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Almost a trillion euros to be invested into the EU defense in the coming years

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More, better, European: White Paper maps path for EU rearmament​

Next week, the EU Commission will present the White Paper on the Future of European Defence, with guidelines on how to boost production and defence readiness in the face of possible Russian military aggression.

Trump wanted the EU to level up the defense spending. Did he want it to be so high, though? Will this create a competition for the US?
 

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Hopefully we'll buy as little as possible from US manufacturers.
It would be ideal, if the money could stay in the EU economy. But the problem is the production capacity.

For example, the Czech republic ordered just 14 leopard tanks from Germany few years ago to test them, but it will take till the end of 2026 to deliver just these 14 tanks. There are plans to buy another 77 tanks, but this delivery will start in 2027 and only maybe.

That is also why Poland had to buy tanks in South Korea to get them quickly.
 
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It would be ideal, if the money could stay in the EU economy. But the problem is the production capacity.

For example, the Czech republic ordered just 14 leopard tanks from Germany few years ago to test them, but it will take till the end of 2026 to deliver just these 14 tanks. There are plans to buy another 77 tanks, but this delivery will start in 2027 and only maybe.

That is also why Poland had to buy tanks in South Korea to get them quickly.
Demand creates supply. Incentivising building more weapon plants is a good thing.
 
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Demand creates supply. Incentivising building more weapon plants is a good thing.
But because our economies are not built upon the defense industry, what will we do with those plants after the nations' stocks will be filled in 5 years. We would need to abandon them again (if there will be no war, hopefully).

Also, I do not know where to even get employees for those plants, the unemployment rate in the EU is quite low.
 
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But because our economies are not built upon the defense industry, what will we do with those plants after the nations' stocks will be filled in 5 years. We would need to abandon them again (if there will be no war, hopefully).

Also, I do not know where to even get employees for those plants, the unemployment rate in the EU is quite low.
There's always a war, and we can supply the people fighting that war. Both sides, ideally.
 
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There's always a war, and we can supply the people fighting that war. Both sides, ideally.
:idea: Or, we can sell them to Americans, for a change.
 
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Hopefully we'll buy as little as possible from US manufacturers.
From what I've read of these investments, a good portion of the money is aimed at building up infrastructure and production capability, not just buying stuff. One example is, if I remember the numbers correctly, Patria here got about a 300 million € investment into building up and expanding their manufacturing capability. This is just off the top of my head, I might remember details of the deal a bit wrong, but I remember 300 million being the figure talked about.

And Germany has specifically talked about investing in its internal infrastructure.
 
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This is what happens when you attempt to change the status quo. If the world continues on this trajectory then the USA will soon be supplanted as world leader. Could be one day American looks back and sees how MAGA was not so great after all. I imagine though it is God's will, as many do think that the EU has a much bigger role in the end times than the USA. So, this shift has implications for Israel's future. I'm just glad that Jesus will save them in the end.
 
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