"...And your Lord is never forgetful..."

[wn123455]

*rolls eyes*

Funny that some of the people who use love as a motto are among the most hostile of all. The mind boggles. And hey, don't forget to pull out your Muslamic ray guns next time. And that's more than enough attention given to Islamophobes. Moving on.

This article is really, really good.

"In order to justify an overthrow of Egypt’s first-ever democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi, who had only reached the end of the first year of his first term in office, the military and other forces backing the coup needed a strong rationalization. After painting Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as incompetent rulers trying to hijack Egypt, state and non-state actors – including Egyptian politicians, Egyptian media, and pro-June 30 analysts – opted for an additional quantitative rationalization, arguing that the military was simply responding to the call of “the nation,” the overwhelming majority of “the people.”

This sort of explanation reads much better than admitting to a naked power grab, sacrificing in the process Egypt’s first free and fair elections, which had already decided who would govern Egypt in the short term."

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"I engaged in too many social media debates to count, and, in every one of them, the pro-coup academic on the other side of the argument refused to engage with empirical realities. I referenced the polls that showed Egypt was a split society and that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had very strong popular support, particularly outside of Cairo; the obvious reality that the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters were part of “the nation”; the five recent elections that the Muslim Brotherhood had won; the literature on crowd-sizing that shows it was not possible for there to have been anywhere near 33 million (or 14 million) anti-Morsi protesters in the streets on June 30; and the problems associated with using phrases like “the nation” to reference a political faction.

Along with many others, I pointed out that Egypt’s 2012 constitution allowed for free political competition and that anti-Brotherhood political parties – of which there were more than a dozen – could have simply organized themselves for the Fall 2013 parliamentary elections, taken parliament, had the final say on Egypt’s prime minister, revised the constitution, and, if necessary, removed Morsi through the 2012 constitution’s impeachment mechanism. This would have been preferable to a military coup bent on denying Islamists – hitherto undefeated at the polls – political participation. Most of the time, these arguments were not seriously considered, and analysts insisted on the validity of their quantitative argument."

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Exaggerated protest numbers and talk of “the nation” could be read as miscalculations or shoddy analysis. It seems probable, however, that something more is at play in this discourse, which is noticeably exclusionary and seems to correspond well with the Egyptian coup-regime’s campaign to annihilate the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt’s campaign of elimination: pro-June 30 analysts and the quantitative rationalization for Egypt’s coup | openDemocracy

How can a person be an islamophobe if a person is not afraid to speak out against islamism? islamophobe means a person is afraid of islam and a person afraid of islam would not speak out against islamism.

 

[ContraMundum]

How can a person be an islamophobe if a person is not afraid to speak out against islamism? islamophobe means a person is afraid of islam and a person afraid of islam would not speak out against islamism.

...heheh...which would make the media, governments and political parties the true Islamophobes!

Classic.

 

[smaneck]

How can a person be an islamophobe if a person is not afraid to speak out against islamism? islamophobe means a person is afraid of islam and a person afraid of islam would not speak out against islamism.

It means fear, hatred or prejudice against Muslims.

Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[wn123455]

It means fear, hatred or prejudice against Muslims.

Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word means "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force;

Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kenan Malik, a UK writer, has criticized the concept of Islamophobia, calling it a myth. He argues that the charge of Islamophobia is leveled against those who criticize Islam or Muslims in any way (even when those criticisms may be legitimate) to serve as a "chilling effect."

Islamophobia - RationalWiki

 

[All Englands Skies]

*rolls eyes*

Funny that some of the people who use love as a motto are among the most hostile of all. The mind boggles. And hey, don't forget to pull out your Muslamic ray guns next time. And that's more than enough attention given to Islamophobes. Moving on.

This article is really, really good.

"In order to justify an overthrow of Egypt’s first-ever democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi, who had only reached the end of the first year of his first term in office, the military and other forces backing the coup needed a strong rationalization. After painting Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as incompetent rulers trying to hijack Egypt, state and non-state actors – including Egyptian politicians, Egyptian media, and pro-June 30 analysts – opted for an additional quantitative rationalization, arguing that the military was simply responding to the call of “the nation,” the overwhelming majority of “the people.”

