I read Reason regularly. While I don't always agree they are at least approachable. What of this article would you like to discuss?
Perhaps this piece?
Brietbart and the like. Certain to be well balanced. What specific evidence presented here should we address?
Hey look, more claims.
I will not respond to that individual. Do you need it in semaphore? Smoke signals?
We wouldn't teach such things without good evidence that they were true.
See here for example:
Bias Starts as Early as Preschool, but Can Be Unlearned
Such ideas are not indoctrination, they are observed and known ideas from the world.
We wouldn't teach such things without good evidence that they were true.
See here for example:
Bias Starts as Early as Preschool, but Can Be Unlearned
Such ideas are not indoctrination, they are observed and known ideas from the world.
Some here took issue with Ana that he does not claim to have unbidden racist thoughts surface. Yet, if you really can improve in these areas, rigorously challenge your preconceptions, etc. and if, as he noted, he had an upbringing that early on set him on a good course in this regard, why couldn't he be at the point where he is not having racist thoughts pop into his head? Instead of accepting his statement they insisted he was defensive.
See, I provided evidence. Plenty of it. You asked for it. We see CRT IS being taught in schools.
And we fully expect progressives to defend it as a good thing because they believe in it.
We see it as a bad thing and have provided lots of reasons why. Even teachers who are being asked to teach it are saying things.
So now that we've come to the understanding it IS being taught, we can continue the conversation on why it should or should not be taught.
Oh, is that all it takes? You just drop a bunch links and call it evidence? OK
What is critical race theory? Is it really taught in schools?
What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?
Why are states banning critical race theory?
Head of teachers union says critical race theory isn't taught in schools, vows to defend "honest history"
There you go. Proof it is not taught in schools.
Believe in what? CRT? CRT is a process used to look at things. There is nothing there to believe in.
As has been clearly shown, it is not being taught in schools. Perhaps you would care to look at what IS being taught in schools and we can discuss if we see it as positive or negative?
I told you would ignore the evidence. I'm not surprised.
I am sure the CRT is not being taught in every school in the nation. But I have provided evidence as has Ana that it is being taught in schools. Even NEA has admitted that. Why won't you?
I think I see what the issue is. You think CRT is ONLY about the process of a way at looking at things. A strictly clinical look. But that's not what is happening. It's been explained to you and proof and evidence has been shown you that what is being taught goes far beyond a clinical analysis.
That's why people are upset. As you have seen even from this thread and the teaching of racial bias to children. That's part of the CRT teaching in schools.
Becoming Upended: Teaching and Learning about Race and Racism with Young Children and Their Families
Are you going to continue to ignore it? Cause if you are, I guess we are done with the conversation because you have turned a blind eye to the truth of what is going on.
1. Ignoring teachers
2. Ignoring curriculum presented to you.
4. Ignoring the White House support of it in schools
5. Ignoring the NEA
We should teach those things. We can also teach other things because just teaching those things has not worked so far.What should be taught in schools is kindness to one another regardless of our differences. When someone suffers, suffer with them. When someone is happy, be happy with them. Forgive each other when we do something wrong. Be humble, patient with each other. Show compassion and be courteous.
Recognize we are all different, have different backgrounds and experiences and that's okay. Just be good to each other regardless.
It's not that hard. You don't have to teach kids they are a bunch of white racists whether they know it or not.
CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color. CRT also rejects the traditions of liberalism and meritocracy. Legal discourse says that the law is neutral and colorblind, however, CRT challenges this legal “truth” by examining liberalism and meritocracy as a vehicle for self-interest, power, and privilege. CRT also recognizes that liberalism and meritocracy are often stories heard from those with wealth, power, and privilege. These stories paint a false picture of meritocracy; everyone who works hard can attain wealth, power, and privilege while ignoring the systemic inequalities that institutional racism provides.
Can we agree that what is being taught is not CRT but is, as is pointed out in several of the articles I linked, racial concepts some conservatives find objectionable, such as white privilege, systemic inequality? These are not CRT but are tangentialy related.
