marketed as just another progression of the monetary system. Taking it will seem like getting a new bank card or whatever; normal. Ordinary.

    And Christians will line up to take it thinking, "Well, if this is the Mark then surely God won't let me take it". It's terrible logic, because it puts all the responsibility back onto God, and I guarantee you he won't be badgered into taking responsibility for our decisions. Yes, he will help and protect us, but he won't be manipulated into covering for our bad choices.
     
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    No, I suggested that from a monetary, banking point of view it will be more efficient and more secure to standardize the location of the chip. Most of the world is right handed and the hand is the most swipe-accessable appendage on the body.

    I suggested that there will almost certainly be exceptions and that the forehead will make-do as an alternative for circumstances like amputees. Or, perhaps the forehead will be reserved for a governmental or social status issue, or maybe just as an issue of vanity.

    Right hand or forehead. I don't see how you got, "you said the placement won't really matter".

    Sure, it's possible to scan a chip no matter where it's put on the body, but why is that even an issue here? The prophecy says there are two possible locations. I gave some reasons for why those locations make sense in real-world practical terms. What did you think of those reasons?