Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

[namohcam]

Likewise if you’re going to say Christians must not gather on Sundays to celebrate the Lord’s resurrection, And you didn’t write that rule, you better be able to point me to the rule you are admonishing me to follow.

The problem is you have no such rule that you can reference in scripture or otherwise.

Maybe it is your own rule that you made up all by yourself?

It's just a great big straw man! What's wrong with gathering on Sunday?

 

[Der Alte]

Is it fair to demand answers to questions when you give none yourself? What about the force issue? When did I say Christ was not our Passover and Firstfruits? I was clear that only the last item (the Sabbath) was eisegesis. Why would I observe ceremonial laws? They are shadows that have their fulfillment in Christ. He is not the fulfillment of the other nine commandments, so why would He be the fulfillment of the 4th?

Force-demand same thing.
What do you mean "I give none myself?" I quoted scripture in support of what I said.
When Jesus said "come unto me and I will give you rest." He more than likely was speaking Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "rest" is "Shabbat." What greater Shabbat can we have other than Jesus?
I wonder how all former pagan gentile Christians in Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. would have known to observe the seventh day Sabbath?
There is no mention of it in the letters to them or instruction to observe the seventh day Sabbath. They didn't have a NT it was being written as they lived it and they did not have the OT.
And OBTW do you observe all the feasts and festivals listed in the OT?

 

[parousia70]

What's wrong with gathering on Sunday?

Nothing. What time on Sundays are SDA worship gatherings usually?

I have yet to be able to find one.

We Catholics, on the other hand, like the apostles, officially gather to break bread every day, with the Saturday Sabbath intentionally set aside for a special Sabbath vigil.

I think it would be beneficial, and Biblical, if the SDA's would simply do likewise.
But they appear to reject such a vigorous, complete religious worship calendar.

 

[namohcam]

Force-demand same thing.
What do you mean "I give none myself?" I quoted scripture in support of what I said.
When Jesus said "come unto me and I will give you rest." He more than likely was speaking Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "rest" is "Shabbat." What greater Shabbat can we have other than Jesus?
I wonder how all former pagan gentile Christians in Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. would have known to observe the seventh day Sabbath?
There is no mention of it in the letters to them or instruction to observe the seventh day Sabbath. They didn't have a NT it was being written as they lived it and they did not have the OT.
And OBTW do you observe all the feasts and festivals listed in the OT?

If you don't read my posts how can we communicate meaningfully? You're asking questions I've already answered.

 

[namohcam]

Nothing. What time on Sundays are SDA worship gatherings usually?

Who said Seventh-day Adventists gather on Sundays on a regular basis? When we do, it's usually a work bee.

I think it would be beneficial, and Biblical, if the SDA's would simply do likewise.

No, not at all, really. We've covered that, haven't we?

 

[namohcam]

Force-demand same thing.

Who's demanding anything? Not me.

 

[parousia70]

Who said Seventh-day Adventists gather on Sundays on a regular basis? .

They clearly don't. As I said they appear to reject such a complete, apostolic religious calendar.

No, not at all, really. We've covered that, haven't we?

Well, we've certainly covered the fact that SDA's prefer a watered down religious calendar to that of the apostles.

 

[bbbbbbb]

What does Hebrews 10:26-31 mean to you?

Taken out of context, by itself alone, it means that you are personally, eternally lost and cannot be saved.

You might demur, but the fact is that you have willfully and intentionally broken God's commandments in thought, if not word and deed.

 

[namohcam]

They clearly don't. As I said they appear to reject such a complete, apostolic religious calendar.



Well, we've certainly covered the fact that SDA's prefer a watered down religious calendar to that of the apostles.

Why all the hostility and smearing? I bear you no ill will.