Because as my links clearly showed, it is not being taught in schools. Shall we talk about what IS being taught in school to see if we agree or disagree with it?
Is the above being taught in schools?
No your link did not claim it was not being taught in schools. It claimed it was not being taught is some schools. My links prove it IS being taught in schools. So you are ignoring that it is being taught in schools.
What you are saying is that because something isn't happening in one place therefore it's not happening anywhere. It would be like saying, there were no BLM riots in Boise Idaho, therefore there were no riots anywhere.
So will you admit it is being taught is schools. At least admit it is being taught in some schools and I'm some school districts. You won't be admitting it is being taught in all schools.
Cause I will admit it is not being taught in all schools.
Hmmm... I disagree but I think you might be correct in that our fundamental disagreement is on what CRT is, can we agree on that?
It is my contention that CRT is much different then it is made out to be and is not where you should be directing your energy. I think that there is a valid case to be made that progressives have gone too far in their views on race. But if you direct your ire at the wrong target the message will be lost in the confusion.Then is it your contention that CRT has been coopted?
So far in this thread there has been a lot of discussion about whether they can be corrected. Unconscious bias is just that--unconscious. I suggested that people who over time have seen their biases revealed can make improvements in regards to their thinking and action. And those who spend time reflecting can over the years make great progress in this regard.
This was particularly in connection to the discussion of unbidden thoughts that surface and can then be analyzed. I am not sure if you have read all of that discussion.
Some here took issue with Ana that he does not claim to have unbidden racist thoughts surface. Yet, if you really can improve in these areas, rigorously challenge your preconceptions, etc. and if, as he noted, he had an upbringing that early on set him on a good course in this regard, why couldn't he be at the point where he is not having racist thoughts pop into his head? Instead of accepting his statement they insisted he was defensive.
As to subconscious bias, by their nature you can never know all the decisions being made by your sub-conscious. Studies can reveal particular ones for particular people. But even if I have participated in bias studies of a few sorts, there still are all kinds of blind spots I may have as to my subconscious.
That is why I stressed that the best course we can take is to whenever possible design systems that weed out potential for bias. I gave the examples, as discussed from other studies and threads, regrading anonymizing job applications, or blind auditions for musical groups ,etc. as examples that eliminate the possibility of bias based on groups or appearance. These types of systemic changes are what you would need, when possible, to weed out unconscious bias in a meaningful way.
Now in regards to children, they are not ready to analyze systems for society. You can teach them each person has value, should be treated fairly, etc. But they are not ready to think through the notion of a sub-conscious that is making judgments behind the scene that are not something they can directly analyze, and that could be harming others without them even realizing. They don't have the ability to manage that.
If you look at the article you posted most of the ways they were to learn about bias were dealing with manifestations of bias through behavior. We have always needed to teach kids about treating people fairly, that everyone has value, dispelling stereotypes, reviewing behavior, etc.
Teaching kids that their sub-conscious will betray them is not a helpful lesson at that age. They have not even learned to regulate the thinking and behavior they are aware of.
Why is it always aimed at white kids? It's not just the fact that we all have biases. We do. Some prefer blondes to brunettes. Some prefer short to tall. So what?
CRT is directly aimed at white kids. You don't see teaching on how much blacks kids have racist thoughts. Or American Indian kids have racist thoughts. No, it's always aimed at white people.
Rather than teaching kids to be kind and generous to everyone, CRT is teaching kids that white people are racist and are the bad people in the world and that's why black kids can't get ahead.
It's indoctrination. That's why you now have people and places desiring to separate people based on race. Because whites are bad and can't be trusted.
It’s gone from “is our children learning?” to “they’re learning ‘the wrong things’!” In what? 16 years?CRT is actually a collegiate idea.
The idea that it is being purposefully taught to children as CRT is generally wrong. Some parts have made their way into influencing what we teach to children.
The current craze that we are teaching a college level analysis of racial/power sociological systems comes mostly from right wing propaganda.
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