Are Psychological Abnormalities a part of Christian Apologetics?

[muichimotsu]

You know that word ^ and the word "science" are related...it's true...same genome...

That's what happens when one scientizes everything...

Uh you couldn't be more wrong, schism is Greek and science is Latin, the meanings are vastly different: schism is to separate, schizein (schizophrenia has that root), while science is know, scire, totally different families of language, the closest connection is transliteration and translation over time, which is coincidental

 

[muichimotsu]

That's a strange thing to say when we all know it's either created or if it unintentionally emerged somehow.

That's still a false dichotomy and assuming that the universe is indeterminate in the "chance" insinuation rather than nature not requiring intent to function, that's anthropic principle coloring argumentation too easily

 

[Tone]

Uh you couldn't be more wrong, schism is Greek and science is Latin, the meanings are vastly different: schism is to separate, schizein (schizophrenia has that root), while science is know, scire, totally different families of language, the closest connection is transliteration and translation over time, which is coincidental

"schism (n.)
late 14c., scisme, "dissension within the church," from Old French scisme, cisme "a cleft, split" (12c.), from Church Latin schisma, from Greek skhisma (genitive skhismatos) "division, cleft," in New Testament applied metaphorically to divisions in the Church (I Corinthians xii.25), from stem of skhizein "to split" (from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split"). Spelling restored 16c., but pronunciation unchanged. Often in reference to the Great Schism (1378-1417) in the Western Church."
schism | Origin and meaning of schism by Online Etymology Dictionary

"science (n.)
mid-14c., "what is known, knowledge (of something) acquired by study; information;" also "assurance of knowledge, certitude, certainty," from Old French science "knowledge, learning, application; corpus of human knowledge" (12c.), from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split" (source also of Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate")."
science | Origin and meaning of science by Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[muichimotsu]

"schism (n.)
late 14c., scisme, "dissension within the church," from Old French scisme, cisme "a cleft, split" (12c.), from Church Latin schisma, from Greek skhisma (genitive skhismatos) "division, cleft," in New Testament applied metaphorically to divisions in the Church (I Corinthians xii.25), from stem of skhizein "to split" (from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split"). Spelling restored 16c., but pronunciation unchanged. Often in reference to the Great Schism (1378-1417) in the Western Church."
schism | Origin and meaning of schism by Online Etymology Dictionary

"science (n.)
mid-14c., "what is known, knowledge (of something) acquired by study; information;" also "assurance of knowledge, certitude, certainty," from Old French science "knowledge, learning, application; corpus of human knowledge" (12c.), from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split" (source also of Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate")."
science | Origin and meaning of science by Online Etymology Dictionary

And the mere sharing of those roots in PIE means what? Nothing. Language evolves, words can have roots without it being some symbolic significance that humans attribute irrationally to it.

If you want to think that science involves schisming, then fine, I admit I schism between what is demonstrably false and what is demonstrably true, because that's knowledge, science, versus belief, rooted in mere faith or trust rather than evidence

 

[Tone]

And the mere sharing of those roots in PIE means what? Nothing. Language evolves, words can have roots without it being some symbolic significance that humans attribute irrationally to it.

If you want to think that science involves schisming, then fine, I admit I schism between what is demonstrably false and what is demonstrably true, because that's knowledge, science, versus belief, rooted in mere faith or trust rather than evidence

"science (n.)
mid-14c., "what is known, knowledge (of something) acquired by study; information;" also "assurance of knowledge, certitude, certainty," from Old French science "knowledge, learning, application; corpus of human knowledge" (12c.), from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE root *skei- "to cut, split" (source also of Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate")."
science | Origin and meaning of science by Online Etymology Dictionary

If you didn't like that ^...you're really not gonna like this one:

"scythe (n.)
Old English siðe, sigði, from Proto-Germanic *segitho "sickle" (source also of Middle Low German segede, Middle Dutch sichte, Old High German segensa, German Sense), from PIE root *sek- "to cut." The sc- spelling crept in early 15c., from influence of Latin scissor "carver, cutter" and scindere "to cut." Compare French scier "saw," a false spelling from sier."


Creation is the martyr...science is the scythe...

*Family trees...

 

[dzheremi]

What is even going on in this wacky thread?

Etymology does not work this way.

 

[Tone]

What is even going on in this wacky thread?

Etymology does not work this way.

Words are like trees and people...they can relate...I'm just pointing out some connections.


*Linguistic Apologetics

 

[muichimotsu]

Words are like trees and people...they can relate...I'm just pointing out some connections.


*Linguistic Apologetics

Relationships do not entail causal chains in terms of words and their etymology versus usage

 

[Tone]

Relationships do not entail causal chains in terms of words and their etymology versus usage

Did you click the link?

 

[muichimotsu]

Did you click the link?

My point still stands, you can't act like language works in a prescriptivist fashion or shift the goalposts in your favor to act like the way ancient people understood "God" must be how people today understand the same concept

Apologetics should stand on the merit of arguments, not rhetorical tactics

 

[FireDragon76]

Why do atheists even care if we believe? It seems like they are organized and making a joint effort to spread the good news of atheism. I don't get why unless they really do believe that something is wrong with theists.

Because some ideas and attitudes are genuinely harmful to our world. Blind faith and authoritarianism associated with Christianity (or any monotheistic religion) are part of that.