Soar Like and Eagle
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I am not offended. I get offended when people ignore my post and when I ask them a spiritual question that does not fit their way of seeing things they are not spiritually strong enough to confront the question. That is just spiritual immaturity the perfect definition of a goat believer.I do have to admit that your thinking repulses me. For you are blaming God for all we suffer instead of placing the responsibility with the sinner where it belongs and in so doing you stumble many away from ever desiring to have faith in a God they, by way of accepting such views as yours, see as an evil tyrant. Why do you think men debate whether the OT God is the true God? Do you not pay any attention to the talk of people around you in the world?
Wise young Elihu told Job, "Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity." Job 34:10
Abraham's faith in the goodness of God was shown, here:
Genesis 18:23-25
23 "And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
Yet you accuse God of not only being able to choose to destroy the wicked and the righteous together, but of all evil which has befallen man. And I have to admit that makes your way of thinking curdle my stomach. For there can be no greater example of evil thinking than that. How can you not see that?
This shows me how little you do think. For you should have no problem knowing that evil is not a real or tangible thing. Evil is a concept. It is not something one creates like a tangible object but it is the consequences of ones actions as in "that person has created havoc."
And so i find it deplorable when anyone fails to see that they their own self by their choices which govern their own conduct either do good or create evil. Evil is a concept describing the quality of our choice of actions. The word in Hebrew or Greek is predominantly used as a verb just as is love (agapao) denoting an action which resists. And so God in the name of justice can use an appropriate evil to resist the inappropriate evil by man, such as at Isaiah 45:7 where the Hebrew word "ra'" is better translated as "calamity." And you would know that if you paid attention to the context where it shows that he is telling the children of Israel that after having allowed them their day to be darkened and filled with the evil of distress by letting them go into captivity to Babylon that He was now going to take action to restore the light of day to them and the goodness of peace instead of the evil of calamity that He let befall them.
Evil is a by-product of our choice of actions. We or God creates it only by how we choose to act. And when God chooses to use evil as his manner of action he always does so righteously in the cause of justice.
Please get this matter straight in you mind so that others do not run off following your manner of thinking and end up hating God out of ignorance.
I would not want to be your child if you as a father had no faith in me. Love does not foresee that we are going to choose to do evil. Love trusts and by trusting teaches us to trust. If God suspiciously looked into man's future that way he would then have set an example that when we followed it would surely lead to hating one another even before we actually did wrong to one another. Your manner of thinking is unreasonable and dangerous.
Christ Jesus lived and died, not just to provide a ransom for our sins, but also to vindicate his Father's name in this earth by showing us the goodness of God. And your thinking when you teach others to think that way works against the very meaning of the life of Christ who lived and died to vindicate his Father's name.
This is really beside the point, but I know you are using it to claim that God had to know ahead of time every detail that would ever be. Well, I know you are wrong. Start a thread on Omniscience and I will present the Scriptural proofs. That happens to be a subject I have spent more time analyzing than many other subjects. And I understand how and why you think as you do, for I used to also. But I now understand.
So you think that God is a control freak? If so you really do not know God.
I am sorry if any of this sounds offensive, but few subjects get my dander up like this one. It hurts me to see people blaming God rather than accepting to place responsibility where it belongs.
I see God as a God of love not this evil monster you some how have gathered from my post? I see God with a plan and a purpose for all people not just a few. I do not see God as angry and vengeful as religion sees Him but this angry is for a moment. You seem to have a problem with my belief that God is totally sovereign over all thing especially evil but for him not to be would mean there is a greater god more powerful over evil and God is helpless to control this.
You said" I accuse God of not only being able to choose to destroy the wicked and the righteous together" ? i do not believe this but I do believe we will all go thought God's spiritual fire not to destroy but to change.
In reference to the word "ra" amen. Evil and calamity mean the same thing.
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