"AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless"

[wing2000]

OAC demands one thing for others while being a hypocrite and not following her own demands for others. She is an elitist who thinks her own rules do not apply to her. That's an elitist mentality. I'm not sure how many times we have to explain it to you.

Did OAC demand others to wear mask while consuming beverages in an outdoor bar recently? If so, the hypocrite label applies. btw, I know plenty of "common folk" who are guilty of this as well....

 

[Sparagmos]

Have you looked at those pictures? She's not eating and drinking in them.

I have t seen any pictures. I saw a video and didn’t see her in it, and it was outdoors so masks aren’t required. Also, “when eating and drinking,” inky very strict city means when you’re sitting at the table. No one puts masks on between bites or courses.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Would it? AOC has done nothing wrong, then -- and yet she is demonized... for what? #wheninRome

For her hypocrisy. Are you not paying attention to the thread?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You'd be hard pressed to find Democrats doing that, too... even AOC.

Gavin Newsom and Gretch Whitmer are two right off the bat.

 

[Sparagmos]

I can’t believe this far into the thread and for the life of me I can’t identify what mask rule she broke. No one wears masks when seated at a table at a restaurant or bar outdoors or indoors. Masks aren’t required outdoors. So what did she do exactly?

 

[TLK Valentine]

For her hypocrisy. Are you not paying attention to the thread?

I'm paying attention to a lot of things.

The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.

Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Gavin Newsom and Gretch Whitmer are two right off the bat.

I'm sure the anti-vaxx crowd will reward you handsomely for reporting either of them without a mask.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm paying attention to a lot of things.

The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.

Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.

I believe that is the point.

She promotes masking on the basis of her own belief that not doing so kills people, and by not masking you are an actual killer - ie. responsible for the death of others, whether or not you knowingly have COVID, because you could be asymptomatic and pass it to someone else who is likewise asymptomatic and somewhere an innocent grandmother dies.

So she goes to a place that doesn't believe this ideology, and although she does, she doesn't care who she kills because they didn't vote her into office nor do they agree with her opinion.

This says a lot about the mindset you think she has... And everything about your own mindset concerning what you feel is appropriate thinking and conduct towards those who disagree with you since you seem to be saying she was in the right to be thinking this about people who don't believe the same.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I believe that is the point.

She promotes masking on the basis of her own belief that not doing so kills people, and by not masking you are an actual killer - ie. responsible for the death of others, whether or not you knowingly have COVID.

If you say so.

Personally, I think she's trying to justify the laws implemented by the New York legislatures -- or have we forgotten that AOC doesn't actually have the authority to pass any laws in New York State?

As she is not in New York, she is not bound to support their rules -- especially among a population that resents and rejects those rules.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If you say so.

Personally, I think she's trying to justify the laws implemented by the New York legislatures -- or have we forgotten that AOC doesn't actually have the authority to pass any laws in New York State?

As she is not in New York, she is not bound to support their rules -- especially among a population that resents and rejects those rules.

So why argue she simply thinks it's okay to spread COVID to and be responsible for the deaths of those who don't agree with her?

I don't mask if I am not asked to or mandated to, but that's because I legitimately don't believe masking does anything to stop the spread of COVID and if I'm not sick I don't believe in asymptomatic cases (I believe in false positives or a small window of time prior to illness taking full hold where you are sick and don't realize the extent of your illness)

If I legitimately believed in what is touted as the reasons to wear a mask I wouldn't leave the house or come into contact with another human being without wearing a mask.

Why? Because as human beings we have a tendency to live out everything we truly believe...

So those who believe masking among those who are not exhibiting symptoms saves lives yet go without masks either believe it's okay to kill people (whether to prove your point or not), or don't actually believe what they are saying.

I'd like to believe the later of AOC, regardless of disagreeing with her politically.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I can’t believe this far into the thread and for the life of me I can’t identify what mask rule she broke. No one wears masks when seated at a table at a restaurant or bar outdoors or indoors. Masks aren’t required outdoors. So what did she do exactly?

Not following CDC guidelines.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm paying attention to a lot of things.

The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.

Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.

You just don't get it. Most visiting tourists are not legislators or state governors seeking to impose mask and vaccination mandates with legal consequences.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And why is that…(that you care)?

I can't speak for the other poster, but for me, I've always had a bit of a "chip on the shoulder" attitude toward when people take on a "rules for thee, but not for me" approach to leadership.

