Angels

[CherubRam]

So what do you think you know about angels?

 

[aniello]

Can't say that I know any personally but I think they are just, heavenly.

 

[Dave-W]

Never met one personally; but got pushed over by one once. (saved my life actually) So I am rather thankful.

 

[CherubRam]

I'm also interested in hearing from Visionary whom said she had seen angels in person. Are you sure it was not a dream or vision, Visionary? What is the story?

 

[Hoshiyya]

Scripture teaches the reality of creatures called Cherubim, Kruvim, which include messengers (m'lakim), burning ones (srafim) and living ones (chayyot) among other classes or types or functions. According to the scripture, Angels, Seraphim, Living Beings, etc are all different types of Cherubim.

 

[visionary]

I was picking up a young lady to take to church for bible study. She was about 12 and had a older sister around 15 who was "demonic" [harsh word, but accurate, as you would have to meet her to know what I mean]. Her little sister was a sweet child who loved to come with me to church. It was about the third time I came by to pick her up when her sister came tearing out of the house screaming like a banshee with vile words describing death threats with ever step she took. Then all of a sudden she came to a screeching halt. From there the vile froth continued but she didn't take another step forward. I ask the Lord "how come?" He opened my eyes and I saw two angels on either side of her facing her and blocking her from coming any closer.

 

[visionary]

That was not the first encounter with an angel. I was about 12 when my mother and I were making a trip into the big city to purchase Christmas presents. Along the long stretch of isolated road I felt a hand touch my shoulder and say "here" and I turned to my mother and said "here". She said "what do you mean?" and I told her "I don't know" and related to her what happened. We marked the spot by the crossing over the large ditch. Late that night we were coming home and just after we crossed the large ditch we hit black ice. My mother remained calm, totally unusual for her, and drove the car into the ditch after a few swerves left and right without any change of gaining control. Entering into the ditch on the side of the road gave her the traction she needed and soon we were back on the road. I believe it was my guardian angel who warned us, thus preparing my mother for the surprise.

 

[visionary]

When it came time for me to have children, I encountered another angel experience. I had prayed when I was 11 for two girls two years apart, because I was informed by my doctors I was so messed up inside that I could never have children. One night about 2 o'clock in the morning I had the hand on the shoulder and was told "tonight" and with that a memory flash to the prayer as a child for children. I rolled over and tapped my husband on the shoulder saying tonight. It is amazing what men can do in their sleep. Sure enough, nine months later, I had the first girl. I told my husband about the prayer, the answer, and the miracle. Shortly after a year, I received another hand on shoulder at about 2 in the morning saying "tonight" and when I rolled over and tapped my hubby on the shoulder saying "tonight" he popped up wide eyed and said "are you sure?" I explained that our little girl needs a little sister. So he reluctantly agreed. Sure enough nine months later I had the second girl, the complete answer to my prayers four days short of having the same birthday because I jumped up and down the stairs to make sure she had a different birthday than her sister. Besides I had got a call from my doctor who said that if I didn't have her that night, I was going to be delivering under another doctor. They were both born 11:45pm.

 

[visionary]

When I was studying scripture I was into understanding the wedding supper, and all things related to it. There flew in from my right side an angel bearing a invitation. He brought it before my eyes and understood that this was my invitation. It was a brilliant white with gold lettering and edging. It was about the size of a 5x7" card.

 

[visionary]

Another time I was studying the feasts, all the sabbaths, the prophecies and how it fits with Daniel and Revelation, I had another encounter. I used 5x7 cards where I would makes notes, post scripture, and thus had an way of moving my notes back and forth in my efforts to put things in order. This was a accumulation of a thirty year study.

There was a mess of them and through much prayer and study all I seem to have amassed was a massive amount with some vague references and some good connections. Then one day, an angel came flying in Holy splendor. Re-arranged the cards in my mind and made it all clear to me.

 

[visionary]

I could go on but I know angels are as real as real can be. The shepherd left the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and hunted for the one lost sheep until he found it; he then returned with rejoicing, bearing it on his shoulder. Also by the illustration of the woman who searched for the lost piece of silver until she found it, and called together her neighbors to rejoice with her that the lost was found. The connection of heavenly angels with the believer’s work is here brought clearly to light. There is more joy in the presence of the angels in heaven over one sinner that repents than over ninety and nine just persons who need no repentance. There is joy with the Father and with Yeshua. All heaven is interested in the salvation of man. He who is instrumental in saving a soul is at liberty to rejoice; for angels of God have witnessed his efforts with the most intense interest, and rejoice with him in his success.

