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Adam's Lease -- or whatever it's called

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Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I do not believe Satan, has any more rights to a sinner than a saint.
We are a purchased possession,if he had legal rights to sinners other than temptation,no one would be saved.

We must exercise our free will in salvation,satan would remove the choice.
 
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God as owner of the earth has certain legal rights.

the devil as a leaseholder has certain legal rights.

the devil's right are as the ruler over the earth's kingdoms and over people that are not born again.
With all due respect to you Optimax -- truly, my respects to you --

-- but where in God's green earth and His Holy Word do you find that God has "rights?" This is speculative tradition of the charismatic and faith movements and simply is not in scripture. Covenant is not a legal entity; it is a relationship based upon promise.

In a legal setting, any party bound by legal right can lose their rights if a judge so deems. What judge could possibly take away God's "rights" if what He has can be called "rights?"

God owns the earth. He is sovereign. He can do anything He desires. He lives up to promises that He has made but is not bound by "rights" to perform. He does what He does out of love and justice.

The devil owns nothing. He comes to steal, kill and destroy by lying and deceiving. His ONLY "power" is what he gets when man subjects himself to the devil.

The devil's position over the unsaved is not because of a right, but because of their choice to submit to him and not submit to God. It is not his "right" to own them.

You simply cannot find the concept of God's "rights" and the devil's "rights" in scripture without much twisting of meaning.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not throwing out the concept of "legal" from any interpretation -- just the concept of "rights" as applied commonly (to we faith people at least) to God and the devil. I don't have an issue using the concept of a "legal relationship" to teach responsibility. But when the talk of "legal" turns into giving the devil "rights" or inhibiting God's abilities because of some "rights" then my skin crawls. God Himself instituted law (long before the Law of Moses, although the PRINCIPLES of God's law is what the Law was built). But law from God is not a binding agreement -- it is a commandment, a statute.
Genesis 26:4-5
4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Abraham was blessed because he obeyed God. The blessing lay upon his generations to come -- multiplied to the numbers as the stars in heaven -- because of his faithfulness. He obeyed...

charge (mishmereth) - watch; as a sentry guards his post; safeguard.
commandements (mitsvâh) - a command; an ordinance or precept.
statutes (chûqqâh) - appointed, custom, ordinance.
laws (tôrâh) - a statute; law. Comes from the root yârâh which means to teach, to direct, to inform, to instruct.

Remember: the law was a tutor.

Abraham obeyed. He did not enter into binding arbitration or any other such agreement. Abraham was found to be faithful and God chose him, that through him and his seed the Seed shall come.
Galatians 3
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made;
We receive the promise (not a legal right) by what Jesus did. Not because of what we did -- we did not fulfill "our part of a legal arrangement."

Note v15 -- Paul is identifying this as if it were "in the manner of men." It was a way to get them to understand. But to Abraham promises were made: legal arrangements were not. In fact it was one way, for Abraham was put to sleep during the "ratification" of it.

We see in verse 17 that the law, (remember) in the manner of men, the legal-ness of it all could in no way annul the covenant and dismiss the promises: because the promises are not legal. This is not a right. If our inheritence was legal (v18) then it is not a promise.

The law exists ONLY as a teacher. It teaches what Abraham had faith enough to follow: the charge, the commandments, the statutes, (and the law to add although redundant here). The law is a teacher to show us how we are to watch over the Word, the commandments of God, the custom: the way that we are to live and act. The law brings us to Christ so that we could be justified by faith. It points us toward grace. For after faith comes, we have no need for the tutor any longer. We are not under law any longer.

And all of this comes to us by Covenant -- a covenant that God made with Abraham, not by mutual agreement, but while Abraham was asleep God cut the covenant alone: He decreed the Covenant. It is not a legal agreement that deals out "rights" to the participants.

God is not bound by His "rights." He is "bound" by His promises. And that "binding" is only because He does not lie: not because of some legality that some supernatural judge will enforce and keep God within. God is not "bound" by legality.

He simply does His promise: He does His Word.
 
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Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I do not believe Satan, has any more rights to a sinner than a saint.
We are a purchased possession,if he had legal rights to sinners other than temptation,no one would be saved.

We must exercise our free will in salvation,satan would remove the choice.
Amen! :thumbsup: :clap: :clap:

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Redeem - to buy up, to ransom, to rescue from loss.

When Jesus redeemed us, who/what did He redeem us from? Did he pay the devil a ransom for us? No. Christ rescued us from the curse:
Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law
Satan does not "own" the sinner/unsaved. Satan owns nothing.
 
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Amen! :thumbsup: :clap: :clap:

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Redeem - to buy up, to ransom, to rescue from loss.

When Jesus redeemed us, who/what did He redeem us from? Did he pay the devil a ransom for us? No. Christ rescued us from the curse:
Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law
Satan does not "own" the sinner/unsaved. Satan owns nothing.

Think it goes beyond just curse.

Think Jesus has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[a] the forgiveness of sins. Col (1:13-14)


He has also opened our eyes and turn us away from power of Satan to God

18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:18

There seems to be an exchange of kingdom from darkness to light when one gets saved.

