Adolf Hitler - The World's Most Infamous Creationist

[AV1611VET]

I don't even think any of them are on. And I only replied an hour after you posted, so it's not like it was sitting there all day.



Why do you feel they do and why do you feel that makes doing basically the same thing okay?

Just for kicks: 45.

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[lasthero]

Just for kicks: 45.

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I do note that. As well, I note your deleted comment on the next page.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do note that. As well, I note your deleted comment on the next page.

For the record, here is my deleted comment:

Charles Darwin and his disciple Adolf Hitler said otherwise.

Which one's which, Agonaces?

(Just curious --- )

 

[Oafman]

If the ultra-corporatist Nazis were 'socialists', then so was Ronald Reagan.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Pleast don't quote a giant post in it's entirety and respond with a single sentence.

I know right! I did it and when it popped up I cringed and thought to myself how I hate when people do that. Sorry. I totally agree.

 

[AV1611VET]

I know right! I did it and when it popped up I cringed and thought to myself how I hate when people do that. Sorry. I totally agree.

Right.

Because after we read a wall of text, we need two more screens of commentary.

 

[grasping the after wind]

If the ultra-corporatist Nazis were 'socialists', then so was Ronald Reagan.

What is a corporation but a limited collective? The crony corporatism ( limited collectivism?) of Hitler is the exact opposite of the free market favored by Reagan and much more similar to the kind of corporate favoritism for the politically connected that is now in vogue in the US government. The principles that drive socialism are the same ones that drive fascism. i.e. that the collective good takes precedence over the rights of the individual and that those in power always are correct when they decide what the collective good is.

 

[dad]

I was still a Christian at the time, and I had never given any real thought to Hitler and his own religious beliefs, though if I had done so the last thing I would have considered him was Christian. And the last thing I wanted to admit to myself was that Hitler had been a devout Christian.

Sometimes going to 'church' is something that can be done for connections, appearances, and political reasons. We can't go by a few statements and appearances in church.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them."

That is politics obviously. Rabble rousing, and nothing remotely similar to what Jesus said. It should tell one that the guy was opposed to Christ.

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has

been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

No, that isn't from a modern day, Republican speech; that's what Hitler said in a statement in 1933.

Regarding families doesn't mean killing them, and doing monstrous experiments, and etc.

And even more surprising was the Nazi banned book list; Darwin's "On the Origins of Species" and any book deemed to support evolution it were on it.

"The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator."

"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger."

Nope, those aren't quotes from Ray Comfort or Kent Hovind as one might understandably assume; Hitler said those things in his book, "Mein Kampf."

No one is all bad! He had that right. The law of averages demand he get something right!

As a Christian, I still had no trouble incorporating evolution into my beliefs; I saw evolution as God's method of producing all of the species we see on Earth.

Not believing in an actual creation or the bible would fit in with evolution I guess.

To me, Darwin's book being on the banned list didn't make any sense.

Who would it please to ban something? A large voting block? It makes sense. When a person is given over to bad spirits, what they say is basically irrelevant.

What about the Nazi breeding programs? That's about evolution, isn't it?

Well, no. Hitler's program didn't involve evolution. As my father-in-law explained, Hitler prescribed to a belief called Eugenics, which is breeding for a superior (Aryan) race.

Planned Parenthood does the same. Weed out the unwanted and weak...kill em...is what they seem to advocate.

In Eugenics, the aim is to breed a "superior" version of a species; to lessen genetic diversity in favor of traits deemed to be preferable.

Even the devil knows evolution is a crock.

So the next time someone wants to equate you, as an atheist, with Hitler, I invite you to share Hitler's actual beliefs with them. Then just sit back and relax as the faithful endure spastic mental gymnastics trying to spin it all.

I think that the Nazis believed in some sort of beings under the earth. That would not, if true, make them atheists.

Looking back on that discussion with my father-in-law, considering the information I've gathered about Hitler myself since becoming fluent in German, and combined with my loss of faith, I'm actually not surprised anymore that Hitler was a Christian and a Creationist. If someone is delusional enough to think they're on a mission from God to commit genocide, it isn't much of a stretch for them to be delusional enough to believe that Adam and Eve probably saddled up a triceratops when they had to make long journeys, is it?

Yes. If they were on a mission from God they would not oppose the word of God as Obama does and Hitler did. What some demon inspired person says to placate their nation, or control them has no great value.

Economics and politics played huge roles in the Nazis coming to power.

Duh...this is unique?? Name some nations or leaders that did NOT see those things enter in!!!?

Finally, the faithful might argue that Hitler was not a real Christian. Although the average German, including my former father-in-law, himself a Christian, will readily tell you that Hitler was. And given Hitler's statements, I think it's safe to assume he would argue that he most certainly was a Christian, and that's the important aspect.

False. Look at the whole picture including the occult connections. Statements are for show. It is dangerous to believe the lying words of a despot who opposes the word of God, clearly as Hitler did.

Because whether Hitler was a Christian in someone else's view or according to their definition is beside the point; the point is that, as someone who believed in a god, Hitler was not an atheist.

Right. Neither was Judas, or Satan, nor will the AntiChrist be.

 

[Oafman]

Clearly, Hitler was not a true Scotsman.

 

[AV1611VET]

Clearly, Hitler was not a true Scotsman.

Were the British, when they impressed our Americal sailors?

 

[Klonz]

Were the British, when they impressed our Americal sailors?

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[AV1611VET]

What is that supposed to mean?

Don't you know what a "True Scotsman" is?

 

[HitchSlap]

Don't you know what a "True Scotsman" is?

Which, what, winnows the number of "True Christians" down to you and your wife?

 

[Klonz]

Which, what, winnows the number of "True Christians" down to you and your wife?

lol. That's naughty.

 

[Strathos]

What is the point of this? It doesn't matter what Hitler believed.

If he was a creationist/evolutionist, it doesn't make all creationists/evolutionists like him, nor does it make creationism/evolution false because he believed it.

Hitler and Stalin both had mustaches so you might as well say mustaches make you evil.

 

[grasping the after wind]

What is the point of this? It doesn't matter what Hitler believed.

If he was a creationist/evolutionist, it doesn't make all creationists/evolutionists like him, nor does it make creationism/evolution false because he believed it.

Hitler and Stalin both had mustaches so you might as well say mustaches make you evil.

They both believed that the collective good took precedence over individual rights. So whoever else believes that is obviously a genocidal maniac.

 

[dad]

What is the point of this? It doesn't matter what Hitler believed.

If he was a creationist/evolutionist, it doesn't make all creationists/evolutionists like him, nor does it make creationism/evolution false because he believed it.

Hitler and Stalin both had mustaches so you might as well say mustaches make you evil.

That seems to be a sane perspective. In addition, what they believed has little to do with it, the issue seems to be what the mouthed as a position or 'belief'.

 

[dad]

They both believed that the collective good took precedence over individual rights. So whoever else believes that is obviously a genocidal maniac.

So you didn't vote Democrat...OK.

 

[dad]

Clearly, Hitler was not a true Scotsman.

He claimed he liked bagpipes, but didn't act like a Scot.

 

[andy b]

stalin and hitler are are just a few of the inhuman people who litter the history books....lets be honest if you look at mankind from an out side perspective its a horror story you couldn't make up ...from torture to genocide to atomic bombs really its amazing that as a species we have lasted so long...