Angels

[Hoshiyya]

the Oral Torah and Traditions would be the source for any real, deep, meaningful investigation.??

really? not G-d himself? not His most Holy Spirit?not truthful testimony of those who have seen?...

God has ordained for certain of his words to be relaid and preserved by the Rabbis.

All of those charismatics and eccentrics who claim to "inquire of the spirit" or (subjectively) experience things invariably contradict each other when it comes to their angelogies and revelations and prophecies and visions.

 

[Alithis]

God has ordained for certain of his words to be relaid and preserved by the Rabbis.

All of those charismatics and eccentrics who claim to "inquire of the spirit" or (subjectively) experience things invariably contradict each other when it comes to their angelogies and revelations and prophecies and visions.

Interesting.. yet Israel's judges and rulers on need of present effectual knowledge did not turn to the scriptures,but "inquired of the Lord"...,at least the more Godly ones did.
Oddly enough what you said about rabbis.. is almost a mirror of what rome says of its priests.
Yet neither are infallible ...

 

[Hoshiyya]

Interesting.. yet Israel's judges and rulers on need of present effectual knowledge did not turn to the scriptures,but "inquired of the Lord"...,at least the more Godly ones did.
Oddly enough what you said about rabbis.. is almost a mirror of what rome says of its priests.
Yet neither are infallible ...

What are you basing this assumption on ?
And, are you talking about the time before scriptures were written ?

 

[Alithis]

What are you basing this assumption on ?
And, are you talking about the time before scriptures were written ?

Keep it cheerful I'm not trying to argue .just chitchat but no not assumption..Israel's leaders most often "called" upon the the lord .who then spoke to them via the prophets.
Ref: the books judges,kings,chronicles.

 

[visionary]

in all these posts you have made.i sensed a delight in reading them..a renewing desire to look again into the Holy script,in a manner of delighted curiosity...
my heart is saddened that it has been so long since i searched out the jewels of my heavenly fathers house.

i have on rare occasion perceived the presence of angels,but not seen them.
one time my wife and i arrived late at night on a ferry in Cebu philippines..the docks with their corrugated iron clubs& bars etc being a bad place to be for anyone let alone a white tourist. my wife,being a local,was intensely aware of the danger as we had to walk a quarter mile to where the taxis parked.

i became overwhelmed with a sense of Joy and knew angels were present on left and right..i could not shake the strong sense they were really big and had swords... -wild imagination? methinks no.
one thing was strange..when i glanced into doorways the people didn't seem to look at me but to the side of me...

have many little testimonies but really just wanted to thank you for what youve shared.

oh-and err...totally irelavant ..curiosity... what did they look like?/ haha i know i know...i cant help asking anyway..

Those who do not have any personal experience with angels in their lives can only theorize. There was this one time when there was a knock at my door one night. My husband had a 24/7 type of job, but he was not home that night. I went to the door to find a german shepherd dragging in a very drunk biker. He just came on in by pushing me aside and leading this dead drunk to the sofa where he crashed for the night. The next morning, we introduced ourselves to each other. The shepherd had spent the night by the drunk's side and come morning whined to be let out.

I ask the biker if the dog was his. He said No, he fell dead drunk into the gutter along side of the road and was rousted by the dog dragging him. I told him I have never seen this dog before in this neighborhood and I checked outside to find that it was gone. I was impressed to tell the biker that God had sent one of his angels, and we have just been entertaining an angel unawares. This dog had saved his life, and the biker knew in his heart this was true. He gave God the glory and from that moment on had a starving heart to know Him.

I have not seen the biker since I moved so am unable to know what became of his spiritual life.

 

[Alithis]

Those who do not have any personal experience with angels in their lives can only theorize. There was this one time when there was a knock at my door one night. My husband had a 24/7 type of job, but he was not home that night. I went to the door to find a german shepherd dragging in a very drunk biker. He just came on in by pushing me aside and leading this dead drunk to the sofa where he crashed for the night. The next morning, we introduced ourselves to each other. The shepherd had spent the night by the drunk's side and come morning whined to be let out.