And that's not just confined to politicians. I feel the same way about it when bosses do that to their employees as well.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don't agree that we're all going to get it. That could happen, but I'm still hopeful it won't. They are doing the right thing by fighting it tooth and nail, vax and mask mandates as much as they can impose.

But when those efforts fail to suppress transmission to a significant enough degree, there's only so much they can throw at it.

With Omicron, it's not like it was with previous variants... Areas with no mandates, and ones with strict mandates, are having similar spike trajectories.

For instance:
Here's California:

Here's Florida:

And if you want to see what it looks like in a separate country, that's delegated more top-down approaches at a federal level, here's Canada.

And if you want to see what the experts are projecting:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/mor...ed-with-omicron-in-the-next-2-months-who.html

...they're saying that over 50% of the continent of Europe will have Omicron in the next 2 months.


There's only so long people can dodge it. Unless one can 100% commit to living in a bubble or isolated on a remote island, I still think 6 months from now, membership in "The Club of Omicron" will include the majority of the population.

There are stories about isolation hotels in certain countries, where people (who tested negative), ended up catching from a positive person across the hall
New Zealand research shows travelers infected one another across hallway in Covid-19 quarantine facility - CNN

(CNN)A traveler isolated for Covid-19 at a quarantine facility in New Zealand managed to infect three others across a hallway, researchers reported Thursday.


Given what we know about the transmissibility, heavily restrictive efforts in the name of "eradicating covid" equate to little more than sending someone into a burning office complex with a household garden hose. Sure, you can keep some things from catching on fire for a while, but eventually...

Or perhaps a better way to put it, the 4 foot fence that may worked to keep the chihuahua in the yard doesn't work as well against the German Shepard.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What CDC guideline wasn’t she following. It looks like she was outside, not inside and of course you can’t eat or drink with a mask on. In my very liberal city you can be in a bar unmasked while you’re eating and drinking. And there is to mask rule for outdoor spaces.

So the CDC is cool with people congregating in large groups and hugging strangers?

 

[renniks]

Come on. You have to know by now that the Omicron variant is a breakthrough version of the virus. And you still do not appear to know how vaccines work. Before the Omicron variant they were highly effective. And if people got the virus anyway, which can happen with any vaccine, they had far fewer severe results. Even know the deaths in the hospitals may be mainly due to not getting vaccinated. The vaccines still produce some protection against Covid19. But only about at a 30% effectiveness vs over 90% for the original variant. And it still offers significant protection if one does get it.

It probably will do not good but here is a recent article on the topic:

COVID boosters with Pfizer or Moderna are best against omicron: study

And within three months we will have an Omicron vaccine if needed. What will your excuse be when that happens?

After we already have all had the virus. What is the point?

 

[rambot]

She is an elitist who thinks her own rules do not apply to her. That's an elitist mentality. I'm not sure how many times we have to explain it to you.

LOL! Of ALL the things to call AOC, she is certainly not elitist.

Do you HONESTLY think someone with an elitist mentality would EVER work in a lowly BAR as a (gasp...) SERVER??????


Sorry...don't understand an elitist label for her.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

But when those efforts fail to suppress transmission to a significant enough degree, there's only so much they can throw at it.

With Omicron, it's not like it was with previous variants... Areas with no mandates, and ones with strict mandates, are having similar spike trajectories.

For instance:
Here's California:
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Here's Florida:
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And if you want to see what it looks like in a separate country, that's delegated more top-down approaches at a federal level, here's Canada.

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And if you want to see what the experts are projecting:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/mor...ed-with-omicron-in-the-next-2-months-who.html

...they're saying that over 50% of the continent of Europe will have Omicron in the next 2 months.


There's only so long people can dodge it. Unless one can 100% commit to living in a bubble or isolated on a remote island, I still think 6 months from now, membership in "The Club of Omicron" will include the majority of the population.

There are stories about isolation hotels in certain countries, where people (who tested negative), ended up catching from a positive person across the hall
New Zealand research shows travelers infected one another across hallway in Covid-19 quarantine facility - CNN

(CNN)A traveler isolated for Covid-19 at a quarantine facility in New Zealand managed to infect three others across a hallway, researchers reported Thursday.


Given what we know about the transmissibility, heavily restrictive efforts in the name of "eradicating covid" equate to little more than sending someone into a burning office complex with a household garden hose. Sure, you can keep some things from catching on fire for a while, but eventually...