This sort of explanation reads much better than admitting to a naked power grab, sacrificing in the process Egypt’s first free and fair elections, which had already decided who would govern Egypt in the short term."

---

"I engaged in too many social media debates to count, and, in every one of them, the pro-coup academic on the other side of the argument refused to engage with empirical realities. I referenced the polls that showed Egypt was a split society and that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood had very strong popular support, particularly outside of Cairo; the obvious reality that the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters were part of “the nation”; the five recent elections that the Muslim Brotherhood had won; the literature on crowd-sizing that shows it was not possible for there to have been anywhere near 33 million (or 14 million) anti-Morsi protesters in the streets on June 30; and the problems associated with using phrases like “the nation” to reference a political faction.

Along with many others, I pointed out that Egypt’s 2012 constitution allowed for free political competition and that anti-Brotherhood political parties – of which there were more than a dozen – could have simply organized themselves for the Fall 2013 parliamentary elections, taken parliament, had the final say on Egypt’s prime minister, revised the constitution, and, if necessary, removed Morsi through the 2012 constitution’s impeachment mechanism. This would have been preferable to a military coup bent on denying Islamists – hitherto undefeated at the polls – political participation. Most of the time, these arguments were not seriously considered, and analysts insisted on the validity of their quantitative argument."

---

Exaggerated protest numbers and talk of “the nation” could be read as miscalculations or shoddy analysis. It seems probable, however, that something more is at play in this discourse, which is noticeably exclusionary and seems to correspond well with the Egyptian coup-regime’s campaign to annihilate the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt’s campaign of elimination: pro-June 30 analysts and the quantitative rationalization for Egypt’s coup | openDemocracy

Funny how I am the hostile one, but you don't see me defending crazy murderers and always justifying the Islamist's. When Anders Brievik went beserk, I didnt start posting stuff about how the rise of Islamism in Europe led him to do it, but when an Islamic extremist carries out an atrocity, we're treated to articles then shift the blame to the non-muslims everytime.

You openly think its righteous for people to be subjected under Islam, but you get outraged over any case where you feel Muslims are subjected under others. that's a purely hypocritical way of thinking.


Also like you care about "free elections", if a government who was voted in was over thrown by Islamist's, you'd be on the Islamist's side, you stick up for the same type of people who gun down people going to vote in Afghanistan in free elections. So your just using the "free election" angle to an means to an end.

You're fine with others being forced to live a certain way, as long as its the "certain way" you agree with.

You more or less openly admit it, so I don't know why you then argue against it, when you openly state what you think on other threads, you defended a blasphemy law in one thread, but then pipe on about corrupt laws stifling the "freedom" of Muslims.

How is this Islamophobic?, all I am saying is to treat people as you want to be treated, what you're saying is its "Islamophobic" to be against Muslims who oppress others?

I am trying to tell you two wrongs don't make a right and people fanning the flames like what you do is what causes people to kill each other and resort to extremism, when you see that all can harm and kill regardless of background, you start to calm down with the crazy, war mongoring posts, as all it leads to is escalation.

 

[All Englands Skies]

You seriously think this is Islamophobic? You honestly think this is hostility to you personally?

It's not. It's objective critical analysis of your posts. The observations are this a) you play the victim card - vidicated in this post and b) you always go back to politics- also vindicated in this post.

Notice that we're not being critical of the other Muslim posters, who seem to take a different position to you. So it's not about Muslims- it's about your obsession with politics, war, violence and all that stuff.

Its Islamophobic in her eyes to be against not wanted to be subjected under the boot of Muslims.

She talks and sounds like an extremist, but then its Islamophobic to highlight that?

She openly agrees with all the Islamist extremism sentiments.

So basically, now its Islamophobic to actually critisize terrorists or any oppressive laws in Muslim lands, the only way to not be Islamophobic is to just let muslims treat non-muslims however they want and not say anything.