 

[newwaytobehuman]

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20
God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws. God personally spoke them and wrote them with His own finger and God's laws are universal, the only commandment people seem to take issue with is the one God told us to REMEMBER which is the one commandment people want to forget because they value tradition over God's spoken and written Word.
The Sabbath commandment is not off topic because Jesus told us to keep the commandments, teaching others the least of the commandments come with some consequences Matthew 5:19 and breaking a commandment is sin even in the New Testament 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and not sure why so many people take issue with God's holy day that He wants to spend time with us. Yes you can spend time with Him on other days but is your birthday more special to you on your birthday or a day that is more convenient for your loved one. It's a simple request that God asked not sure why more people don't embrace. God was specific about one tree and not obeying had a consequence for all of us. God is giving us a second chance- we should take it and obey.
We will have to agree to disagree.
God bless

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

Exodus 20:8
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;​

I like to keep it as a rest day. Just no arduous work of possible but a time to recharge my batteries . I don't have a list of rules for it just to keep it restful and Jesus as the focus

 

[newwaytobehuman]

For me I know I belong to Jesus whichever day great or worship on, i don't keep the day to be saved.

Just I consider it made for us to enjoy

The Sabbath was made for man. Or guinea pig, in my case!

 

[newwaytobehuman]

Sorry about they typos, I have slight tremor in my paws!

 

[Der Alte]

Sorry about they typos, I have slight tremor in my paws!

Me too. Had to give up playing the guitar fingers don't cooperate.

 

[The Liturgist]

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.
All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

Exodus 20:8
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;​

This is completely correct. As I have said repeatedly, for Christians, proper observance of the Sabbath is the remembrance of God reposing in the Holy Sepulcher after His crucifixion, before He rose from the dead on Pascha (Easfer Sunday).

 

[The Liturgist]

Me too. Had to give up playing the guitar fingers don't cooperate.

I was diagnosed recently with a degenerative disorder of my tendons which normally is detected in children, but in my case was not noticed until now, that I am in my forties. Please pray for me, because the condition can also be fatal due to the risk of aneurysms or ruptures in the major blood vessels.

 

[parousia70]

Why all the hostility and smearing? I bear you no ill will.

Nor do I you.
Not smearing anyone or being hostile.

Just pointing out the facts.
The Apostles' officially Met to break bread and worship together every day.

Catholics do as well.

SDA's plainly Don't, which is fine, but as soon as one wades into the fray by claiming one particular day of Worship (Saturday) is to be revered over another (Sunday), then one opens their view up to scrutiny, correction and reproof by having it held, out in the open, to the apostolic, Biblical standard.

The Catholics, Baptists, presbyterians, Methodists, Orthodox, etc are not the ones saying to the SDA's "You're wrong for worshiping on Saturday", rather its the SDA's who say to the rest of us, "You're wrong for Worshiping on Sunday".

We Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Orthodox, etc all Will CHAMPION your Choice for Saturday Worship.

Just would be Nice if the SDA's would Likewise CHAMPION our Choice to Worship Sunday (or Tuesday... Friday...etc) instead of Meeting that Choice with Hostility and smearing such as calling Sunday worship the Mark of the Beast, etc....

 

[Norbert L]

And what would that be? You have only been provided God's Word. How then can Gods' Word bear false witness against Gods' Word? That does not make any sense now does it?

Look at your own choice of words. Somehow the the knowledge that the Sinai covenant doesn't apply to gentiles, both of which Eisha and the Jerusalem council understood, translated into: "Gods' Word bear false witness against Gods' Word".

It's what I call a crabs in the bucket. Where every time there's chance for a fact that shows how to escape the slavery of the bucket. Some other unrelated thought from the bottom claws and grabs it to pull it back in.

 

[namohcam]

rather its the SDA's who say to the rest of us, "You're wrong for Worshiping on Sunday".

No, it's the Bible that's saying it.

 

[namohcam]

its the SDA's who say to the rest of us, "You're wrong for Worshiping on Sunday".

It's not fun. This is why we do it:

Ezekiel 33:6 Parallel: But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

We Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Orthodox, etc all Will CHAMPION your Choice for Saturday Worship.

Not for long, I'm afraid.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, it's the Bible that's saying it.

Hmmm. Precisely where in the Bible does God command Christians to engage in nineteenth-century Protestant American religious practices on Saturday only?