The song was not about hating cops.
You use a misunderstanding of a song to bash the artist.
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The song was not about hating cops.I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly. They are people with families, lives...etc. They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot, usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it. I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops. Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.
What if the unlawful command is to allow yourself to be sexually assaulted?The way to deal with good cops is the same way to deal with bad cops: say nothing other than your name. Don't argue. Make it clear that you're not a threat to their safety. Record everything. Comply with all lawful commands. If you think a command is unlawful, ask "are you ordering me to ...?", and if the answer is yes, obey the command. If you're arrested, call a lawyer as soon as possible and demand your right to call one.
Obvious, and exceedingly rare, exception. Don't throw common sense out the window in order to follow generally applicable (99+% of the time) principles.What if the unlawful command is to allow yourself to be sexually assaulted?
Rare yes, but I don't know that the solution is obvious? What does a person do in that situation to get out of it safely? The Holtzclaw case brings this scenario to mind.Obvious, and exceedingly rare, exception. Don't throw common sense out the window in order to follow generally applicable (99+% of the time) principles.
I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly.
They are people with families, lives...etc. They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot, usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it. I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops. Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.
Yes, there are bad cops who sometimes do bad things. I hope they are all brought to justice.
Its lame that threads like this one want to bury all the bad the cops do for the sake of making them look like good guys. Some of them are good people, but the majority of them that i have seen are racist. My wife and i have never been in trouble and are law abiding citizens. But last year my wife was walking on the sidewalk with our baby and four police cars pulled up and harassed her cause they said she was "suspicious". Its not the first time this has happened, another time i was holding my wifes hand and were harassed by the police. I believe in protecting my own family and will never call a cop to handle my own business.
Now some cops are great people. But most aren't because power does currupt and the few bad apples are rotting the whole batch ( 1 corinthians 15:33). So i support that we should post the good and the bad on CF. But if your noticing more negative stories on police violence then there might be something wrong with the police and not the stories.
I think its stupid. Most cops aren't killers who open fire instantly. They are people with families, lives...etc.
They are people that when they have no choice but to shoot,
usually go see a psych after because of the trauma of it.
I personally was disgusted by Beyonce at the Super Bowl dressed up as a blank panther in a song about hating cops.
Mind you she DEMANDED a cop escort (cars) to the event and to the stage. Irony.
It would be lame if Independent police auditing were normal.
It would be lame if police didn't have the monopoly on violence...
...or if as someone would police the police besides themselves.
It wouldn't get as much traction if their actions in aggregate were not the result of class war.
Admit you have a self righteous knot of your own, just a little.
The song was not about hating cops.
You use a misunderstanding of a song to bash the artist.
Those people seem angry.Normal by whose definition of the term? Judging from the tone of your post normal would be defined as the cops are always found guilty of whatever charge made.
Monopoly on violence? I suggest you spend a bit of time researching the history of the Black Panther Movement. Or for something more current the recent events in Baltimore:
Baltimore rioters attack police
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/27/baltimore-protests-unrest.cnn
In Baltimore the rioters made a point to go to Camden Yards and the surrounding area and attack people there:
Note the Black Panther flag which appears during the violence shown here:
Your claim is disingenuous.
Today anyone with a cell-phone can police the police.
Class war. That must explain the black police officers on trial for the alleged murder of Freddie Gray.
You first.
Unfortunately, my kids have had "the talk". Not quite the same as the one you describe, but I have told my kids that some police officers will make certain assumptions, wrongly, about them because of their race. But, I also teach them that, whether the cop is being fair or not, they should always treat the officer with the utmost of respect, and beyond pleasantries, they should ALWAYS exercise the right to remain silent. They should never argue and never behave in a way that could remotely be interpreted as threatening or assaulting the cop. Franky, this is just good advice for everyone to follow, albeit more poignant for people of color.You know, just to contextualize some of this, I feel the need to point out "The Talk". You've all heard of the sex talk, the drugs talk, maybe a few other such talks... Did you get the "police" talk? What was it like? For African-Americans, this is an important one. You can hear such stories everywhere you look. These people teach their children to be afraid of the police, because they have to - because the alternative often ends up being dead children. This is not something they want to do. This is something they do because they know their children will not be treated the same way white children will by the police, and this disparity will only grow as the child grows older. These are the talks they give because otherwise, or even in spite of it, their child might end up being the next Freddy Gray or Tamir Rice. Even the wealthy and powerful must give this talk to their children. Gawker has collected several statements, here are some excerpts I found particularly interesting:
No sugarcoating. There it was. "Look, stay away from cops. They are not your friends. You answer their questions if they ask you with 'yes sir' and 'no ma'am' unless it is incriminating, then you exercise your right to be silent. Don't talk back, don't even slouch, pull up your pants. Be polite, no sudden movements. Don't give him a reason because these cops will shoot you and not think twice about it." She used choice other words, but that was it. All our suspicions, fears about police vocalized by the smartest person we knew.I never got the talk. I'm white.