Wouldn't that make her anti-western and anti-Christian aswell though using her own criteria against her, as all her posts critisize westerners and Christian societies?

 

[light upon light]

When Anders Brievik went beserk

Anders Breivik didn't go berserk at all.

Anders Breivik simply acted out the logical outcome of hateful anti-islamic thinking, just as Adolph Hitler acted out the logical outcome of hateful anti-semitic thinking (fortunately with a lot less power in Breivik's case). That Breivik cited Robert Spenser dozens of times in his manifesto is no accident - Breivikism is simply Applied Spenserism with more frustration, more testosterone, and nothing to lose.

The problem is hatred toward any group of people, whether religious, racial, both (in the case of Jews), or any other focal point for aggressive tribalistic thinking.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Anders Breivik didn't go berserk at all.

Anders Breivik simply acted out the logical outcome of hateful anti-islamic thinking, just as Adolph Hitler acted out the logical outcome of hateful anti-semitic thinking (fortunately with a lot less power in Breivik's case).

The problem is hatred toward any group of people, whether religious, racial, both (in the case of Jews), or any other focal point for aggressive tribalistic thinking.

Well yeah, thats reading into it.

But in slang usage if somebody shoots loads of people with a semi-auto rifle for whatever reason we say they "Go beserk".

The point I am making is its dangerous for people to be so tunnel visioned.

 

[light upon light]

The point I am making is its dangerous for people to be so tunnel visioned.

Absolutely!

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I'm sure it's deeply troubling to some people that the narrative that the media typically portrays regarding Muslims is at odds with a lot of the information posted here. It's probably unsettling to see that Muslims are trying to combat the boogeyman status the media has given us and seeing the "other" side of the story as opposed to the side you like. To them I say: suck it up. I'm going to keep posting things about news related to the Muslims even if it's not in the negative light you wish it to be.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I'm sure it's deeply troubling to some people that the narrative that the media typically portrays regarding Muslims is at odds with a lot of the information posted here. It's probably unsettling to see that Muslims are trying to combat the boogeyman status the media has given us and seeing the "other" side of the story as opposed to the side you like. To them I say: suck it up. I'm going to keep posting things about news related to the Muslims even if it's not in the negative light you wish it to be.

But you openly support, act and post like one of the Muslims who is used, to make negative view of Muslims.

So you're getting upset over the fact Muslims are all viewed as hard line extremist's, but you actually seem to agree and support the hard line extremists. So you acting like the stereotype, but then moaning about the stereotype?

 

[All Englands Skies]

lovebeingamuslimah thinks West Papua is part of indonesia. The mostly muslim indonesia is occupying and colonizing the mostly non-muslim West Papua.

Papua conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



lovebeingamuslimah said it is alright for uighur muslims to resist in China and how are uighur muslim extremists resisting? The uighur muslim extremists are resisting by killing innocent civilians. Hardly anyone called lovebeingamuslimah out for calling killing innocent civilians resistance.

2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well that's it, you hit the nail on the head, both Uighur's and West Papuan's have a right to be free, but she is okay with occupations if Muslims are the ones occupying.

But its like you cant get this through to her, its clear hypocrisy.

Its Islamophobic to speak out about persecution of non-muslims, in her eyes, she seems to be under the view that Christians and other faiths should be happy to live second to Muslims and if they don't like it, they're "Islamophobes".

So you're "Islamophobic" for simply not wanting to be persecuted by Muslims.

 

[Ruthie24]

This is probably one of the most depressing and disrespectful threads I have ever read that appears to capitalize on human suffering in the name of the pursuit of fanatical religion. I have friends in Syria and one in Egypt. They are both very kind human beings who have lost friends and family members to war. What bothers me so much about this thread is that it is not about stopping human suffering but the pursuit of a fanatical version of Islam. My friends are both muslim and they are sick of the killing. Neither government nor the muslim brotherhood care about the common people who are caught in the crossfire of this disgusting civil war that are literally slaughtering innocent people left and right.