I ask the biker if the dog was his. He said No, he fell dead drunk into the gutter along side of the road and was rousted by the dog dragging him. I told him I have never seen this dog before in this neighborhood and I checked outside to find that it was gone. I was impressed to tell the biker that God had sent one of his angels, and we have just been entertaining an angel unawares. This dog had saved his life, and the biker knew in his heart this was true. He gave God the glory and from that moment on had a starving heart to know Him.

I have not seen the biker since I moved so am unable to know what became of his spiritual life.

that is a wonderful account of the mercy and tender loving care of our heavenly father.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Keep it cheerful I'm not trying to argue .just chitchat but no not assumption..Israel's leaders most often "called" upon the the lord .who then spoke to them via the prophets.
Ref: the books judges,kings,chronicles.

1. If God actually spake via prophets, as has not been the case since the days of Haggai and Malachi, you'd perhaps have a point.
2 But even back then, Prophets did not settle disputes or judge or deal with application of Torah very much, but rather spake in general terms of the need to keep Torah and not worship other gods and of course spoke in symbols about the future and so on.
3 Also, the generalization that even back then God just answered every prayer is ultimately unfounded as far as I can see.
4 When God has already spoken, why ask him to repeat himself? Many Messianics refuse to listen to the words and teachings and traditions God spoke or revealed through the Rabbis, so why should he repeat himself? Will they then listen? No, for they have already decided what his word should be.

 

[yonah_mishael]

Scripture teaches the reality of creatures called Cherubim, Kruvim, which include messengers (m'lakim), burning ones (srafim) and living ones (chayyot) among other classes or types or functions. According to the scripture, Angels, Seraphim, Living Beings, etc are all different types of Cherubim.

Be careful about the difference between mlachim מלכים (kings) and mal'achim מלאכים (angels). The first syllable remains strong and closed in the word for "angels" (mal-) and does not lose its vowel.

מלאך > מלאכים
mal'ach > mal'achim
angel > angels

מלך > מלכים
melech > m'lachim
king > kings

Make sense?

 

[yonah_mishael]

Those who do not have any personal experience with angels in their lives can only theorize. There was this one time when there was a knock at my door one night. My husband had a 24/7 type of job, but he was not home that night. I went to the door to find a german shepherd dragging in a very drunk biker. He just came on in by pushing me aside and leading this dead drunk to the sofa where he crashed for the night. The next morning, we introduced ourselves to each other. The shepherd had spent the night by the drunk's side and come morning whined to be let out.

I ask the biker if the dog was his. He said No, he fell dead drunk into the gutter along side of the road and was rousted by the dog dragging him. I told him I have never seen this dog before in this neighborhood and I checked outside to find that it was gone. I was impressed to tell the biker that God had sent one of his angels, and we have just been entertaining an angel unawares. This dog had saved his life, and the biker knew in his heart this was true. He gave God the glory and from that moment on had a starving heart to know Him.

I have not seen the biker since I moved so am unable to know what became of his spiritual life.

The dog was an angel?

 

[Alithis]

Maybe..more probably it acted under angelic control... much like a certain donkey...

 

[Hoshiyya]

Be careful about the difference between mlachim מלכים (kings) and mal'achim מלאכים (angels). The first syllable remains strong and closed in the word for "angels" (mal-) and does not lose its vowel.

מלאך > מלאכים
mal'ach > mal'achim
angel > angels

מלך > מלכים
melech > m'lachim
king > kings

Make sense?

Yeah.
(Incidentally English isn't my first language so I might transliterate or use its letters in a slightly different way than Americans/English people.)