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I have a 24-year-old son. I have given him the talk. He has been with me when the police stopped me, primarily because the police recklessly eyeballed my son, and didn't see me—the little old lady—driving the car. So he knows the drill. Ask the police before you reach for your license. Ask the police for permission to get your insurance card and registration out the glove box. Do not answer any questions. Just do as you are told.
Once my son and I were getting out the car at the shopping mall, the police approached him and asked him: "Did you just leave the mall?" I intervened. I instructed my son to "never, ever answer a question from the police." Ask the police: "Am I free to go?" Do not answer any questions. Be polite. Be cordial. But never answer any questions. Keep asking: "Am I free to go?" "Am I under arrest?" "What are the charges?" "May I make a phone call?" However, do not move suddenly. Do not get smart-alecky. Do not run. If the police start swinging, drop to the ground, protect your head and vital organs by curling up in a ball on your knees.
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I've been given this talk many times by many people. Don't be aggressive. Police usually work in groups of two: If you see one, assume there is one you cannot see. Nine times out of ten, people will believe the police over believing you. If a cop hits you, don't fight back: Hope that someone will notice and say something. Never match outfits: More than three men dressed in the same color equals a gang.
When I was younger, I listened, but I didn't think it applied to me. My eyes weren't opened until I was older; I was stopped numerous times in high school. I played the French horn, and was once pulled off the train by a cop who thought it was a bomb or that I was smuggling drugs or weapons.
Is this justified? By almost every metric I've seen, the police disproportionately abuse minorities. From marijuana arrests (whites and blacks smoke at the same rates, but whites don't go to prison for it nearly as often) to stop and frisk, where a whopping 83% of those stopped were black or hispanic (they make up a combined 50% of the population), to traffic stops and searches, to lethal force.
Maybe, just maybe, all this "hate" will be enough for the good cops to break the blue wall of silence and cast out the perpetrators from their midst. Maybe it will be enough for police departments to straighten up and not hire guys who were previously thrown out of other police departments for psychological breakdowns and dismal performance!
So yeah. Just a little context for the next time you seem frustrated that people are hating on the police. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't that we're super mean and unreasonable to the police force, but rather that there are serious problems within the police force and not nearly enough is being done to address them. Maybe it's slightly more of a problem that a solid quarter of African-Americans have little to no trust for the police, that "Driving While Black" is a thing, that "Walking While Black" is a thing, and that African-Americans would be downright irresponsible if they didn't teach their sons that, in the eyes of the police, they have two strikes against them just for being black men.
Just because you feel no connection to the message of the song doesn't mean there isn't one.You obviously haven't seen the music video. Here is one image from it I can post:
Social media is slobbering all over the song as if it were a lost Beethoven symphony. Technically it qualifies as music, but it is more a political statement promoting the current leftist race-hustling agenda that the police are gunning down poor black people just because they are black sung by a woman wearing a hundred-thousand dollars worth of costume and jewelry.
You obviously haven't seen the music video. Here is one image from it I can post:
Social media is slobbering all over the song as if it were a lost Beethoven symphony. Technically it qualifies as music, but it is more a political statement promoting the current leftist race-hustling agenda that the police are gunning down poor black people just because they are black sung by a woman wearing a hundred-thousand dollars worth of costume and jewelry.
My concern is that people are dying, both police and civilians, because of the "us vs. them" narrative told by the media. I agree that some police abuse their power. But, I don't think the way the media is handling it is helping anyone.Yeah, dismissing the experience of millions of black Americans, which we get a glimpse of every couple of days when the media reveals that yet another has been abused or killed by cops, is exhausting.
Poor you, having to read about those uppity blacks and their "civil rights." That's the real injustice here.
Media?My concern is that people are dying, both police and civilians, because of the "us vs. them" narrative told by the media. I agree that some police abuse their power. But, I don't think the way the media is handling it is helping anyone.
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