You Muslima are using this thread to advertise all the heroic "martyrs" in the name of Allah. I know what your yellow hand means and I know what it represents and I think you are a pathetic joke and a disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourself as innocent blood is on your hands with this advertisement of martyrdom. Meanwhile your disgusting faction and the corrupt governments of assad and egypt just go on killing INNOCENT people! Shame on you!!!!

 

[All Englands Skies]

This is probably one of the most depressing and disrespectful threads I have ever read that appears to capitalize on human suffering in the name of the pursuit of fanatical religion. I have friends in Syria and one in Egypt. They are both very kind human beings who have lost friends and family members to war. What bothers me so much about this thread is that it is not about stopping human suffering but the pursuit of a fanatical version of Islam. My friends are both muslim and they are sick of the killing. Neither government nor the muslim brotherhood care about the common people who are caught in the crossfire of this disgusting civil war that are literally slaughtering innocent people left and right.

You Muslima are using this thread to advertise all the heroic "martyrs" in the name of Allah. I know what your yellow hand means and I know what it represents and I think you are a pathetic joke and a disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourself as innocent blood is on your hands with this advertisement of martyrdom. Meanwhile your disgusting faction and the corrupt governments of assad and egypt just go on killing INNOCENT people! Shame on you!!!!

Spot on.

After reading you post, did some research on the yellow hand sign, seems it has tag lines that talk about being "pure Martyrs" and "being against rotten western values" and on some lists loads of Countries and cities and its actually got Non-muslim cities on it, like New York, Paris and Moscow so it is also calling out for muslim's to try and take over non-muslim places.

Then she moans about the "stereotypes" against Muslims and talks of oppression, but agrees with something that demonises the entire western world and actually calls for over taking us and forcing us to live under their rule.

Also notice to her any opposing view is "Islamaphobia" and anything that was posting showing the suffering of non-extremist Muslims and Copts she passed off as "Spam"

Why is she posting this stuff on a Christian forum, its not even objective, its an thread of Islamist propaganda, its like a Neo-Nazi posting one sided bile on a forum for racial equality.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Neither government nor the muslim brotherhood care about the common people who are caught in the crossfire of this disgusting civil war that are literally slaughtering innocent people left and right.

OHHHHH, I see. So what you got from this thread is that the Muslim Brotherhood wanted the military to kill them and their supporters (or those who were anti-coup at the very least). They wanted their young family members to die while they were peacefully protesting. They wanted to be removed from the leadership even though they got there fairly and democratically (and have won 4-5 times since then in various other things that required votes). They wanted to be arrested in large numbers and be declared a terrorist organization by the same military and their supporters that has killed more than 1,000 anti-coup people because they didn't have enough of being a banned organization under Mubarak. They wanted to be attacked for protesting the fact that they were illegally deposed. They wanted to be under military rule again.

Clearly you have not understood that the vast majority of the 1,000 dead were pro-Morsi and/or anti-coup protesters.

You Muslima are using this thread to advertise all the heroic "martyrs" in the name of Allah. I know what your yellow hand means and I know what it represents and I think you are a pathetic joke and a disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourself as innocent blood is on your hands with this advertisement of martyrdom.

I think you don't know what you're talking about, really.

On the one hand you talk about the innocent lives lost but then you make some obscure comment about the yellow hand, martyrs, etc. even though one of the things this picture (that has been banned by the military government) stands for are the 700 people (protesters who were protesting against the military coup that removed the Muslim Brotherhood) who died on that terrible day. So now are you saying that those 700 people are not innocent lives? And that it's disgusting to remember them?

I'm sure you'll say it's disgusting to put up reminders or memorials of the ones who died on 9/11, right? Or the ones who died in the Holocaust? The people who do that are sick, pathetic jokes, and disgraceful. They have blood on their hands because of the advertisement of the dead. Right?

Meanwhile your disgusting faction and the corrupt governments of assad and egypt just go on killing INNOCENT people!

