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The destruction of the wicked will not occur until they are judged on the day that Peter calls "the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly". You know this, so it is disengenuous of you to claim that the wicked will never be destroyed just because they haven't already been destroyed. Your attitude is why you and I cannot have a reasonable discussion about what the Bible says.Blatantly false accusation. That is why we can never have a reasonable discussion. Reread my post I clearly said that what God created He can destroy but you have yet to produce a proof text which says God will/did destroy souls in hell.
No tap dancing.
So how exactly does the Lake of Fire cause our spiritual death but not cause the spiritual death of the devil, the Beast, and the false prophet?
Did God make a built-in sensor for the Lake of Fire that detects human spirits and destroys them?
Yes, death of the body, as juxtaposed to eternal life of the body.
As opposed to being totally destroyed one time? Yes, I SEE and UNDERSTAND.
Yes because once an evildoer dies he can no longer do evil. People do evil and their Spirits suffer the repercussions of doing so by being eternally separated from God in torment. Matthew 25:46
I am one of those that the Jesus talks about in John 4:23-24, a true worshipper, not a fake one as shown in v22 like those who believe the spirit dies are.
Apparently it is hard for some who infer torture when it says torment. Let God be true and every man be a liar. That's what Paul says in Romans 3:4.
I don't know why you can't read plain English, I said stop using the KJV not that it was the only one you used but in this case you used it conveniently because it's the only version that says soul.
The destruction of the wicked will not occur until they are judged on the day that Peter calls "the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly". You know this, so it is disengenuous of you to claim that the wicked will never be destroyed just because they haven't already been destroyed. Your attitude is why you and I cannot have a reasonable discussion about what the Bible says.
Then you don't understand what Revelation 20:10 says?If you believe that the devil will not be destroyed, you are mistaken.
I will give one of the reasons that I believe that the wages of sin is death and not eternal torture in hell.
The Bible specifically states in Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
That settles the question right there. There is no possibility that the wages of sin is to be tortured by God for all eternity.
You need to stop projecting your own insecurities on other people. Obviously if you say I did one thing when I didn't then you're the one that's confused.You are confused. I can read plain English and it is plain that you are confused.
Here is Ezekiel 18:4 in two different translations. I shouldn't have to look this up FOR you, you should simply stop making false accusations:
ESV
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
NASB
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.
I KNOW that "soul" (nepesh) means the person. This does not help your assertion that souls cannot die. People die. Those that reject God remain dead forever. Only those who put their faith in Christ will inherit eternal life.
Do not forget that we will be resurrected.
Then you don't understand what Revelation 20:10 says?
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
No, I did not miss it. Here is the context:The "death" referred to here is separation from God, the source of life. It has nothing to do with a beings existence.
There are two deaths to be considered, physical death (of the body), which we all succumb to sooner or later, and spiritual death, which is permanent enmity between that being and God.
Scripture does not support annihilationism. It does however support eternal torment. Or did you miss the part about "their fire is not quenched and the worm dies not"?
I gave you that passage. Matthew 10:28 clearly supports the doctrine that God will destroy both body and soul in hell. The reason you and I can't have a reasonable discussion is because you are not being reasonable.Wrong again! Another post and another blatant misrepresentation of what I said. Here is my post again.
Blatantly false accusation. That is why we can never have a reasonable discussion. Reread my post I clearly said that what God created He can destroy but you have yet to produce a proof text which says God will/did destroy souls in hell.Please show me where I said or implied "the wicked will never be destroyed just because they haven't already been destroyed?"
Dig yourself in a little deeper.You need to stop projecting your own insecurities on other people. Obviously if you say I did one thing when I didn't then you're the one that's confused.
Maybe the Expanded Bible will help you understand and not be so confused?
Every living thing [soul] belongs to me. The life [soul] of the parent [father] is mine, and the life [soul] of the child is mine. The person [soul] who sins is the one who will die.
Soul means ALL the following;
breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortalsoul; and on the other from G2222, which is merevitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
Strong's
breaththe breath of lifethe vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1aof animals 1aof menlifethat in which there is lifea living being, a living soulthe soulthe seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting lifethe soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body) Thayer's
I politely suggest that although this is a standard "line" on what death means, it is, if you step back from it, a decidedly odd one. To take the word "death" with its normal "lights out and into the ground you go" meaning and make it mean "fully conscious existence away from God" is a truly remarkable deviation from the nominal meaning.The "death" referred to here is separation from God, the source of life. It has nothing to do with a beings existence.
the error is "attributing God with evil"like Jobs friends didPlease post any Scripture passages that you think prove that Annihilationism is untrue in this thread.
Let's discuss them. I have only one other request, please be polite when you post here, I've had a lot of bad experiences with people who think that God plans to have the unrepentant tortured alive in hell.
What the heck, I think I'll add a poll.
I think this is something you have to impose on Scripture.There are two deaths to be considered, physical death (of the body), which we all succumb to sooner or later, and spiritual death, which is permanent enmity between that being and God.
There's no question that death means alienation from God. But what is a person who is cut off from the source of life? In what sense are they alive? There's a general agreement that God is the sustainer of life. What if he doesn't? Does he sustain someone just enough that they can feel pain, so he can punish them?thus it stands to reason that eternal death is not a ceasing of existence but an eternal estrangement from god .. to be cut off from all that is good and comfort and peace ...
No, I did not miss it. Here is the context:
"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
Scripture does not support eternal conscious tormentism. It does however support the destruction of the wicked. Or did you miss the part about the dead bodies of those who rebelled against God.
IF scripture does not support the destruction of the wicked, then why does scripture say "The wicked will be destroyed forever"? Psalm 92:7
I'm sorry, but a plain reading of Scripture supports the destruction of the wicked.
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