Americans say country is on wrong track, but votes to stay on it

[disciple Clint]

Aside from the pandemic, the recession, riots, indictments, and Trump trying to assassinate his own VP.

Had it not been for the pandemic Trump would have be reelected imho

 

[Aldebaran]

There will always be drug addicts and alcoholics. Locking them up for using is not the solution. Food addicts also take up hospital space and raise healthcare costs. There are many vices to choose from and I guarantee humans will always have vices.

At least food is a need. Cocaine, pot, meth, Heroin, etc. are not.
Not many people out on the street living in cardboard boxes because they eat too much food.

 

[NxNW]

Heroin is an opioid drug made from morphine, a natural substance taken from the seed pod of the various opium poppy plants. Cocaine is produced from the leaves of the coca plant. Shall I continue?

I'm not sure what your point is, since you don't find heroin or cocaine growing naturally in the ground like you do marijuana or mushrooms.

 

[comana]

At least food is a need. Cocaine, pot, meth, Heroin, etc. are not.
Not many people out on the street living in cardboard boxes because they eat too much food.

Regardless, addiction doesn’t need to be a crime.

 

[Bradskii]

At least food is a need. Cocaine, pot, meth, Heroin, etc. are not.
Not many people out on the street living in cardboard boxes because they eat too much food.

Get the government involved. Make it all available through nominated outlets. Price it at half the current street value and guess what'll happen...suppliers go out of business. And all drug related gang violence dissapears.

Control the supply and you have some leverage over the users. Safe needles. Safe rooms. Options for treatment. Less deaths. A huge drop in the number of kids getting hooked. Together with a huge drop in overdoses.

I'm struggling to think of a negative.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Who's more likely to eliminate or at least reduce drug laws? The democrats or the republicans?

Libertarians.

Or at least classically. That Party seems to have been hollowed out and there is little left but the anarchocapitalists and crypto-facsicts.

 

[ozso]

Libertarians.

Or at least classically. That Party seems to have been hollowed out and there is little left but the anarchocapitalists and crypto-facsicts.

And how much of the house and senate do Libertarians control?

 

[ozso]

No, what you're doing is trying to speak for others.

Putting words and ideas in their mouths that are easier to argue against than say, a moderated drug policy that doesn't imprison more people for drug offences than any other country in the world.

What I am doing is arguing against your actual position, that the Republican party has anything like a sane drug policy.

The Republican's policy on drugs is to become more and more draconian via the police and try to imprison as many people as possible. And, as long as we as a society continue fighting a senseless war on our own population I'm going to hold the same opinion.

And no. I'm not calling republicans fascists, they are something else entirely, but that doesn't make it a good thing.

Which means you favor democrats in office because republicans are too tough of narcotics use, which was my point all along.

 

[Hans Blaster]

And how much of the house and senate do Libertarians control?

0%, the normal percentage (probably a high water mark), but weren't we talking about voters?

 

[ozso]

Not legal to sell, buy or possess amounts deemed as trafficking. Possessing small amounts considered personal use amounts and using is not a crime on its own.

So financing the narcotic trade and keeping manufacturers, traffickers and sellers in business isn't a crime.

 

[comana]

So financing the narcotic trade and keeping manufacturers, traffickers and sellers in business isn't a crime.

Why don’t we focus on the real criminals trafficking the drugs and not the low hanging fruit of addicts.

 

[ozso]

0%, the normal percentage (probably a high water mark), but weren't we talking about voters?

We were talking about which party that actually has control people vote for and why. Reasons why the people, whether they be libertarian or independent or whatever, vote for democrats. Or put another way, some of the main reasons why the democrat party is more appealing to voters. Which boils down to sex and drugs.

 

[Desk trauma]

Get the government involved. Make it all available through nominated outlets. Price it at half the current street value and guess what'll happen...suppliers go out of business. And all drug related gang violence dissapears.

Control the supply and you have some leverage over the users. Safe needles. Safe rooms. Options for treatment. Less deaths. A huge drop in the number of kids getting hooked. Together with a huge drop in overdoses.

I'm struggling to think of a negative.

Unfamiliar with US sadomoralism I see.

 

[Desk trauma]

Why don’t we focus on the real criminals trafficking the drugs and not the low hanging fruit of addicts.

Better yet, don’t give the trade over to violent criminals. Prohibition didn’t work the first time and the sequel is even worse.

 

[Desk trauma]

Libertarians.

Or at least classically. That Party seems to have been hollowed out and there is little left but the anarchocapitalists and crypto-facsicts.

Don’t forget the white supremacy sprinkles.

 

[ozso]

Why don’t we focus on the real criminals trafficking the drugs and not the low hanging fruit of addicts.

Because the "real criminals" depend on those who take narcotics. Or put another way, if people didn't take narcotics to get stoned, there would be no narcotics trafficking. Making it easier to use narcotics, is going to boost trafficking.

 

[ozso]

Regardless, addiction doesn’t need to be a crime.

Possessing narcotics which leads to addiction needs to be a crime.

 

[comana]

Because the "real criminals" depend on those who take narcotics. Or put another way, if people didn't take narcotics to get stoned, there would be no narcotics trafficking. Making it easier to use narcotics, is going to boost trafficking.

Your ideal world will never exist. We need to deal with reality.

 

[variant]

Which means you favor democrats in office because republicans are too tough of narcotics use, which was my point all along.

Nope that's where you shifted the goalposts.

You've tried to ascribe the entire range of political opinions to your opponents without ever really capturing it. But yeah of course I'm not going to vote for groups who have bad policies.

If you can't have a more consistent view of what's going on with both your and others positions without constant use of fallacy it makes little sense to try to have a discussion with you.

 

[comana]

Possessing narcotics which leads to addiction needs to be a crime.

Disagree.