What's my disgusting faction, Ruth? Also, clearly you have not read this thread very well if you think I'm in support of either of the current governments in Syria or Egypt. Yet you were so bold to call this the most disrespectful thread you have read. Way to go.

Shame on you!!!!

Took the words right out of my mouth regarding your callous and uninformed post.

 

[All Englands Skies]

OHHHHH, I see. So what you got from this thread is that the Muslim Brotherhood WANTED the military to kill them and their supporters (or those who were anti-coup at the very least). They WANTED to be removed from the leadership even though they got there fairly and democratically (and have won 4-5 times since then in various other things that required votes). They wanted to be arrested in large numbers and be declared a terrorist organization by the same military and their supporters that has killed more than 1,000 anti-coup people because they didn't have enough of being a banned organization under Mubarak. They wanted to be attacked for protesting the fact that they were illegally deposed. They wanted to be under military rule again.

Clearly you have not understood that the vast majority of the 1,000 dead were pro-Morsi and/or anti-coup protesters.

I think you don't know what you're talking about, really.

On the one hand you talk about the innocent lives lost but then you make some obscure comment about the yellow hand, martyrs, etc. even though one of the things this picture (that has been banned by the military government) stands for are the 700 people (protesters who were protesting against the military coup that removed the Muslim Brotherhood) who died on that terrible day. So now are you saying that those 700 people are not innocent lives? And that it's disgusting to remember them?

I'm sure you'll say it's disgusting to put up reminders or memorials of the ones who died on 9/11, right? Or the ones who died in the Holocaust? The people who do that are sick, pathetic jokes, and disgraceful. They have blood on their hands because of the advertisement of the dead. Right?

What's my disgusting faction, Ruth? Also, clearly you have not read this thread very well if you think I'm in support of either of the current governments in Syria or Egypt. Yet you were so bold to call this the most disgusting and disrespectful thread you have read. Way to go.

Took the words right out of my mouth regarding your callous and uninformed post.

She made a post against the killing from all sides and it should all stop and she's callous?

Earlier on this thread (which is on a Christian forum) you basically made it clear you think Copt's being killed have brought it on themselves, which I consider advocating and justifying the murder of fellow Christians. The copts cant win, if they side with those protecting them, they're worthy of death, but if they dont, then they'll have no protection from people who will still consider them worthy of death regardless, catch-22

If somebody was posting pictures of the 9/11 dead and making it clear in their posts they feel all muslims should be wiped out as "justice" for it, I seriously don't Ruth would be okay with that.

You are absolutaly disgusting, you actually argue against someone like Ruth who just wants the suffering to stop, making out her to be the bad guy and that you actually feel you're the righteous one who wants all those who disagree with you smashed into oblivion.

You're a complete utter nutcase, I might get in trouble on these forums for saying it, but you are, a Nutcase, 100% and if I get in trouble for this, while you advocate and justify murder of everyone who is against you and doesn't surrender to islamic extremist laws and basically make it clear you feel coptic christians have got whats coming on a Christian forum (yes ive read your false and lip-serving condemnations of attacks on coptics, dont believe you're sincere when you do) it shows you the forum itself needs it priorities checked.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

She made a post against the killing from all sides and it should all stop and she's callous?

Uh, no she didn't. How many people have the Muslim Brotherhood killed? And how many of these people killed were the ones who forcibly removed them from power?

Earlier on this thread (which is on a Christian forum) you basically made it clear you think Copt's being killed have brought it on themselves, which I consider advocating and justifying the murder of fellow Christians.

Quote it. FYI, the Coptic Pope thanked the military even after it came out that they had killed 700 people. He basically made it clear that the military was on the right side. Do you consider that advocating and justifying the murder of Muslims?

The copts cant win, if they side with those protecting them, they're worthy of death, but if they dont, then they'll have no protection from people who will still consider them worthy of death regardless, catch-22

Oh, stop playing the victim card already. That's what you would say, right?

If somebody was posting pictures of the 9/11 dead and making it clear in their posts they feel all muslims should be wiped out as "justice" for it,

So what am I making clear in my posts that warranted a condemnation of the picture I am using?

