Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

tall73 said:
Note @LoveGodsWord that is how you speak plainly. Now you may follow suit. Do you think that MMX is lost if he rejects the Sabbath?

It is not a yes and no answer because in times of ignorance God winks at and God does not hold us accountable to sin until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word (Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17) and we choose to reject His Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-27 at which time we harden our hearts to grieve and quench the Spirit of God's grace. Everyone has opportunity to turn back to God and repent from their sins and it is only those who remain unrepentant for their sins to the end that will be lost according to the scriptures. As it is written "Little children these things I write unto you that you sin not, if any man sins we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ the righteous" - see 1 John 2:1-4. God does not hold us accountable for sin until we know it is sin. We are not in a saved state before God if we are living in a life of known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-31

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

tall73 said:
If one continues in adultery and does not repent and be cleansed, then they will not inherit the kingdom of God.Now I want you to be equally clear. Will someone who rejects the Sabbath inherit the kingdom of God? That is what MMX asked you, and you won't tell him.

Exactly so in our example above in God's 7th commandment (adultery) *Exodus 20:14 from God's 10 commandments it is written in the scriptures that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 because God's law gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20 and sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4.

So if we continue in known unrepentant sin breaking Gods' 7th commandment as you have rightly pointed out we will be lost because it is written in the scriptures; "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." - see Hebrews 10:26-31; Hebrews 6:4-8; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4 etc.

Now in the above example we are discussing Gods' 7th commandment of adultery from Gods' 10 commandments and are in agreement that if we continue in known unrepentant sin once God gives us a knowledge of the truth remaining unrepentant we are not in a saved state with God we are at that moment without repentance and Gods' forgiveness and lost in our sins preferring our sins over the Words of God.

Now let's apply this to Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that is also one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken. If someone has been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and they reject Gods' Word in regards to Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath *Exodus 20:8-11, and continues in known unrepentant sin breaking Gods' 4th commandment are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God according to the scriptures? Let's apply the same thought process as we have just done with Adultery above as we are talking about Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

tall73 said:
Of course it has to do with the conversation, as your question in answer to a question demonstrated.

Actually no it doesn't we were discussing and contrasting Gods 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 with the Mosaic shadow laws for remission of sins. Eating pork does not have anything to do with this topic. It is just another distraction as no one has ever said everything from the old covenant is now deleted and not a requirement under the new covenant.

tall73 said:
You indicated the ten show us what is sin in the new covenant. But it is not just the ten. You keep saying no one is making the argument that the ten are the only commands that talk about love to your neighbor. But then you turn right around and say it is the ten that show what sin is under the new covenant.
So is the command against relations with your close relative not in place in the NT? Paul calls out a man in I Corinthians 5 regarding this sin. Clearly it still tells us what is sin, even under the new covenant. So why do you keep going back to the ten as the guide, and then when anyone calls you out you say you agree, then go right back to the ten again? You say it is not part of the conversation. It is, and we have mentioned it again and again. You may not want it to be part of the conversation, but that is so that you can just talk about the ten all day and not look at the larger issues of how you know a law is still binding if some are fulfilled, and some are not. This is the baseline issue.

Your making arguments of distraction again that no one is arguing about. According to Jesus we are to live by every Word that comes out of the mouth of God. All of Gods 10 commandments proceeded out of the mouth of God including Gods' 4th commandment *Exodus 20:1-17 which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant *Romans 3:20. The Word of God says that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 and it is also through the law (God's 10 commandments) we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 7:7.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

Der Alte said:
Wrong premise.
Wrong summary.
Wrong conclusion.
In your note to Acts 15:2 you used "weather" instead of "whether."
Now let us review Acts 15 without a the SDA bias.
The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT but it is never mentioned in Acts through Revelation, in the writings specifically for gentile Christians.
Here are all the commandments specifically for gentile Christians. See e.g. Acts 15:1, 5, 1, 20-22, 15:24, 28:29-28, 21:24-26.

Acts 15:1
1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
The only requirement in this vs. is circumcision, nothing about the Sabbath.

