Adventist end time beliefs?

[Dave L]

When the manna stopped - upon entering the Land.

So they worked on Saturday in Canaan?

 

[Dave-W]

So they worked on Saturday in Canaan?

Did I say that?

Of course not.

Stop twisting things or you will be banned from this folder as well.

 

[Dave L]

Did I say that?

Of course not.

I did some checking;


SABBATH DAY’s JOURNEY (σαββάτον ὁδός, sabbath journey, sabbath day’s journey). A measure of distance, somewhat similar to the Egyp. unit of 1000 double steps, which served as the limit of travel on the sabbath. The phrase became a common expression for a relatively short distance.

The distance has been generally reckoned as 2000 cubits or approximately 2/3 of a m. Acts 1:12, the only instance of its occurrence in the Bible, specifies its length as the distance from Mt. Olivet to Jerusalem. (From the Eastern gate of Jerusalem to the present site of the Church of the Ascension on Mt. Olivet is slightly over 1/2 m.)

It is assumed that the regulation had its origin in the Mosaic period in the injunction to the Israelite not to leave camp to collect manna on the sabbath (Exod 16:29). In the Jerusalem Targ. this command reads: “Let no man go walking from the place beyond 2000 cubits on the seventh day.” There are other regulations to which appeal is made in an effort to locate the origin of this practice or precept. One is the provision that the area belonging to the Levitical cities included land which extended from the wall 2000 cubits on every side (Num 35:5). Another is the supposed distance that separated the Ark and the people both on the march and at camp (Josh 3:4). As far as this specific regulation is concerned, it applied only to leaving the city, the prescribed distance being measured from the city gate. Within the city proper, no matter how large it might be, there was no such limitation.

The original intent of the provision was to insure a quiet, leisurely Sabbath and to keep it from becoming a harried and busy day (Exod 16:29). It was also designed to keep the Israelitish worshiper in the area of the center of his worship. The motive was noble but, unfortunately, it resulted in a barren legalism. As a consequence, there were casuistic schemes to circumvent it. It did, however, permit a legitimate exception. If one were caught at a distance on a journey, he might travel to the nearest shelter for safety. But there were deliberate schemes to by-pass the rule. One such scheme was to select a tree or a stone at a distance, place some food there, and declare: “Let this be my residence.”

Bibliography Mishnah, tr. H. Danby, Erubin, 4 (1933); J. S. Davis, “Sabbath,” DDB (1954), 662-665; H. Porter, “Sabbath Day’s Journey,” ISBE, IV (1955), 2634; D. J. Wiseman, “Weights and Measures,” NDB (1962), 1324; T. S. Kepler, “Sabbath Day’s Journey,” IDB, IV (1962), 141; P. van Imschoot, “Sabbath Journey,” EGB (1963), 2076.

Sabbath Day’s Journey - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

 

[Dave-W]

I did some checking;


SABBATH DAY’s JOURNEY (σαββάτον ὁδός, sabbath journey, sabbath day’s journey). A measure of distance, somewhat similar to the Egyp. unit of 1000 double steps, which served as the limit of travel on the sabbath. The phrase became a common expression for a relatively short distance.

The distance has been generally reckoned as 2000 cubits or approximately 2/3 of a m. Acts 1:12, the only instance of its occurrence in the Bible, specifies its length as the distance from Mt. Olivet to Jerusalem. (From the Eastern gate of Jerusalem to the present site of the Church of the Ascension on Mt. Olivet is slightly over 1/2 m.)

It is assumed that the regulation had its origin in the Mosaic period in the injunction to the Israelite not to leave camp to collect manna on the sabbath (Exod 16:29). In the Jerusalem Targ. this command reads: “Let no man go walking from the place beyond 2000 cubits on the seventh day.” There are other regulations to which appeal is made in an effort to locate the origin of this practice or precept. One is the provision that the area belonging to the Levitical cities included land which extended from the wall 2000 cubits on every side (Num 35:5). Another is the supposed distance that separated the Ark and the people both on the march and at camp (Josh 3:4). As far as this specific regulation is concerned, it applied only to leaving the city, the prescribed distance being measured from the city gate. Within the city proper, no matter how large it might be, there was no such limitation.

The original intent of the provision was to insure a quiet, leisurely Sabbath and to keep it from becoming a harried and busy day (Exod 16:29). It was also designed to keep the Israelitish worshiper in the area of the center of his worship. The motive was noble but, unfortunately, it resulted in a barren legalism. As a consequence, there were casuistic schemes to circumvent it. It did, however, permit a legitimate exception. If one were caught at a distance on a journey, he might travel to the nearest shelter for safety. But there were deliberate schemes to by-pass the rule. One such scheme was to select a tree or a stone at a distance, place some food there, and declare: “Let this be my residence.”

