American Teachers Resign Over Oddly Similar Circumstances...

[Vylo]

The idea is that the feelings of people who belong to what are deemed “oppressed groups” cannot morally be questioned, because they are a reality in their own right.



If you read up on the Frankfurt School’s “critical theory”, you know exactly what Critical Race Theory is. The theory is to criticize. Constant and continuous destructive criticism with the aim of destroying its target. You also find out that it is indeed is Marxist in origin, and just where the historical connection lies.

Marx, agree or disagree with him, is the basis for a lot of sociological theory, Conflict theory namely.

 

[Torah Keeper]

CRT is racism. Plain and simple. It is designed to divide and destroy USA from within.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The idea is that the feelings of people who belong to what are deemed “oppressed groups” cannot morally be questioned, because they are a reality in their own right.

Which, as an atheist, is never going to fly with me.

If you read up on the Frankfurt School’s “critical theory”, you know exactly what Critical Race Theory is. The theory is to criticize. Constant and continuous destructive criticism with the aim of destroying its target. You also find out that it is indeed is Marxist in origin, and just where the historical connection lies.

I have....and postmodernists aren't what I would call a particularly brilliant group of philosophers. I don't see a big difference between them and sophists.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I hear a lot of uproar about CRT, but no one who can even explain what they are upset about.

I'm concerned about the political indoctrination and if you want examples and a connection to CRT...I can provide all of that.

 

[Vylo]

I'm concerned about the political indoctrination and if you want examples and a connection to CRT...I can provide all of that.

Go on?

 

[Vylo]

CRT is racism. Plain and simple. It is designed to divide and destroy USA from within.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

CRT discusses how racism has become inherent in many of our systems, and the effects of it linger to this day. It isn't designed to divide and destroy, that division was already there, many just chose to ignore it since it favored their side.

 

[Fantine]

I was responding to Bobber's comment that I sounded like Trump when it is obvious that our visions of a great America are diametrically opposed.

I stand by my comment that recognizing America's mistakes---or wanting to make America better--does not imply a lack of love on any teacher's part--or mine.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Go on?

Let's start with a simple description of political indoctrination....

1. Political indoctrination- the teaching of political opinions and beliefs as if they were factual.

Now let's look at a basic college level description of CRT....

What is Critical Race Theory?

CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color. CRT also rejects the traditions of liberalism and meritocracy. Legal discourse says that the law is neutral and colorblind, however, CRT challenges this legal “truth” by examining liberalism and meritocracy as a vehicle for self-interest, power, and privilege. CRT also recognizes that liberalism and meritocracy are often stories heard from those with wealth, power, and privilege. These stories paint a false picture of meritocracy; everyone who works hard can attain wealth, power, and privilege while ignoring the systemic inequalities that institutional racism provides.

I've highlighted everything that can be considered political opinion.

Now, if you go back and read the OP...it shouldn't be hard to see where the teachers resigning are explicitly claiming that the very same political opinions are being taught as factual to children.

If you're having trouble though, let me know, I'll repost those quotes for you.

 

[variant]

CRT discusses how racism has become inherent in many of our systems, and the effects of it linger to this day. It isn't designed to divide and destroy, that division was already there, many just chose to ignore it since it favored their side.

The problem is that if we teach people about these things then we might have to have a conversation about what might be done about it.

 

[Bradskii]

Let's start with a simple description of political indoctrination....

1. Political indoctrination- the teaching of political opinions and beliefs as if they were factual.

Now let's look at a basic college level description of CRT....

What is Critical Race Theory?

CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color. CRT also rejects the traditions of liberalism and meritocracy. Legal discourse says that the law is neutral and colorblind, however, CRT challenges this legal “truth” by examining liberalism and meritocracy as a vehicle for self-interest, power, and privilege. CRT also recognizes that liberalism and meritocracy are often stories heard from those with wealth, power, and privilege. These stories paint a false picture of meritocracy; everyone who works hard can attain wealth, power, and privilege while ignoring the systemic inequalities that institutional racism provides.