Or perhaps a better way to put it, the 4 foot fence that may worked to keep the chihuahua in the yard doesn't work as well against the German Shepard.

You seem to be arguing from a right-wing perspective of money over lives. Being pro-life and Christian, I am coming from the opposite viewpoint on this. I'd rather that some people (espcially the bloated) lose some money while others' lives are saved. Getting vaccines and wearing masks and locking down frivolous activities are not that big a deal. We can do it another month or two, even another year, even another two years.

And while the Omicron variant does spread very easily and vaccines don't work as well against it, the fact remains that the vast majority of the hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated. If people would stop resisting the vaccine based on right-wing lies we could move forward much more easily relaxed restrictions. But thanks to the conspiracy minded anti-vaxxers, we can't. And then the right wing uses the monster they intentionally created as the boogieman to scare people into being afraid of the continued restrictions.

So, I don't buy it. It's based in politics and an anti-Christian, pro-mammon attitude that is foreign to me and I will never relent to that insanity.

That's not to even mention that there is plenty of hope for more vaccines and therapeutics which are being developed very quickly. We don't need to start being cavalier about people's lives just because someone wants to drink a beer in a bar without having to wear a mask at any point, or because people are irrationally anti-vax since it fits their politics.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You seem to be arguing from a right-wing perspective of money over lives. Being pro-life and Christian, I am coming from the opposite viewpoint on this. I'd rather that some people (espcially the bloated) lose some money while others' lives are saved. Getting vaccines and wearing masks and locking down frivolous activities are not that big a deal. We can do it another month or two, even another year, even another two years.

And while the Omicron variant does spread very easily and vaccines don't work as well against it, the fact remains that the vast majority of the hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated. If people would stop resisting the vaccine based on right-wing lies we could move forward much more easily relaxed restrictions. But thanks to the conspiracy minded anti-vaxxers, we can't. And then the right wing uses the monster they intentionally created as the boogieman to scare people into being afraid of the continued restrictions.

So, I don't buy it. It's based in politics and an anti-Christian, pro-mammon attitude that is foreign to me and I will never relent to that insanity.

That's not to even mention that there is plenty of hope for more vaccines and therapeutics which are being developed very quickly. We don't need to start being cavalier about people's lives just because someone wants to drink a beer in a bar without having to wear a mask at any point, or because people are irrationally anti-vax since it fits their politics.

On the topic of vaccines, I'm not "right-wing" at all, I've had 3 of them, and have gone hard on the anti-vaccine types here on CF if you're familiar with my posting history.

This has nothing to do with "money over lives", I didn't even address the economic impacts in the post you were replying to.

My post was rooted in pragmatism.

The experts are projecting that >50% of Europe will catch Omicron within 2 months.

Sure there is hope for future therapeutics and modified vaccines. Moderna and Pfizer say they'll have them ready by March. (2 months from now)

Then the rollout takes time.

And to clarify, I didn't suggest that "everyone's gonna die from it"...I said that the overwhelming majority of people are going to get it eventually. If you're vaccinated, Omicron isn't anything to be paranoid about.

Do you honestly still think there's even a remote chance of a "zero Covid" outcome here? If so, you'd be at odds with the overwhelming majority of the scientific community on that one.

The scientific consensus is that it will transition from pandemic to endemic, Fauci himself said "it won't ever be eradicated". How many years can a person go with never catching an endemic virus that circulates around the globe?

You mentioned we can lock down for another 2 years...what about another 10 or 20 years? (Hint, Covid will still be a thing in 20 years) Is that sustainable?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm paying attention to a lot of things.

The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.

Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.

Let me attempt to explain this more simply. How could you, in your right mind, justify pushing a mask/vaccine mandate, and use your governing powers to strip people of their livelihoods (forcing them to close their businesses), or their freedom (throwing them in jail), for violating your mandates, laws you legislated for, or self imposed directives, only to turn around and do the very things you penalized or encouraged the penalization for others?

With AOC this is more than just a mere, "oops, I made a stupid mistake." This is a situation of her loosing all credibility on the subject. Because she is incapable of leading by example. Her hypocrisy has put her in a position where she has lost all moral standing on the matter. If she truly believed everything her and her cohort professed, she would have worn a mask and socially distanced herself, regardless of the state mandates, to set herself as an example to follow.