Acts 15:5
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
The requirements stated in this vs. are “circumcision” and “keep the law of Moses.” Which would be difficult unless they were also given the law of Moses. No record that gentile Christians were ever provided with copies of Old Testament law.

Acts 15:10
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Here Paul, a Jew, refers to the requirements of the Pharisees as "a yoke upon the neck of the disciples that the fathers were not able to bear."

Acts 15:20-21
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The disciples listed only four requirements for gentile proselytes "abstain from pollutions of idols, fornication, things strangled and from blood."
No mention of Sabbath keeping. And note, vs. 21 does not mean the proselytes would be attending synagogues. Paul is certainly not so confused that he would call obeying the law of Moses a yoke that even the Jews could not bear and then a few sentences later say gentiles must attend synagogues where the Jews would be enforcing those very laws.

Acts 15:24
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Note Paul says they gave no such commandment i.e. "You must be circumcised, and keep the law."

Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
These four only requirements are stated twice but there is no command for gentiles to keep the Sabbath? Paul, Barnabas, Judas Barsabas and Silas, said "no greater burden than these [four only] necessary things." No Sabbath command.

Acts 21:24-25
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
vs.24 Paul preparing to take the Nazarite vow, vs. 24-25 "you [Paul] yourself walk orderly, and keep the law. Concerning the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing," i.e. "keep the law."
And they repeat the four only requirements for gentiles "save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication." Note, again only four requirements for gentiles and again there is no mention of Sabbath keeping for gentiles.
Because it is so lengthy the next post from, the Jewish Encyclopedia showing the historic Jewish attitude about gentiles, the law and the Sabbath.

This post is repetition that was addressed in detail in post # 624 linked here. So no need to re-post everything all over again. As shown earlier through the scriptures Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 is over the question is circumcision a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers, not over the question is God's 10 commandments still a requirement and standard for Christians living that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. An interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 being applied to and talking about Gods' 10 commandments being abolished has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision of Jerusalem to the Corinthians gentile believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God. We should be careful here because Gods' Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) according to the scripture *1 John 2:3-4. For it is through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 that Paul calls holy, just and good *Romans 7:12.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

Der Alte said:
People here argue that gentiles regularly attended synagogues and learned Torah. Here from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Jewish Encyclopedia – Gentile
Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone,"
Simon ben Yoḥai is preeminently the anti-Gentile teacher. In a collection of three sayings of his, beginning with the keyword

(Yer. Ḳid. 66c; Massek. Soferim xv. 10; Mek., Beshal-laḥ, 27a; Tan., Wayera, ed. Buber, 20), is found the expression, often quoted by anti-Semites, "Ṭob shebe-goyyim harog" (="The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed").
Assi is the author of the injunction not to instruct the Gentile in the Torah (Ḥag. 13a).
The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.)
Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death" (an idiom used to express indignation).
According to R. Eliezer, the maxim "Love, benevolence ["ḥesed"] exalteth a nation" refers to Israel; while whatever charity the Gentiles practise is really sinful, the motive being self-glorification. Joshua is of the same opinion, alleging that whatever charitable action the Gentiles do is done to extend their kingdom. Gamaliel also expresses himself to the same effect, adding that the Gentiles, by their impure motive, incur the penalty of Gehenna. Eleazar of Modi'im sides with him, saying that "the Gentiles practise benevolence merely to taunt Israel."
Gamaliel is credited with the same opinion in B. B. 10b). The persecutions which, at the instigation of Judæo-Christians, Eliezer had suffered at the hands of the Romans may explain his attitude, as well as his opinion that the Gentiles have no share in the life to come (Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 2; Sanh. 105a).
Simon ben Jose likens Israel to a stone, and the Gentiles to a potsherd (Isa. xxx. 14), applying the proverb: "If the stone falls on the pot, wo to the pot; if the pot falls on the stone, wo to the pot."
"not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" (

="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)

GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

There is a difference between a gentile believer and a gentile. None of what you posted here says anywhere that gentile believers were not allowed to hear the Word of God on the Sabbath. In Judaism A "gate proselyte" or "gentile at the gate" was a resident alien or foreigner who lived in the Lands of the Israelite people and follows some of the Jewish customs. They were not required to be circumcised nor to comply with the whole of the Torah. (more info here and here linked).

