An Empirical Theory Of God

[Michael]

Uh.

"She had always known about God, even before she had any words"

"But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God's love."

That indicates she was a certain age above 0.00000001 seconds-old.


Now, if you are seriously going to claim that they "knew" or consciously made a decision literally when being born, then this conversation is pretty much over.

IMO you sort of missed the point that she never once in her life consciously chose to be an "atheist".

 

[Michael]

As YOU pointed out, the only circuitry we know of is either intelligently designed BY carbon-based lifeforms with DNA OR is part of carbon-based lifeforms with DNA. And let's be more specific, the ONLY circuitry outside of living beings we know of on Earth have been created BY HUMANS.

Am I wrong in any of those assertions, yes or no?

You are correct about them, but you are kinda dancing around the issue IMO.

The circuits in the universe were not created by humans.

 

[Non sequitur]

IMO you sort of missed the point that she never once in her life consciously chose to be an "atheist".

She lacked belief in a god or gods when she was born.

That made her an atheist.

 

[Doveaman]

She lacked belief in a god or gods when she was born.

That made her an atheist.

Lack of belief in God = Lack of knowledge of God = Ignorance of God.

Is atheism based on ignorance?

Thank God for education.

 

[sandwiches]

You are correct about them, but you are kinda dancing around the issue IMO.

The circuits in the universe were not created by humans.

I'm not dancing around the issue. The point is that you're being imprecise for your convenience. The only circuits we've ever seen created weren't just created by life but by a very specific type of life, humans. And the only circuits we've seen being created naturally have been in carbon-based lifeforms with DNA.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Lack of belief in God = Lack of knowledge of God

False. Belief and knowledge are two separate issues. An atheist may be knowledgable about what theists believe about God.

Is atheism based on ignorance?

If God doesn't exist, then monotheism is based on ignorance.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Doveaman]

False. Belief and knowledge are two separate issues. An atheist may be knowledgable about what theists believe about God.

If God exist then lack of belief He does is based on lack of knowledge He does.

Since God exist then lack of belief He does is based on lack of knowledge He does.

Atheism: Lack of belief in God who exist.

If God doesn't exist, then monotheism is based on ignorance.

I agree.

 

[Doveaman]

Reverencing the Exalted Spirit of Man

This caught my interest in your User Title.

Do you, an atheist, really believe Man has a Spirit?

 

[Michael]

I'm not dancing around the issue. The point is that you're being imprecise for your convenience. The only circuits we've ever seen created weren't just created by life but by a very specific type of life, humans. And the only circuits we've seen being created naturally have been in carbon-based lifeforms with DNA.

I don't believe I've been the least bit "imprecise". It's not my fault that the universe is filled with interactive circuitry. It's not my fault that living entities posses such sophisticated "circuitry". DNA is the "microscopic" structure that facilitates the development of sustained currents in living organisms on Earth. What sort of structures might facilitate organized and sustained circuitry in space? Stars? Galaxies?

 

[Non sequitur]

If God exist then lack of belief He does is based on lack of knowledge He does.

Since God exist then lack of belief He does is based on lack of knowledge He does.

Atheism: Lack of belief in God who exist.
I agree.

Lol.

"Since God exist..."

Besides that whole I-just-said-something-existed, where is your proof for this claim?

I mean i could say, "Since your god doesn't exist"...

 

[Eudaimonist]

Do you, an atheist, really believe Man has a Spirit?

Yes, but probably not as you mean the term. I don't mean some eternal entity temporarily trapped inside of our bodies.

I mean "spirit" as it refers to someone's attitude, disposition, or character. A brave spirit would be someone characterized by bravery. Someone in high spirits would be highly distinguished from someone who is depressed (that is, in low spirits). An exalted spirit may refer to someone who is rapturously excited about life and is eager to face its challenges. (See my avatar.)

The Exalted Spirit of Man refers to humankind at its best and noblest. It is an ideal to contemplate with reverence.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Doveaman]

Yes, but probably not as you mean the term. I don't mean some eternal entity temporarily trapped inside of our bodies.

I mean "spirit" as it refers to someone's attitude, disposition, or character. A brave spirit would be someone characterized by bravery. Someone in high spirits would be highly distinguished from someone who is depressed (that is, in low spirits). An exalted spirit may refer to someone who is rapturously excited about life and is eager to face its challenges. (See my avatar.)

The Exalted Spirit of Man refers to humankind at its best and noblest. It is an ideal to contemplate with reverence.

How do you know you are not describing an actual entity temporary existing inside our bodies? You may very well be.

Attitude? Disposition? Character? They are certainly real. But what are they? Where did they come from? What are they composed of?

 

[sandwiches]

I don't believe I've been the least bit "imprecise". It's not my fault that the universe is filled with interactive circuitry. It's not my fault that living entities posses such sophisticated "circuitry". DNA is the "microscopic" structure that facilitates the development of sustained currents in living organisms on Earth. What sort of structures might facilitate organized and sustained circuitry in space? Stars? Galaxies?

Yet, the only circuitry we know for sure that is used in intellect (i.e. processing of sitmuli) is either in carbon-based lifeforms with DNA or was created by humans. So, which is it? Was this circuitry created by humans or is the universe a carbon-based lifeform with DNA? And no... DNA doesn't mean what you think it means. It means "deoxyribonucleic acid." So, show where the deoxyribonucleic acid of the universe is.

 

[Michael]

Yet, the only circuitry we know for sure that is used in intellect (i.e. processing of sitmuli) is either in carbon-based lifeforms with DNA or was created by humans. So, which is it? Was this circuitry created by humans or is the universe a carbon-based lifeform with DNA?

DNA building blocks can be made in space, NASA evidence suggests
http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_1024_1600.mpg

The building blocks of those DNA structures you are describing are created in space and come from space, as does carbon.

 

[Eudaimonist]

How do you know you are not describing an actual entity temporary existing inside our bodies? You may very well be.

Brain science gives no support to your view, and plenty of reasons to think otherwise.

Attitude? Disposition? Character? They are certainly real. But what are they?

Aspects of brain function.

Where did they come from?

Natural selection.

What are they composed of?

That's not an apt question. They are aspects of brain function.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Michael]

Brain science gives no support to your view, and plenty of reasons to think otherwise.

You mean except for near death experiences? How did the guy in the Lancet study know where his dentures were located?

The Lancet: Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest

 

[Eudaimonist]

You mean except for near death experiences?

No, I don't mean except for those. I'm sorry, but I don't find NDEs credible evidence of psychic powers.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Michael]

No, I don't mean except for those. I'm sorry, but I don't find NDEs credible evidence of psychic powers.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I notice you didn't actually answer my question. Nobody said anything about "psychic powers", just "out of body" experiences of "spirit". The guy with the missing dentures claims to have witnessed the whole event from ABOVE his physical body and he can correctly describe events during the timeline in question, including recognizing the woman who took his dentures, and including where she put them! How do you explain that?

 

[Eudaimonist]

I notice you didn't actually answer my question.

I have no way to answer your question. I wasn't there, and all I have is your story. I have no idea if this event really happened, or if the story is being told accurately and fully.

Do you wish for me to speculate wildly? I don't see the point.



eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Michael]

I have no way to answer your question. I wasn't there, and all I have is your story. I have no idea if this event really happened, or if the story is being told accurately and fully.

Do you wish for me to speculate wildly? I don't see the point.



eudaimonia,

Mark

I guess that's a fair enough answer. It's not as though it's an isolated incident, and it's not exactly "my" story.

This is but one of many published accounts of "out of body" experiences, that include "knowledge" types of accounts.