Then there are the following texts that say that the dead know not anything and that their thoughts end (perish) at death.:In Isa 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, pfft, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.
There is this text that says that a soul that sins will die:I do not know of a single verse which says God has or will destroy any soul.
Then there are the following texts that say that the dead know not anything and that their thoughts end (perish) at death.:
Eccl 9:5 is often quoted as a proof text for annihilationism. But even as you quoted it, in context, it says "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; ...under the sun." Note the phrase "neither have they any more reward" does that also apply to the righteous after they die?Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Psalms 146:3 KJV Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
In this passage the psalmist is speaking what he observes with his senses. In the 2 passages I cited God Himself is speaking.4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Until they are resurrected at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, I would say that it also applies to the righteous.Note the phrase "neither have they any more reward" does that also apply to the righteous after they die?
The word translated "perish" in Jn 3;16 is ἀπόλλυμι/apollumi.John 3:16
I note you ignored the bulk of my post. That is not what the writer of Eccl. said. Shall I remind you "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward" The writer said nothing about after the resurrection.Until they are resurrected at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, I would say that it also applies to the righteous.
You asked a question in that post and I answered that question.I note you ignored the bulk of my post. That is not what the writer of Eccl. said. Shall I remind you "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward" The writer said nothing about after the resurrection.
Here is the verse.The word translated "perish" in Jn 3;16 is
Here is the verse.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
This part in blue here is echo. It is future tense, and perish is not given a future tense because as soon as we are born we are perishing without Christ. It does not refer to the first death as nearly all will experience that. It refers to the perishing unto the second death. Though perishing is slow it ultimately concludes with the finality of death which is an eternal state of affairs. Death is eternal for all states of affairs where one remains dead. Annihilation is a term which can also be viewed simply as the eternal state of a affairs where on remains dead which is entailed by perishing in John 3:16.
Thank you for this unsupported opinion. How many semesters of Biblical Greek did you say you had? I don't know what you mean by a word being an "echo." I'm not familiar with that as a grammatical term. Perhaps you should read the definition of apollumi which I posted and the many verses which were listed.Here is the verse.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
This part in blue here is echo. It is future tense, and perish is not given a future tense because as soon as we are born we are perishing without Christ. It does not refer to the first death as nearly all will experience that. It refers to the perishing unto the second death. Though perishing is slow it ultimately concludes with the finality of death which is an eternal state of affairs. Death is eternal for all states of affairs where one remains dead. Annihilation is a term which can also be viewed simply as the eternal state of a affairs where one remains dead which is entailed by perishing in John 3:16.
Common Objections to Conditional Immortality:....
Will the devil really be destroyed?
Well, you may or may not know this, but Isaiah 14:12-20 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 are well known verses amongst Christians that talk about the devil. They are passages that describe both the devil and the evil rulers who were living during that time. Anyways, Ezekiel 28:18says that the fire will devour the devil and he will be brought to ashes. Isaiah 14:19 says the devil's carcass will be trodden under foot. Meaning he will be nothing but a charred up corpse or a destroyed spiritual body.
Strongs 2192. ἔχω echó. I will edit to make that more clear as a greek word.Thank you for this unsupported opinion. How many semesters of Biblical Greek did you say you had? I don't know what you mean by a word being an "echo." I'm not familiar with that as a grammatical term. Perhaps you should read the definition of apollumi which I posted and the many verses which were listed.
Please show me any verse(s) which states that anyone/anything is thrown into the LOF then they die?Exactly; And why compare the "Second Death" (i.e. the Lake of Fire) mentioned in Revelation 21:8 with the "First Death" (Which is physical death)?
Physical death is something that is final.
I find it strange that the "Second Death" is totally unlike the "First Death" in the worldview of ECT....
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