Take Care.

Der Alte · Sep 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes, from month to month and from one Sabbath to another ALL FLESH (not just Jews) will worship our Savior in Heaven and the New Earth on His holy Sabbath day. Should we not prepare NOW to do this? God's saint already keep God's commandments and faith in Jesus so this won't be new. Revelations 14:12
The disciples and Jesus kept the Sabbath as an example for us.
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4
Agreed. Do you know the difference between the law of Moses and the Law of God? Paul is not so confused when He tells us what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19
It's a fact that the 4th commandment is part of the commandments of God so it is mentioned three times in Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12, Revelations 22:14.
It's also mentioned here
Revelations 14: 6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
This is a direct reference to the 4th commandment:
Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
What is your point you are trying to make with this scriptures. None of these delete the 4th commandment. This is what will happen to the people who keep the commandments of God. The devil goes to war with the remnant church of God that keeps the commandments. Revelations 12:17 The people who will be going against the commandment keepers will be falsely thinking they are doing God's service but it is not God's service they will be doing it is the "other spirit" because God says Blessed are those that DO His commandment which of course include keeping the Holy day of the Lord thy God that God told us to Remember and we will be keeping in Heaven and the New Earth Isaiah 66:23. God bless

Please stop wasting my time repeating the same thing over and over and over. Repetition doesn't make it right and it certainly does not convince me of anything.
The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the gospels alone. The Sabbath is never mentioned in Acts through the end of Revelation. If as you keep insisting every one of those letters should have emphasized the Sabbath theway you guys do. But they don't.
There is no record of the gentile Christians in Rome, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessalonica, Corinth, Colossae etc. receiving the OT. They certainly were not told about the Sabbath.
Nothing you have said or could say changes this.
Nothing absolutely nothing in Acts says or even hints at gentile Christians attending synagogues.

parousia70 · Sep 29, 2021

HIM said:
Not so. "These things" in the first clause refers to the Temple and then they made a distinctive separation between it, the Second coming and the end of the world by the use of the word "and".
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Please demonstrate how that Interpretation Harmonizes with the Parallel passages in Mark and Luke:

Mark 13:4
“Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”

Luke 21:7
7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

Where can we find this distinctive separation in these passages?

GenemZ · Sep 29, 2021

For those who insist upon Christians keeping the Sabbath?

Then the newly converted males must also be circumcised.
Anyone caught in adultery must be taken into the town center and stoned to death.

Stop with hypocrisy that would cripple God's grace if it is to work with those who should learn to walk in the Spirit.

We are no longer Jews nor Gentiles in Christ.

So why do some try to live like a Jew was supposed to?

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation:
The old has gone, the new is here!

2 Cor 5:17

We have become a new creation in Christ! We are not to live as the Jews did.

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

Gal 5:18

So, we as Christians must stop with what was once required of the old man .... The Law is not to be our god of our life.

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."

Prov 12:1

(The Word of God is not politically correct)

(So, give the Word of God the warning! )

grace and peace ........

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

Der Alte said:
Please stop wasting my time repeating the same thing over and over and over. Repetition doesn't make it right and it certainly does not convince me of anything.

I know your post here is to someone else but did you not just do the same thing your accusing others of doing in post # 883 that was addressed along time ago in post # 624 linked?

GenemZ · Sep 29, 2021

Der Alte said:
Please stop wasting my time repeating the same thing over and over and over. Repetition doesn't make it right and it certainly does not convince me of anything.
The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the gospels alone. The Sabbath is never mentioned in Acts through the end of Revelation. If as you keep insisting every one of those letters should have emphasized the Sabbath theway you guys do. But they don't.
There is no record of the gentile Christians in Rome, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessalonica, Corinth, Colossae etc. receiving the OT. They certainly were not told about the Sabbath.
Nothing you have said or could say changes this.
Nothing absolutely nothing in Acts says or even hints at gentile Christians attending synagogues.

The flesh can not think with God. The flesh can only obey and do... Religious flesh desires Law.

