Another One Bites the Dust, 10th general killed by Ukraine (updated thread)!)

[cow451]

That's pretty significant though, I wonder how many generals russia has?

Apparently not many good ones.

 

[cow451]

I guess if they all die, putin will call it fake news.

Already has.

 

[cow451]

That's interesting.


I saw this video today proposing impeachment of Biden by some Republican in congress and not for the usual stuff but because he has only released one Billion dollars of aid for Ukraine compared to the 13 Billion of aid that congress approved. Now imagine if the lion share of that aid, was mostly given to the makers of Javelin and Stinger missiles to make more to ship out, and the rest went for some of there other needs and also paid for logistics costs of the deliveries of such supplies....

Maybe Biden wants Zelensky to do a favor.

SGOYT not always the best source.

 

[cow451]

let me see, holding back aid to Ukraine, that sounds familiar for some reason, didn't the Dems try to impeach someone over that very issue.

Try to keep up, folks.
Kevin McCarthy Bashes Biden Over Ukrainian Military Aid After Throwing Up Hands When Trump Delayed It

 

[disciple Clint]

Try to keep up, folks.
Kevin McCarthy Bashes Biden Over Ukrainian Military Aid After Throwing Up Hands When Trump Delayed It

AND then the rest of the story:
With the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia, questions arose whether the Trump administration did enough to deter a Russian invasion into Ukraine by sending lethal aid. Compared to the previous Obama administration, the Trump administration actually sent lethal aid that would directly help Ukraine’s military in self-defense strategy.
For Ukraine, lethal aid came in the form of the anti-aircraft Javelin missile launcher weaponry and its sale to Ukraine was approved in 2017 by Trump. Yet this fact went largely ignored by the mainstream media. Meanwhile, the Obama administration refused to send military weapons to Ukraine and relied mostly on sending non-lethal aid. What happened to Trump’s military aid to Ukraine? - Accuracy In Academia

 

[Douger]

AND then the rest of the story:
With the ongoing war between Ukraine and Russia, questions arose whether the Trump administration did enough to deter a Russian invasion into Ukraine by sending lethal aid. Compared to the previous Obama administration, the Trump administration actually sent lethal aid that would directly help Ukraine’s military in self-defense strategy.
For Ukraine, lethal aid came in the form of the anti-aircraft Javelin missile launcher weaponry and its sale to Ukraine was approved in 2017 by Trump. Yet this fact went largely ignored by the mainstream media. Meanwhile, the Obama administration refused to send military weapons to Ukraine and relied mostly on sending non-lethal aid. What happened to Trump’s military aid to Ukraine? - Accuracy In Academia

Obama had it right. Sending military aid spurred the ridiculous idea that Ukraine could join NATO and recover their lost territories. Now those lost territories have doubled in size, and continue to grow while the Ukrainian population faces a generation of emigration and poverty.

 

[Tom 1]

Yet this fact went largely ignored by the mainstream media.

No, it didn't.

 

[cow451]

Obama had it right. Sending military aid spurred the ridiculous idea that Ukraine could join NATO and recover their lost territories. Now those lost territories have doubled in size, and continue to grow while the Ukrainian population faces a generation of emigration and poverty.

Obama and Trump administrations both approved working with Ukraine to bring its military into this century. This support has been vital to its survival against Russia.

From December, 2021
Ukraine’s Military Has Come a Long Way Since 2014

From 2017
In other words, their task is to build an army’s entire training infrastructure almost from the ground up — a tall order following decades of not-so-casual corruption that has plagued Ukraine’s and many post-Soviet countries’ militaries across eastern Europe.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Obama and Trump administrations both approved working with Ukraine to bring its military into this century. This support has been vital to its survival against Russia.

Agreed. The Biden admin expected Ukraine to fall in just several weeks. Obviously Ukraine has taken western training seriously and the Soviets (yes, the Soviets.....that is what they are) have stayed with their centralized control.....and have paid a big price for that. Let's hope Putin gets to pay the same price as his troops......

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Let's hope Putin gets to pay the same price as his troops......

Honestly, it would be better if he just died of a disease or natural causes. If he was assassinated, it would make him a martyr and the insanity would never end.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Honestly, it would be better if he just died of a disease or natural causes. If he was assassinated, it would make him a martyr and the insanity would never end.

Nope, put him and his buddies in the Gulag.....justice served.......

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Nope, put him and his buddies in the Gulag.....justice served.......

It's not at my level of decision making, so that's a relief. It's just when someone acts like that, it's obvious punishment is coming.

 

[disciple Clint]

No, it didn't.

No problem you disagree with the author, show your evidence that he is incorrect.

 

[Tom 1]

No problem you disagree with the author, show your evidence that he is incorrect.

As with everything else you have said isn’t in the media, I read about it in the media. It’s up to you to check whether something is true or not before posting it.

 

[disciple Clint]

As with everything else you have said isn’t in the media, I read about it in the media. It’s up to you to check whether something is true or not before posting it.

you want to validate your post or not, I could not care less.

 

[Tom 1]

you want to validate your post or not, I could not care less.

You really don’t think it’s important to check if something is true or not, before posting? You can just search the topic in any of the main newspaper sites.

 

[Tom 1]

you want to validate your post or not, I could not care less.

You can find a breakdown of the history from Obama through to the present here, including the 2017 sale of javelins as well as Trump’s attempts at blackmail in 2019: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/27/ukraine-us-arms-supply/
There is plenty more coverage, of course, anywhere you choose to look. Each time you choose to post ‘the media isn’t covering this’ you could take a few seconds to check if that is actually true (hint: it never is).

 

[disciple Clint]

You can find a breakdown of the history from Obama through to the present here, including the 2017 sale of javelins as well as Trump’s attempts at blackmail in 2019: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/27/ukraine-us-arms-supply/
There is plenty more coverage, of course, anywhere you choose to look. Each time you choose to post ‘the media isn’t covering this’ you could take a few seconds to check if that is actually true (hint: it never is).

Brave statement considering how the media failed to report or flat our lied about the Hunter Biden computer.

 

[Tom 1]

Brave statement considering how the media failed to report or flat our lied about the Hunter Biden computer.

Which media failed to report it? Do you have an example of a media outlet that didn't, to confirm your statement?

Who lied about it? Please give me an example of some article or other lying about it, how you know it was a lie rather than just not coinciding with what you happen to believe about it etc.

 

[cow451]

Brave statement considering how the media failed to report or flat our lied about the Hunter Biden computer.

LOL. The old Hunter fallback when nothing else works. Priceless