All about your doctrine....

[JamesMichael]

Total Depravity:

(Rom. 3:10-20 AV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15) Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16) Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17) And the way of peace have they not known:
18) There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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Unconditional Election:

(Rom. 9:11 AV) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth


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Limited Atonement:

(Matt. 1:21 AV) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.


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Irresistable Grace:

(Is. 55:11 AV) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


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Perseverance of the Saints:

(Ps. 37:23-24 AV) The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way. 24) Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.


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It is upon you to show that any passages contradict these because I do not know of any.


Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

I'll be pretty busy today Jon, my son, who is a deputy Sheriffhere in Oklahoma is bringing his wife and son for a visit I haven't seen them for a few weeks so I won't be online much, my Grandson thinks poppa is all that and a big bag of Chocolate bars!

BUT I will say this, someone here in the forums recently said that I would have to post more than one or two scriptures to give satisfactory credence to my own beliefs, and Jon, on each of your points, you have only used one, or two scriptures as your Biblical evidence to support the credence of your beliefs?

Is that an equally fair requriement, or meant only for non Calvinists?

Let me say this as well, the only part of your doctrine I disagree with is the LIP portion of TULIP.

So when I do have the opportunity to return, which might very well be after the weekend as I will also be involved in a very big anual Church event this weekend, we will address those points in particular.

Until then please see if you can find any other satisfactory scriptures to better support those points, and I also will look for scriptures to better support my own beliefs....

 

[BBAS 64]

I'll be pretty busy today Jon, my son, who is a deputy Sheriffhere in Oklahoma is bringing his wife and son for a visit I haven't seen them for a few weeks so I won't be online much, my Grandson thinks poppa is all that and a big bag of Chocolate bars!

BUT I will say this, someone here in the forums recently said that I would have to post more than one or two scriptures to give satisfactory credence to my own beliefs, and Jon, on each of your points, you have only used one, or two scriptures as your Biblical evidence to support the credence of your beliefs?

Is that an equally fair requriement, or meant only for non Calvinists?

Let me say this as well, the only part of your doctrine I disagree with is the LIP portion of TULIP.

So when I do have the opportunity to return, which might very well be after the weekend as I will also be involved in a very big anual Church event this weekend, we will address those points in particular.

Until then please see if you can find any other satisfactory scriptures to better support those points, and I also will look for scriptures to better support my own beliefs....

Good Day, James

I would like to remind you this is not a fourm for debate. Jon has given his Scripture, he is under NO opligation to support his view your question has been answered IMHO. If you have any futher questions that is an other story.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[CoffeeSwirls]

I also will look for scriptures to better support my own beliefs....

That's the foundation for the problem. You want to treat the Bible like a wax nose that you can shape into an image of yourself. For the record, you are on my ignore list, so if you respond to this I'll never know it. You were a troll as pentecostal evangelist and you are a troll as JamesMichael. You lie about who you are so we should have no reason to believe you when you say what you are.

I'm through feeding this troll.

 

[Elect]

But if God knows who is going to choose him in advance...wouldn't it be safe to assume that God chooses us based on his foreknowledge?

No, for God is the cause of us choosing Him.

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple. (Psalm 65:4)

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. (Matthew 11:25-27)

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. (Matthew 13:10-11)

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:8)

Is there something he forsees in us that warrants that choosing?

No.

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Romans 9:11-13)

but if he didn't allow them to hear and act on the gospel and choose him then it's hardly their fault is it?

God still holds man accountable.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? (ROMANS 9:14-24)

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Romans 1:18-21)

 

[ConfidentlyNonCalvinist]

That's the foundation for the problem. You want to treat the Bible like a wax nose that you can shape into an image of yourself. For the record, you are on my ignore list, so if you respond to this I'll never know it. You were a troll as pentecostal evangelist and you are a troll as JamesMichael. You lie about who you are so we should have no reason to believe you when you say what you are.

I'm through feeding this troll.

So then I'll just throw the Bible in the garbage, after all if only part of the Bible applies, then none of it is any good for anything.....

 

[reformedfan]

'bout time Arminians realized that, come into the light now that you understand, agree with & see the sovereignty of God in salvation & the wonderful logic of TULIP

 

[Fatty]

'bout time Arminians realized that, come into the light now that you understand, agree with & see the sovereignty of God in salvation & the wonderful logic of TULIP

Oh no I have never once in anyway insinuated that Arminians are NOT christians, have YOU reformedfan?

Quit denying your actions!

 

[reformedfan]

no, this pertains to discipling, '"Teech"

 

[Fatty]

no, this pertains to discipling, '"Teech"

Fervently praying for your deliverance from the bondage of denial that you are ensnared in......

 

[reformedfan]

good thing you are omniscient, james 3:1, "teech"

 

[Fatty]

good thing you are omniscient, james 3:1, "teech"