You are absolutaly disgusting, you actually argue against someone like Ruth who just wants the suffering to stop,

You act like I should know who Ruth is and what her character is. I have no idea who she is nor do I really care. I judge by the apparent and when someone comes in all guns blazing and makes really ignorant and harsh claims, I shouldn't be expected to coddle them.

(yes ive read your false and lip-serving condemnations of attacks on coptics, dont believe you're sincere when you do)

I don't really care what you believe. You're not a concern of mine and, unlike you, I don't follow you around on the forum. My thread is for all those who have an inkling of honesty and justice in them. It's also to spread awareness of what is going on in the Muslim world beyond the typical news that people receive.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

You are absolutaly disgusting,

You're a complete utter nutcase, .

"Love conquers all."

The mind boggles.

You seem to have an obsession with me and my posts. You rarely even post on this sub-forum except to respond to my posts, haha. Guess my long absence in the news & current events section made you come out of the woodwork even though I hardly ever responded to you when I posted there.

 

[wn123455]

I'm sure it's deeply troubling to some people that the narrative that the media typically portrays regarding Muslims is at odds with a lot of the information posted here. It's probably unsettling to see that Muslims are trying to combat the boogeyman status the media has given us and seeing the "other" side of the story as opposed to the side you like. To them I say: suck it up. I'm going to keep posting things about news related to the Muslims even if it's not in the negative light you wish it to be.

islamists are the ones influencing the media. That's why you hardly see anything about West Papua in the media.

Wirathu lashes out at Time magazine - YouTube

SAUDI influence peddling and why FOX News has gone all soft on Islam | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Guess who's calling the shots at FOX NEWS | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Al-GoreZEERA? Al-Qaeda’s favorite network, Al-Jazeera, buys Al-Gore’s Current TV for $400 million | BARE NAKED ISLAM

Al Jazeera controversies and criticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic Mafia in Bollywood to Glorify Hitler in Movie

Fox News was ordered to alter its coverage of the riots in France after a Saudi prince with shares in its parent company News Corporation complained to Rupert Murdoch.

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul aziz Al-Saud told a conference in Dubai he had telephoned Mr Murdoch after seeing a strapline on the news channel describing the disturbances as "Muslim riots".

"I picked up the phone and called Murdoch and said that I was speaking not as a shareholder, but as a viewer of Fox. I said that these are not Muslim riots, they are riots," Campaign Middle East magazine quoted the prince as saying.

"He investigated the matter and called Fox and within half an hour it was changed from 'Muslim riots' to 'civil riots'."

The prince said his intervention had been an example of how Muslim people can change the portrayal of their religion in the western media - although few Fox viewers will have his contacts.

It is not the first time he has admitted to trying to influence Mr Murdoch's coverage of sensitive issues.

Saudi prince changes Fox's Paris riots coverage | Media | MediaGuardian

Do you believe Zionists control the media?

 

[wn123455]

Uh, no she didn't. How many people have the Muslim Brotherhood killed? And how many of these people killed were the ones who forcibly removed them from power?



Quote it. FYI, the Coptic Pope thanked the military even after it came out that they had killed 700 people. He basically made it clear that the military was on the right side. Do you consider that advocating and justifying the murder of Muslims?



Oh, stop playing the victim card already. That's what you would say, right?



So what am I making clear in my posts that warranted a condemnation of the picture I am using?



You act like I should know who Ruth is and what her character is. I have no idea who she is nor do I really care. I judge by the apparent and when someone comes in all guns blazing and makes really ignorant and harsh claims, I shouldn't be expected to coddle them.



I don't really care what you believe. You're not a concern of mine and, unlike you, I don't follow you around on the forum. My thread is for all those who have an inkling of honesty and justice in them. It's also to spread awareness of what is going on in the Muslim world beyond the typical news that people receive.

For a start you could start spreading news about the colonization and occupation of the mostly non-muslim West Papua by the mostly muslim indonesia.