I've highlighted everything that can be considered political opinion.

Now, if you go back and read the OP...it shouldn't be hard to see where the teachers resigning are explicitly claiming that the very same political opinions are being taught as factual to children.

If you're having trouble though, let me know, I'll repost those quotes for you.

So it's your opinion that those statements are wrong. OK, let's reverse the position and see if it rings true.

"There is no racism to be found in the fabric and system of the American society.

There isn't a 'dominant culture' and no institutional racism exists.

Power structures based on white privilege and white supremacy cannot be identified because no examples exist. There is no structure which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color.

Legal discourse says that the law is neutral and colorblind and there are no examples of self-interest, power, and privilege contradicting this view.

Those with wealth, power, and privilege rarely espouse liberalism.

Anyone ignoring any systemic inequalities that institutional racism provides can justifiably attain wealth, power, and privilege."

Maybe that's what you think we should teach our kids?

 

[Ana the Ist]

So it's your opinion that those statements are wrong.

No...I said those are opinions.

If you think you can prove any of them as factual though, feel free to choose one and try.

I could use a laugh.

 

[Bradskii]

No...I said those are opinions.

If you think you can prove any of them as factual though, feel free to choose one and try.

I could use a laugh.

Let's do the first one. Which says that there is no racism in the US (and we can assume that all points cover racism experienced by blacks by whites). Do you accept that or not?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Let's do the first one. Which says that there is no racism in the US (and we can assume that all points cover racism experienced by blacks by whites). Do you accept that or not?

I deleted all your strawmen and false dichotomies because it's bad argumentation.

I'm talking about the assumptions, opinions, and beliefs presented in CRT.

If you think any of them are factual....by all means, try to prove them.

Since you can't, they're just political and racial ideology. They are not factual.

 

[Pommer]

The problem is that if we teach people about these things then we might have to have a conversation about what might be done about it.

Well, it’s obvious that that’s not going to happen!

 

[Ana the Ist]

The problem is that if we teach people about these things then we might have to have a conversation about what might be done about it.

Why not start with a conversation about the things you want taught?

If these are bad ideas....they shouldn't be taught apart from examples of bad ideas.

If they don't hold up as facts....they shouldn't be taught as anything other than mere opinions amongst a myriad of opinions.

If you can't even debate their merits....I'd argue that they shouldn't be taught at all.

 

[Bradskii]

I deleted all your strawmen and false dichotomies because it's bad argumentation.

I'm talking about the assumptions, opinions, and beliefs presented in CRT.

So let's look at them.

One of them was that there is racism in the US. It was the first point in that list you posted. You said that all of it was wrong. So if you think that specific point is wrong, then the opposite will be true: There is no racism in the US.

So do you agree with that or not? Or do you think that there is racism in the US?

 

[Ana the Ist]

So let's look at them.

One of them was that there is racism in the US.

You mean this?

CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society.

 

[com7fy8]

Thoughts?

Well, here is some idea about what critical race theory means >

I am getting this through this article in the American Bar Association website, I think > you can find it through this link >

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Here are some things that I understand that this ABA article is saying > I have put in blue what I understand this article is saying about Critical Race Theory; then I offer my comments >

Scientifically, ones of different races are not different in their basic capabilities and the hope of their doing well in this life.

But humans have invented race related attitudes which put certain groups in lower classes than others, though no one is really more or less than anyone else. Humans can tend to make hierarchies of ethnic groups . . . only because of differences which do not really matter.

Racism is not only a thing of certain evil white people, but it is systemic, in the justice system, housing, how readily ones of different groups can get opportunities and education and advancement in professions.

There is a sneaky way of educating along the lines of white culture and leaving out writings and ideas of ones of non-white culture and upbringing.

I can see that this all is true, though it is not how all whites do things, I would say. The issue might be what to do with what is true. It is possible that some number of people in minorities could take bad advantage of efforts to make things more equal. But whites can likewise take bad advantage of getting favor.