How thorough, then, should be the labor and how deep the sympathy of man for his fellow-man. It is a great privilege to be a co-worker with Yeshua in the salvation of souls. He, with patient, unselfish efforts sought to reach man in his fallen condition, and to rescue him from the consequences of sin.

 

[visionary]

The spirit in which you come to the investigation of the Scriptures will determine the character of the assistant at your side. Angels from the world of light will be with those who in humility of heart seek for divine guidance. But if the Bible is opened with irreverence, with a feeling of self-sufficiency, if the heart is filled with prejudice, Satan is beside you, and he will set the plain statements of God’s word in a perverted light.

 

[visionary]

I believe angels grieve as the most precious jewels of truth have been brought before men utterly incapable of appreciating the evidences in favor of the truth. These men are at war with the principles of truth; their natures were at enmity with it. Their object in discussing was not that they might get hold of the evidences of the truth themselves, or that the people might have a fair understanding of our true position, but that they might confuse the understanding by placing the truth in a perverted light before the people of CF.

There are men who have educated themselves as combatants here on CF. It is their policy to misstate an opponent, and to cover up clear arguments with dishonest quibbles. They have devoted their God-given powers to this dishonest work, for there is nothing in their hearts in harmony with the pure principles of truth. They seize any argument they can get with which to tear down the advocates of truth, when they themselves do not believe the things they urge against them here on CF. They bolster themselves up in their chosen position, irrespective of justice and truth.

They do not consider that before them is the Judgment, and that then their ill-gotten triumph, with all its disastrous results, will appear in its true character. Error, with all its deceptive policies, its windings and twistings and turnings to change the truth into a lie, will then appear in all its deformity. No victory will stand in the day of God, except that which truth, pure, elevated, sacred truth, shall win to the glory of God.

I think we need to be humbly more in tune with God and allow all the dross to be blown from our thinking. Every subject brought up her on CF should be taken to the Lord in prayer for guidance in our own lives and for those who are also reading the material. We are in the last days, and the angels are gathering together from the four corners of this earth His people for the harvest. His angels are at work and we need to in better harmony with His kingdom and the tasks at hand in bringing our cleansing and purifying so that we can truly reflect His Image. Our time is running out. This earth is rapidly coming to a horrendous close.

I appreciate all the help angels have given me in my life with Him. I "know" and think it is normal to co-exist with them. We are together in co-operation with His objectives of moving His Kingdom forward to its fruitful harvest coming. I think we all too often get caught up in the debate and forget God's reason for it all in the first place.

 

[Alithis]

I could go on but I know angels are as real as real can be. The shepherd left the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and hunted for the one lost sheep until he found it; he then returned with rejoicing, bearing it on his shoulder. Also by the illustration of the woman who searched for the lost piece of silver until she found it, and called together her neighbors to rejoice with her that the lost was found. The connection of heavenly angels with the believer’s work is here brought clearly to light. There is more joy in the presence of the angels in heaven over one sinner that repents than over ninety and nine just persons who need no repentance. There is joy with the Father and with Yeshua. All heaven is interested in the salvation of man. He who is instrumental in saving a soul is at liberty to rejoice; for angels of God have witnessed his efforts with the most intense interest, and rejoice with him in his success.

How thorough, then, should be the labor and how deep the sympathy of man for his fellow-man. It is a great privilege to be a co-worker with Yeshua in the salvation of souls. He, with patient, unselfish efforts sought to reach man in his fallen condition, and to rescue him from the consequences of sin.

in all these posts you have made.i sensed a delight in reading them..a renewing desire to look again into the Holy script,in a manner of delighted curiosity...
my heart is saddened that it has been so long since i searched out the jewels of my heavenly fathers house.

i have on rare occasion perceived the presence of angels,but not seen them.
one time my wife and i arrived late at night on a ferry in Cebu philippines..the docks with their corrugated iron clubs& bars etc being a bad place to be for anyone let alone a white tourist. my wife,being a local,was intensely aware of the danger as we had to walk a quarter mile to where the taxis parked.

i became overwhelmed with a sense of Joy and knew angels were present on left and right..i could not shake the strong sense they were really big and had swords... -wild imagination? methinks no.
one thing was strange..when i glanced into doorways the people didn't seem to look at me but to the side of me...

have many little testimonies but really just wanted to thank you for what youve shared.

oh-and err...totally irelavant ..curiosity... what did they look like?/ haha i know i know...i cant help asking anyway..