Bibliography Mishnah, tr. H. Danby, Erubin, 4 (1933); J. S. Davis, “Sabbath,” DDB (1954), 662-665; H. Porter, “Sabbath Day’s Journey,” ISBE, IV (1955), 2634; D. J. Wiseman, “Weights and Measures,” NDB (1962), 1324; T. S. Kepler, “Sabbath Day’s Journey,” IDB, IV (1962), 141; P. van Imschoot, “Sabbath Journey,” EGB (1963), 2076.

Sabbath Day’s Journey - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

Which is why Chassidic, Orthodox and some Conservative Jews live within walking distance of their synagogue.

 

[Dave L]

Which is why Chassidic, Orthodox and some Conservative Jews live within walking distance of their synagogue.

Do they heat their homes when 20 below on Saturday?

 

[Dave-W]

Do they heat their homes when 20 below on Saturday?

With an automatic system that they do not touch for 25 hours.

Neither do they turn lights on or off. (prohibition on kindling a fire) they came up with an ingenious little device called the Kosher Lamp:

The light stays on but you turn the outside to block it.

 

[Dave L]

With an automatic system that they do not touch for 25 hours.

Neither do they turn lights on or off. (prohibition on kindling a fire) they came up with an ingenious little device called the Kosher Lamp:

The light stays on but you turn the outside to block it.

Isn't this "working the system"? It's still a fire whether on premises or not.

 

[Dave-W]

Isn't this "working the system"? It's still a fire whether on premises or not.

It is neither kindling nor extinguishing a fire. It uses LED bulbs.
And they are battery operated.

 

[Dave L]

It is neither kindling nor extinguishing a fire. It uses LED bulbs.
And they are battery operated.

Seems they're missing the Spirit here. Fire is sinful but electric blankets are not?

Also, how do you feel being around people God must threaten to kill in an effort to keep them from stealing your money and killing you?

 

[BobRyan]

Do they heat their homes when 20 below on Saturday?

Don't you just love how people who object to the Bible sabbath have inserted ideas that can't be proven in scripture.

No text says "don't heat your home" or "dont allow heat in your home on the Sabbath" as we all know.

The act of "kindling" a fire is very labor intensive for anyone who has tried to do that out in the wilderness -- "odd" that we can all figure this out ... but when reading the bible it suddenly becomes very "confusing".

 

[BobRyan]

Fire is sinful

more statements found not in scripture - only found as a quote by those claiming to oppose the Bible Sabbath

 

[Dave-W]

Fire is sinful but electric blankets are not?

Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Dave L]

Where do you get this stuff?

If you don't work the system, you cannot cook or heat your house on Saturday when its -20.

 

[Dave-W]

If you don't work the system, you cannot cook or heat your house on Saturday when its -20.

Have you read the text? It says "do not kindle."

Exodus 35:3
You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.”​

Kindling (starting) a fire is NOT the same as maintaining an already going fire.

 

[Dave L]

Have you read the text? It says "do not kindle."

Exodus 35:3
You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.”​

Kindling (starting) a fire is NOT the same as maintaining an already going fire.

Are we working the system here? Losing the spirit of the law?

 

[Dave-W]

Are we working the system here? Losing the spirit of the law?

Not really. The approach you seem to be advocating goes even beyond the extensions and additions to the Law that the Pharisees did. Why are you following their example?

 

[Dave L]

Not really. The approach you seem to be advocating goes even beyond the extensions and additions to the Law that the Pharisees did. Why are you following their example?

Let's face it. Nobody keeps the Sabbath as outlined by Moses.

 

[BobRyan]

Dave L said: ↑
Fire is sinful but electric blankets are not?

Where do you get this stuff?

People that don't keep Sabbath make stuff up for those who do? That is a "thing"??

 

[BobRyan]

Have you read the text? It says "do not kindle."

Exodus 35:3
You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.”​

Kindling (starting) a fire is NOT the same as maintaining an already going fire.

Anyone who has watched one of those survival shows know that getting a fire started is no small task.

 

[BobRyan]

God must threaten to kill in an effort to keep them from stealing your money and killing you?

oddly enough civil laws still work that way -- welcome to the real world.

Interesting that God will "kill" for eating an apple. Turns out you are living that reality as is all mankind. Romans 3:19-23