The 144k are not all Jews. Only 2 of the 12 tribes are Jewish.
The other 10 are the Western peoples, now the majority of the Christians.
John sees them all in Jerusalem, Revelation 7:9 and Jesus selects the 144k out of them in Revelation 14:1-5
They go out to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Rev 14:6-7, Isaiah 66:19
Well his was teh first of four gentile kingdoms. Israel is not Babylon! As you have alleged prior. Part of teh fourth beast relies on the power of Nebuchadnezzar in his day but no the fourth beast is not Babylon.
Babylon the great is a religious system established long before Nebuchadnezzar and the rebuilt city of Babylon right now has 6,000,000 bricks from the original Babylon.
Yes, but not the same. The disciples were not part of a church, until Christ was taken away. It depends on your definition of Church though. Jesus made a distinction between a comforter who would come, but could not come, until Jesus left. John 16:7Are they members of the Church?
It was God's statue, given to Nebuchadnezzer in a dream. It is whoever God sets up as a government.It's Nebuchadnezzar statue that stands on those two feet with ten toes. You better believe it's his kingdom.
Yes, but not the same.
The disciples were not part of a church
When they were sealed
It was God's statue, given to Nebuchadnezzer in a dream. It is whoever God sets up as a government.
No, the church is not those in verses 1-3. The 144k did not go up to the throne. They were called out after those in Revelation 7:9However, Revelation 7:1-3 reveals that the Church is still on the earth, performing and/or having performed her work of evangelism, and obviating any role for Jewish or any other evangelists. The 144,000 signify that Church.
So the Greeks, Romans, and Europe all descendants of Nebuchadnezzer?I would not say the statue is God seeing the scripture says Nebuchadnezzar is the head of that statue.Its more Nebuchadnezars kingdom throughout the centuries beginning with him down to the devided kingdom it is today (ten toes).
It doesn't have anything to do with other governments such as China or the USA.
Just his kingdom.
So the Greeks, Romans, and Europe all descendants of Nebuchadnezzer?
Because Greece and the Roman Empire ruled all that land that Nebuchadnezar ruled over. That is why. You do not even know the extent of Nebuchadnezzer's Rule, do you? You do not know the extent of the Greeks, do you? Each time it changed hands, it got smaller, not larger.Doesn't have anything to do with Greeks, Roman's or Europe. Some people assume it does but that is just thier assumption. When you look at the area of land given to the saints after the beast is killed, you would find the saints dwelling in the promised land. Not in Rome. So why even bring Rome into the conversation? The saints will be dwelling in Jerusalem after the beast is destroyed. Not Rome.
Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
You believe Rome, Greece and Europe is the beloved city?
Because Greece and the Roman Empire ruled all that land that Nebuchadnezar ruled over. That is why. You do not even know the extent of Nebuchadnezzer's Rule, do you? You do not know the extent of the Greeks, do you? Each time it changed hands, it got smaller, not larger.
The extent of Nebuchadnezzer's kingdom was given to the Medes and Persians. Daniel 5:28 "‘P’res’ — your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”I know the extent of the Greeks rule but they were not of Nebuchadnezars kingdom.I'm. Looking at the extent of Nebuchadnezars kingdom, not the Greeks. Mongals or Russia.or Great Britton.
The extent of Nebuchadnezzer's kingdom was given to the Medes and Persians. Daniel 5:28 "‘P’res’ — your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”
Sorry.Yea but even though the Greeks was given The promised land, the promised land is not in Greece.
You understand? Greece was not of the promised land.Nevermind.
Timtofly, care to make a stand in my thread?Sorry.
It really was not about one king. It was about God setting up a worldly kingdom. A kingdom that would be a thorn in the side of His chosen people.
Sorry.
It really was not about one king. It was about God setting up a worldly kingdom. A kingdom that would be a thorn in the side of His chosen people.
I never said it was Rome. Europe lost control of the middle east. Unless you accept it was part of the British Empire. But the UK was never a part of the EU, until after Israel was handed back to the Jews. Nebuchadnezzer never set up a throne in Jerusalem.It's not about the world. It's just about one area of land. There are alot of people who believe the beast is Rome. They believe that is the kingdom spoken of that will be destroyed. But scripture says the kingdom that is destroyed is then given to the saints.
Well, as it turns out the saints are seen living in Jerusalem after the beast is destroyed. Not Rome. And Rome was never promised to the saints(Abraham's seed).
Why would Rome be destroyed when God has promised the land now governed by the Israeli government and its Muslim neighbors, to the saints(Abrahams seed)?
Right. Proved by Isaiah 66:19, where those young undefiled people go out in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom. As the 72 did in Luke 10:1-10However, Revelation 7:1-3 reveals that the Church is still on the earth, performing and/or having performed her work of evangelism, and obviating any role for Jewish or any other evangelists. The 144,000 signify that Church.
Again right. We Christians receive the Seal of God, those who follow the false Anti-Christ will get his mark.Only the Church is sealed. If they are sealed, then they are part of the Church, whose members are distinguished exclusively not by physical DNA, but by the spiritual DNA of faith and obedience.
Wrong. The vast multitude are on earth. God will allow His Throne to be seen then. Also we see the Jesus will stand on Mt Zion then, Revelation 14:19 After this, I looked; and there before me was a huge crowd, too large for anyone to count, from every nation, tribe, people and language. They were standing in front of the throne and in front of the Lamb, dressed in white robes and holding palm branches in their hands;
This group, too large for any one to count, were not on earth. They were at the throne of God.
Right. Proved by Isaiah 66:19, where those young undefiled people go out in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom. As the 72 did in Luke 10:1-10
Again right. We Christians receive the Seal of God, those who follow the false Anti-Christ will get his mark.
Wrong. The vast multitude are on earth. God will allow His Throne to be seen then. Also we see the Jesus will stand on Mt Zion then, Revelation 14:1
Revelation 14:14-20 is the metaphorical story about the Sixth Seal disaster, which will more seriously affect the Middle East region. Zephaniah 2:4, Isaiah 17:1, +The Mt Zion is spiritual as are the 144,000, representing all saved.
Please tell me you don't think verses 14-20 are physical?.
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