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Annihilationism
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I agree, it is the so-called orthodox christians, the tormentalists and torturismists who need this information.
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Eila said:
Interesting thread. Did anybody reply to Eila's comment on page 2? She was talking about the passage in Genesis where Adam is condemned to die yet appears to live a thousand years. I have heard a few ideas about it. I do not know of a simple rebuttal to her argument. First there is the idea that perhaps the LORD relented due to Adam's confession though some people say it was not a confession. Then there is the idea that Adam represents the first people and is not really just one person but a society. There is the fact that they were kicked out of the garden, cordoned off from the tree of life which you could say is equivalent to death, though it is not imminent death apparently.
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Apparently the rules have been changed. Annihilationism is now (again) on the list of topics that can be discussed only in UT:
Discussions about Nicene and Trinitarian beliefs may take place in the Christian-Only forums, all discussions regarding non-Nicene and non-Trinitarian topics will take place in Unorthodox Theology. Those topics include (but are not limited to)
● Universalism
● Open Theism
● Full Preterism
● Trinitarianism
● Annihilationism
● Masonry
● discussions related to unorthodox Christian religions
● Universalism
● Open Theism
● Full Preterism
● Trinitarianism
● Annihilationism
● Masonry
● discussions related to unorthodox Christian religions
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The move makes sense to me since Annhililationism while probably correct is just an arguing point. We are to consider our brothers as superior ourselves, and this is one of the ways. Think of it as an opportunity! 
Philippians 2:3
Philippians 2:3
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OK, GT is just a bash-fest between Roman Catholics and Protestants anyway. There is probably no use discussing theology in that sub-forum. I'm not RC or Prot so I can't contribute much to that discussion.The move makes sense to me since Annhililationism while probably correct is just an arguing point. We are to consider our brothers as superior ourselves, and this is one of the ways. Think of it as an opportunity!
Philippians 2:3
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When the truth is called unorthodox lies, and lies are called orthodox truth something is very wrong.
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Timothyw, I enjoy some of your threads and am cautiously cautioning you. You've made an accusation against the Orthodox but truth is above us all. We never fully obtain it until we die or Jesus returns. The Orthodox despite their name do recognize this in their own way by recognizing that their tradition is dynamic, so they recognize truth to be above us in that way. Your statement seems accusative and lowers truth to our level by making it something we have but the Orthodox do not, and the Orthodox have an equal or greater charge against you on that basis. The above post sounds a little paranoid to me, like the Orthodox are out to get us and God but that is not the case realistically. An appropriate book about it is James, because he is into humility truth and wisdom and talks about this sort of thing. Long ago I heard an interview with the archbishop of one of the east orthodox groups, and he was very humble and recognized the importance of love. I realize this is the unorthodox forum but technically all christians are unorthodox as I see it, since even the orthodox must have a dynamic tradition. Not that truth doesn't exist -- it does but is too much for a single vessel to hold and so on. I thought the difference between the orthodox and the unorthodox was less vehement than you seem to indicate.
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The charge was against CF moderators who claim that annihilationism is counter to the Nicene Creed and must only be discussed in Unorthodox Theology. Truth can be determined from the bible. If I say that Romans 6:23 says (NIV) "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." then this is true, the bible actually says that. To say that is unorthodox is to say the bible is unorthodox.
The wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.
When this truth is called an unorthodox lie, and the lie of eternal torment in hell is called orthodox truth, something is very wrong.
I will stand for God's Truth, No matter what anybody does to me.
My objection is not against the "orthodox church", I want all christians to be orthodox.
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Forgive the misunderstanding. Honestly I don't like the moderators decision either but I can understand. For the past several centuries the church has been very definition oriented, there have been wars over words and its been very painful. Looking at the bright side, there is an unorthodox forum; so there is a measure of grace. God can make that little bit go a long way.
I believe that annihilation at death is probably correct, and probably heaven is a metaphor and probably hell is too. But. There are peculiarities in life that don't make sense, and its possible for God to allow you to believe a lie. For a long time I absolutely believed certain things about God and was faithful, and God did not correct me. It was not the priority. The only solid ground to build on are not factoids but on humility and love. I am getting that from Jesus parable of the building your house on the rock instead of on the sand. While I'm convinced that God would not create people to torture them eternally believing in that fact is not my foundation. I cannot just accept whatever my head says, because that would puff it up. God has required that my foundation be interlocked with yours as Peter describes us as living stones all part of one temple. I also think that love compels me to believe what other believers belief, so if they believe certain things who am I to correct them? Your faith is my faith even if you disagree with me, not that there isn't truth but that I depend on you to help me receive truth. Love is our foundation, and truth is enabled as we embrace it or as it grows in us. Love is a fruit of the spirit, yet we are told that love is more important than knowledge. There must be something more to the spirit than the words.
I believe that annihilation at death is probably correct, and probably heaven is a metaphor and probably hell is too. But. There are peculiarities in life that don't make sense, and its possible for God to allow you to believe a lie. For a long time I absolutely believed certain things about God and was faithful, and God did not correct me. It was not the priority. The only solid ground to build on are not factoids but on humility and love. I am getting that from Jesus parable of the building your house on the rock instead of on the sand. While I'm convinced that God would not create people to torture them eternally believing in that fact is not my foundation. I cannot just accept whatever my head says, because that would puff it up. God has required that my foundation be interlocked with yours as Peter describes us as living stones all part of one temple. I also think that love compels me to believe what other believers belief, so if they believe certain things who am I to correct them? Your faith is my faith even if you disagree with me, not that there isn't truth but that I depend on you to help me receive truth. Love is our foundation, and truth is enabled as we embrace it or as it grows in us. Love is a fruit of the spirit, yet we are told that love is more important than knowledge. There must be something more to the spirit than the words.
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So am I required to have humilty and they are allowed to be arrogant?
I suppose you are right. It is the Christian way to be humble and allow your views to be called "unorthodox."
I wish the moderators could also show some humility.
I suppose you are right. It is the Christian way to be humble and allow your views to be called "unorthodox."
I wish the moderators could also show some humility.
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That is right. The greatest among us is the servant of all, and that is how God works. As long as the mods believe they are making their best decisions and as long as they are acting in love then truth will prevail without you. Also they are moderating a forum full of Christians, and the generated love from that is what will open the forum to truth so that it is not even in the moderators power to control truth.
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