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ALL WOF'ers COMPLETELY HEALED?

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Whether the sick person is using there faith or not is irrelevent.
It is the prayer of faith that leads to healing and this is being said by the elder, not the sick so the responcibility falls on to who ever is organising or running the healing session, it is there faith that is being challenged.
If they are blaming the sick for lack of faith then my use of the word charlaten is accuracte and valid.
A man of God will not blaime the sick for not being healed.
 
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God is not a vending machine. He chooses to heal or not to heal according to his will.
Do you mean to say rejection of Christ's volitional sovereignty that is, His all authority in heaven & earth, as the reason why many WOF preachers aren't healed?
 
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How can his faith be irrelevant if (faith used) is the only way to please God?


 
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So are you certain they were completely healed?

If one ages, needs glasses, medical aids, feels joint pain or any other daily pain of any kind they are completely healed. We all are under the curse on creation. There is no promise of a perfect body until the resurrection.
 
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Do you mean to say rejection of Christ's volitional sovereignty that is, His all authority in heaven & earth, as the reason why many WOF preachers aren't healed?

I am saying that God has a will. He may choose to heal when he wants to. He may choose not to heal that the pain, sickness, illness or injury can be used towards our sanctification.

As I understand it, they believe God will always do what they demand or ask.
 
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How can his faith be irrelevant if (faith used) is the only way to please God?



The point of the passage in James is the healing relies on the faith of the elders praying, not the sick person. Also, I pointed out the Dead Person and bones in the cave do not have faith. God acts in his time and place.
 
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How can his faith be irrelevant if (faith used) is the only way to please God?



Are suck people coming to experience a miracle done by the healer's faith in order for the gospel to be confirmed to them & have faith OR to be healed?

If a sick person has faith to be healed why does he need a healer?
 
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If one ages, needs glasses, medical aids, feels joint pain or any other daily pain of any kind they are completely healed. We all are under the curse on creation. There is no promise of a perfect body until the resurrection.
So why faith in Christ's death & resurrection?
 
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He may choose not to heal that the pain, sickness, illness or injury can be used towards our sanctification

Isn't faith the end of sanctification?
 
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How can his faith be irrelevant if (faith used) is the only way to please God?


No where does the bible say that it is the faith of the sick person that God responds to.

It is the faith of the man of faith who is praying for the sick person to be healed that is relevent.
 
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God is not a vending machine. He chooses to heal or not to heal according to his will.

Jesus healed everyone who came to Him. I believe that this has already been said by others.


 
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The point of the passage in James is the healing relies on the faith of the elders praying, not the sick person. Also, I pointed out the Dead Person and bones in the cave do not have faith. God acts in his time and place.

By the use of the church elders is only one way in praying for the sick. All believers may operate in the great commission.

Mark 16:17-18 "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will be recovered."

 
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Matthew 9: 27. And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. 28. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. 29. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. 30. And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know

Now, you can drop the Adhominim and study a bit.
 
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God is not a vending machine. He chooses to heal or not to heal according to his will.

So then He must be a respecter of persons , and His Word is a lie.
Or people Parrot old wives tales passed down for generations ,rather than reading God's Word for themselves.
 
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You know what, Elishsa had a double portion of anointing more than Elijah , yet He died of sickness.
Here's another thing you may know if you understand the spiritual nature of of God.
A Prophet must have a Wittness.
Often people with the Gift of healing neglect their own.
I know a Pastor who has laid hands on cancer and it was gone, yet He lost his jaw and the roof of his mouth to cancer.
Just because someone operates in the gifts of the Spirit ,does not give them a pass on what Satan attacks with.
Many on your list are not even Word of Faith
Who heals the Healer?
Christ does by Faith guess what the Healer is subject to the same spiritual laws anyone else is.
That is where you miss it, we make no claims of superpower We proclaim God's Word.
One thing is for sure you will never have what you speak against, stay healthy
It's a cruel World and a roaring lion is at our doorstep.
 
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Jesus did :

Mark 6: 4. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Once again learn what you speak and then you can have a ribbon
 
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Jesus healed everyone who came to Him. I believe that this has already been said by others.



This is a waste, all they want is to attack God's Word, it is deception.
It is a lie by omission.
They are as sneaky as the televangelist they critize.
This is a group that seeks to cause discord, and they need to repent.
 
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I wonder in general , if idiots have feelings?
You know some of us maybe myself may be going through somthing.
Maybe a daughter who is in a hospital bed tonight.
Thank you for this stellar group of people just ready to offer prayer and consolation.

Here is a sermon some may relate to:

 
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What is it?

In reality are all wof'ers completely healed?

It would be according to their faith, right? We need to acknowledge that God's provision for healing has already been provided for, right? Once we do acknowledge that... we need to (now) appropriate our faith... and (now) receive what God has already done for us. "I believe, I receive when I pray" (Mark 11:24) paraphrased.


 
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