Humans are indeed capable of racism and so able to misuse efforts to stop it.

In other countries, other groups can take power over weaker and smaller groups. In Africa, we have reports of how one black group might have people attacking and killing ones of another ethnic group.

There is capability for racism, then, in the character of ones in any race.

Because humans have this ability to put down ones different than their own groups. Even from one mainly white town to another, there can be effort by one town's football team to be better than others. And then there can be ongoing discrimination between members of towns.

People in general have this tendency to have more than others.

This is because we need to love others as ourselves.

And in case someone does not know how to love, yes he or she can compete against and discriminate against ones of other ethnic groups, or towns, partly in order to keep those people from getting what the discriminator wants. But if a person does not know how to love others, the person can have deep problems which effect also how well he or she can relate with ones even in one's own family.

So, in case certain whites are hurting others of different ethnic groups, those people also are hurting their own selves. Their character is their real trouble; their racism is only one product.

And no amount of laws can make people love!!

And when blacks have the greater power, socially, like in certain areas of Africa . . . ones of those blacks also can prove to not know how to love, and so they can do discriminatory things, too . . . and miss out on how they could be tenderly sharing as family in their own homes.

So, what is needed the most is not only teaching how certain people have hurt black people, but we need to learn how to love. And know how the victims, too, need to learn.

 

[Bradskii]

You mean this?

CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society.

My question if you could. Do you think there is racism in the US? It's not the most difficult question you'll ever be asked so a simple answer should be available. What do you think?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well, here is some idea about what critical race theory means >

I am getting this through this article in the American Bar Association website, I think > you can find it through this link >

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Here are some items that seem to be included in Critical Race Theory > what I understand from and ABA article is in blue; then I offer my comments >

Scientifically, ones of different races are not different in their basic capabilities and the hope of their doing well in this life.

But humans have invented race attitudes which put certain groups in lower classes than others, though no one is really more or less than anyone else. Humans can tend to make hierarchies of ethnic groups . . . only because of differences which do not really matter.

Racism is not only a thing of certain evil white people, but it is systemic, in the justice system, housing, how readily ones of different groups can get opportunities and education and advancement in professions.

There is a sneaky way of educating along the lines of white culture and leaving out writings and ideas of ones of non-white culture and upbringing.

I can see that this all is true, though it is not how all whites do things, I would say. The issue might be what to do with what is true. It is possible that some number of people in minorities could take bad advantage of efforts to make things more equal. But whites can likewise take bad advantage of getting favor.

Humans are indeed capable of racism and misusing efforts to stop it.

In other countries, other groups can take power over weaker and smaller groups. In Africa, we have reports of how one black group might have people attacking and killing ones of another ethnic group.

Because humans have this ability to put down ones different than their own groups. Even from one mainly white town to another, there can be effort by one town's football team to be better than others. And then there can be ongoing discrimination between members of towns.

People in general have this tendency to have more than others.

This is because we need to love others as ourselves.

And in case someone does not know how to love, yes he or she can compete against and discriminate against ones of other ethnic groups, partly in order to keep those people from getting what the discriminator wants. But if a person does not know how to love others, the person can have deep problems which effect also how well he or she can relate with ones even in one's own family.

So, in case certain whites are hurting others of different ethnic groups, those people also are hurting their own selves.

And when blacks have the greater power, socially, like in certain areas of Africa . . . ones of those blacks also can prove to not know how to love, and so they can do discriminatory things, too . . . and miss out no how they could be tenderly sharing as family in their own homes.

So, what is needed the most is not only teaching how certain people have hurt black people, but we need to learn how to love. And know how the victims, too, need to learn.

From the link you provided....

• Acknowledgement that racism is a normal feature of society and is embedded within systems and institutions, like the legal system, that replicate racial inequality. This dismisses the idea that racist incidents are aberrations but instead are manifestations of structural and systemic racism.

We could replace the word "acknowledgement" with the word "assumption" here and it would not change the meaning here since none of the rest of the statement is proven.

Would you agree?