 

[Alithis]

1. If God actually spake via prophets, as has not been the case since the days of Haggai and Malachi, you'd perhaps have a point.
2 But even back then, Prophets did not settle disputes or judge or deal with application of Torah very much, but rather spake in general terms of the need to keep Torah and not worship other gods and of course spoke in symbols about the future and so on.
3 Also, the generalization that even back then God just answered every prayer is ultimately unfounded as far as I can see.
4 When God has already spoken, why ask him to repeat himself? Many Messianics refuse to listen to the words and teachings and traditions God spoke or revealed through the Rabbis, so why should he repeat himself? Will they then listen? No, for they have already decided what his word should be.

Well he does still speak through his Holy spirit via visions dreams and prophecy and always in perfect harmony with what he has already stated,as recorded in the written scripture.your assumptions that folks hear from God contrary to the scriptures is not correct.the scriptures are the measure..if the announced prophecy,or word,or shared dream or vision is not in harmony with the scripture it is generally disregarded.
When folks Do not disregard such teaching and build a congregation on it,disallowing discussion or question..we refer to them as a cult.... not a believer and follower of messiah Yeshua .
When you say that only a select few have the ability of interpretation of the scriptures ,I believe you set up a dangerous scenario.for if those select few are wrong..the few lead the many astray.
And after all God is no respective of men.he gives understanding to whomever He wills ..
And scriptually that is any one who seeks him in humility for understanding.
As for answered prayer ..., I have only experienced two forms. Those he has already answered by demonstration
demonstration of the answer And those for which the answer has not yet been made manifest.

"Call unto me and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things which you do not yet comprehend-(paraphrased)

 

[CherubRam]

I was picking up a young lady to take to church for bible study. She was about 12 and had a older sister around 15 who was "demonic" [harsh word, but accurate, as you would have to meet her to know what I mean]. Her little sister was a sweet child who loved to come with me to church. It was about the third time I came by to pick her up when her sister came tearing out of the house screaming like a banshee with vile words describing death threats with ever step she took. Then all of a sudden she came to a screeching halt. From there the vile froth continued but she didn't take another step forward. I ask the Lord "how come?" He opened my eyes and I saw two angels on either side of her facing her and blocking her from coming any closer.

What I was wanting to know is if you claim to have seen angels with wings, person to person? Not in a dream or vision, but in real life.

 

[visionary]

What I was wanting to know is if you claim to have seen angels with wings, person to person? Not in a dream or vision, but in real life.

Yes, real live angels

 

[CherubRam]

Yes, real live angels

With wings?

 

[Lollerskates]

So what do you think you know about angels?

They can transsubstantiate into human form - with all the parts.

They are real.

The Fallen Ones have offspring.

Their fallen offspring torment us.

Angels can be humans unawares, as well as know who they are and be presented to us unawares.

I wish I was a celestial angel; I would never choose to fall. Although, I don't know: perhaps that is why I am a lowly and reluctant human (which I despise to be.)

My $0.02

 

[Alithis]

They can transsubstantiate into human form - with all the parts.

They are real.

The Fallen Ones have offspring.

Their fallen offspring torment us.

Angels can be humans unawares, as well as know who they are and be presented to us unawares.

I wish I was a celestial angel; I would never choose to fall. Although, I don't know: perhaps that is why I am a lowly and reluctant human (which I despise to be.)

My $0.02

methinks too much nicolas cage....

 

[visionary]

With wings?

One particular time, I saw angels and these had wings at their side.

 

[CherubRam]

One particular time, I saw angels and these had wings at their side.

And was that in a dream or vision, or real life?

 

[Alithis]

? I have a real life
I have thoughts .are my thoughts non existent because they are in my head where you cannot see them .. ?
dreams and visions are real life .
but of course I think the asker means .. was it something you observed in a conscious tangible manner .
I thought ,it was already answered by the reply of, "yes , real live angels ".

but then , im not sure how one would observe a dead angel ...
unless of course death is absence from God who is life .. then whenever people observe demons they are observing dead angels .. in that sense ..

..ok.. I'll stop jabbering now