 

[pshun2404]

Well what can we really know? We know there are what we call Arch-Angels like Gabriel, Michael, and others who are in His presence (Satan was most probably one of these) and they have free will (otherwise he could not have "rebelled") and we know there are other orders of angels that could manifest in the flesh, in fact some could be among us now and we entertain them unawares, then there are Cherubim (like from Ezekiel's vision), and Seraphim (strange looking many eyed many winged creatures given to praise God continually). Rab Sha'ul gives a list called powers (who effect things in the temporal), principalities (like the King of Tyre and the King of Greece in Daniel), rulers of wickedness (who control sorcerers, necromancers, witches), and then there are those called familiars (assigned to families who can appear to be speaking as relatives through real mediums) and what else? Hmmm?

 

[Hoshiyya]

Well what can we really know? We know there are what we call Arch-Angels like Gabriel, Michael, and others who are in His presence (Satan was most probably one of these) and they have free will (otherwise he could not have "rebelled") and we know there are other orders of angels that could manifest in the flesh, in fact some could be among us now and we entertain them unawares, then there are Cherubim (like from Ezekiel's vision), and Seraphim (strange looking many eyed many winged creatures given to praise God continually). Rab Sha'ul gives a list called powers (who effect things in the temporal), principalities (like the King of Tyre and the King of Greece in Daniel), rulers of wickedness (who control sorcerers, necromancers, witches), and then there are those called familiars (assigned to families who can appear to be speaking as relatives through real mediums) and what else? Hmmm?

Much of this is also speculation. For instance, how do you know your definition of "rulers of wickedness" is correct? where did you get this definition? how do you know - from the bible alone - that there are multiple arch-angels? Are you equating Gr. Archon with Gr. Archaggelos ?

Clearly, "Cherubim" occurs throughout the scripture in an unspecific way (used first in Gen. 3), and hence does not denote any "particular kind of angel". If terminology matters, the OT would seem to use Cherubim to mean all kinds of angels, whereas the NT uses "angel (messenger)" to mean all kinds of angels.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Since scripture doesn't really dwell much on the subject, the Oral Torah and Traditions would be the source for any real, deep, meaningful investigation.

As to purely Biblical angelology, please see this link, as it is the only serious study on purely Biblical angelology:

Notes on Biblical Angelology | The Plan of God

As we can see, a purely Biblical angelology has the merits of dispelling myths and speculation, but cannot say much definitively or conclusively.

 

[pshun2404]

Much of this is also speculation. For instance, how do you know your definition of "rulers of wickedness" is correct? where did you get this definition? how do you know - from the bible alone - that there are multiple arch-angels? Are you equating Gr. Archon with Gr. Archaggelos ?

Clearly, "Cherubim" occurs throughout the scripture in an unspecific way (used first in Gen. 3), and hence does not denote any "particular kind of angel". If terminology matters, the OT would seem to use Cherubim to mean all kinds of angels, whereas the NT uses "angel (messenger)" to mean all kinds of angels.

You are totally correct Hoshiyya, everything in parentheses should have been with question marks...sorry folks, parentheses mine...yes much of it is speculation...angelology however is a lot of hype as well, the truth is we do not know much, only what the Lord has revealed in the word.

I do not say Gabriel and Michael and who the Rabbis call Sammael (Belial/Satan) are/were Arch-Angels I said "what we call" as that is how most people refer to them...


I do know that principalities are spiritual forces assigned to places, and that familiars are spirits assigned to families (I was deeply immersed in the occult...thats why I qualified real mediums from charlatans)...familiars are NOT animals (like portrayed in movies), nor do they indwell them...they are real spirits who in fact know details no one else could know about your family and loved ones because they were there (sometimes they helped cause the situation)...

But I am enjoying everyone's views and opinions...then of course their is the Angel of the LORD (also called the Angel of His Presence) who is the God of Abraham manifest in a visible audible form...

I will check out your link, thanks...

 

[Alithis]

Since scripture doesn't really dwell much on the subject, the Oral Torah and Traditions would be the source for any real, deep, meaningful investigation.

As to purely Biblical angelology, please see this link, as it is the only serious study on purely Biblical angelology:

Notes on Biblical Angelology | The Plan of God

As we can see, a purely Biblical angelology has the merits of dispelling myths and speculation, but cannot say much definitively or conclusively.

the Oral Torah and Traditions would be the source for any real, deep, meaningful investigation.??

really? not G-d himself? not His most Holy Spirit?not truthful testimony of those who have seen?...

 

[Alithis]

odd this topic came up ..2 weeks ago my awsome wife said to me,she asked the lord why shes never seen angels etc.. she said (not direct quote)the Lord told her" i have greater blessings for you due to you having not seen,yet you believe..."
needless to say,she is at peace on the topic now..