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Are you sure? (Isaiah 1:13)

Do you not know what days were established as reciprocals for immorality? Not the sabbath day of the Lord God sanctified [not man]. God bless you.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

genez said:
For those who insist upon Christians keeping the Sabbath?

Then the newly converted males must also be circumcised.
Anyone caught in adultery must be taken into the town center and stoned to death.

Stop with hypocrisy that would cripple God's grace if it is to work with those who should learn to walk in the Spirit.

We are no longer Jews nor Gentiles in Christ.

So why do some try to live like a Jew was supposed to?

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation:
The old has gone, the new is here!

2 Cor 5:17

We have become a new creation in Christ! We are not to live as the Jews did.

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

Gal 5:18

So, we as Christians must stop with what was once required of the old man .... The Law is not to be our god of our life.

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."

Prov 12:1

(The Word of God is not politically correct)

(So, give the Word of God the warning! )

grace and peace ........

We should keep in mind here that no one is in Christ or a new creature by knowingly breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and living in a life of known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; Matthew 7:21-23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:1-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14

Take Care.

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
It helps to understand the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment of God and the annual yearly sabbath(s) festivals found in Leviticus. Many erroneously intentionally or unintentionally mis up these two Sabbaths.

Typo displace mis with mix.

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
We are only being gracious in granting you the option. And we should. However...

The reality is... anyone that observes the Sabbath does so because they believe they are commanded to do so. What does this say about those who don't choose to do that? (lawbreakers and sinners, pagan idolators, sungod-day worshipers, bowing at the altars of Baal, hell-bound unbelievers, Babylon the Harlot) Gee, thanks. That's what we get for being so tolerant of you.

Do you not know that who you choose to obey you are a servant of? Whether sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 29, 2021

genez said:
The flesh can not think with God. The flesh can only obey and do... Religious flesh desires Law.

All the flesh (carnal mind) can do is break Gods' law (Romans 3:9-20). The lusts of the flesh therefore is what we are to deny according to the scriptures because if we live according to the flesh we will die *Romans 8:1-4; Romans 8:13; Romans 6:23. The Greek word used for flesh here is σάρξ; sárx and means to be carnally minded or carnal mind or sinful human nature. We need therefore to be renewed in the Spirit of our mind *Ephesians 4:23; Romans 7:25 to be born again to believe and follow Gods' Word. Those who are born again according to the scriptures do not live a life of practicing known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9. According to the scriptures therefore if we are living in a life of breaking Gods' commandments we do not know God and are not telling the truth if we think we do according to 1 John 2:3-4. According to John sin which is defined as the breaking of Gods' law is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Take Care.

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
We are only being gracious in granting you the option. And we should. However...

The reality is... anyone that observes the Sabbath does so because they believe they are commanded to do so. What does this say about those who don't choose to do that? (lawbreakers and sinners, pagan idolators, sungod-day worshipers, bowing at the altars of Baal, hell-bound unbelievers, Babylon the Harlot) Gee, thanks. That's what we get for being so tolerant of you.

I appreciate you being tolerant of the truth. God bless you.

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Where are the instructions about these things in the New Testament?

Do you not know when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments and his are the same as his Father's?

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Like I wrote earlier, you guys NEVER quote Deuteronomy for the TCs. It is obvious why. (doesn't support your case) Says "observe" not "remember". (in the NIV anyway)

Do you not know all God's commandments are to be remembered and kept aside from the ones fulfilled in Christ?

Hezekiah81 · Sep 29, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Is Moses interpretation off? Or did he get it right?

Do you not know the Messiah is our teacher and quoted straight from torah?

Saint Steven · Sep 29, 2021

Hezekiah81 said:
I appreciate you being tolerant of the truth. God bless you.

Thanks for being so intolerant of those outside your little tribe. "Who is my neighbor?" (Luke 10:29)

Saint Steven said: ↑
We are only being gracious in granting you the option. And we should. However...

The reality is... anyone that observes the Sabbath does so because they believe they are commanded to do so. What does this say about those who don't choose to do that? (lawbreakers and sinners, pagan idolators, sungod-day worshipers, bowing at the altars of Baal, hell-bound unbelievers, Babylon the Harlot) Gee, thanks. That's what we get for being so tolerant of you.

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