Interestingly, sinners are called children of the devil/darkness in various places in the new testament. In fact, the devil is their father, think Apostle John calls them.

Now whether does that constitute any ownership or right? I think a lot depends on how we read the scripture and the meaning we ascribes to it.
 
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Think it goes beyond just curse.

Think Jesus has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood,[a] the forgiveness of sins. Col (1:13-14)
Absolutely. I use the curse only in the example given -- some teach Jesus bought us FROM the devil. Satan never owned us, except in so much as we give him right to do so.

He has also opened our eyes and turn us away from power of Satan to God

18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:18
True. Open eyes allow us to choose....

There seems to be an exchange of kingdom from darkness to light when one gets saved.
But what sort of "exchange" is it? Is it an ownership by master? Or an exchange in what we desire?

Interestingly, sinners are called children of the devil/darkness in various places in the new testament. In fact, the devil is their father, think Apostle John calls them.
Yes, John says this in 1 John; Jesus said this to the Pharisees.

Now whether does that constitute any ownership or right? I think a lot depends on how we read the scripture and the meaning we ascribes to it.
Ahh. But "how we read" and "ascribe" can be quite ... selfish. There is a way to read scripture and interpret it, and us ascribing meaning is too aloof. I'm sure you don't mean it to be so superficial, but you see "a lot depends on" is not how we interpret. We interpret by what scripture clearly says. If it doesn't seem clear then more study is needed.
 
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Ahh. But "how we read" and "ascribe" can be quite ... selfish. There is a way to read scripture and interpret it, and us ascribing meaning is too aloof. I'm sure you don't mean it to be so superficial, but you see "a lot depends on" is not how we interpret. We interpret by what scripture clearly says. If it doesn't seem clear then more study is needed.

Sigh, unfortunately when it comes to words, it means different things to different people. Different studies even word studies yield different things.

Let's take for example "ownership" of earth, who owns it:

1) God owns the earth

The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;
Psalms 24:1)

Clear no ambiguity at all.

2) Man owns the earth
The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to man.
(Psalms 115:16)

Clear no ambiguity at all

At this juncture, one will ask?

Does God still owns the earth? Or man? Or what does the word own mean? What does given to man mean? At this point, differing understandings of ownership will have come in.
Then probably words like steward/manager or even rights, authority will come in as a means to express things. Words that may not be expressly in scripture but inferred. For some own, means manage, not own in the sense it's mine now.

3) Satan owns the earth
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

Does under the control of Satan means owning the world? What about man and God? To reconcile, well, sometimes terms like illegal ownership comes up to express that ownership.

So what does control mean? Is control given by man? If yes, then what extent. Does that mean man can rid himself of the power of Satan if it's just purely a free will thing given by man. What did Jesus death actually does when it turn us from the power of Satan?

So who actually owns the world now? Satan God or Man or all 3? Can all 3 own it at the same time? And can our theology allow it? Then words like potentially, legally, effectually, ultimately... are used to describe it.

And when it comes to forum, as much possible I take an approach of discussion, not to reach a conclusion but rather to stimulate thought to the various leanings. I find that to be most effective as a means of learning and then further illumination by the Holy Spirit. But that's just IMO.

Truth can only have 1 right interpretation. There're 40 thousands denominations around and most claim they're right and they've scriptures and they've Holy Spirit too, I think.
 
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"I want to review the authority of the believer."

The believe has no authority, EXCEPT that which is specifically delegated TO him,
To which, if it is delegated to us, then we have it. You say so yourself:

When I go to the Fuji Dealer to buy....
....I go in as the Chief Engineer of my Company, whose authority I'm UNDER. And as a result of being under that authority, I HAVE the authority to act as their designated Representative ....
And THAT is what is important.

It does NOT matter if the authority STARTED with us or is INHERENTLY ours. No matter whatsoever. What matters is that we have been given the authority and the results of that authority -- in whose Name we speak -- is still beyond reproach.
Luke 10:19
19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
Jesus has given us authority. Nothing will harm us if we stand in that authority. Delegated, yes. But it is our delegated authority to wield.

We have been given dominion in this earth. And we have been given authority over whatever would try to stop or hurt us.
 
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Even Jesus said there was only one who was good ... anything less, makes the eye not single ...

Nothing to do with authority,Christ had covered our sins and bought us for a price.

We become joint heirs with him who has put all things under his feet,and redeemed us from the curse.
When Christ told the rich young ruler your quote,he had not yet gone to the cross.
 
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Yes, but that was spoken before the cross - after the cross, anyone with Jesus in them is good, otherwise you cannot have God inside you - His goodness would destroy you.

:doh: should have read your reply, lol
 
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Nothing to do with authority,Christ had covered our sins and bought us for a price.

We become joint heirs with him who has put all things under his feet,and redeemed us from the curse.
When Christ told the rich young ruler your quote,he had not yet gone to the cross.

They called him good and it was in this that he referenced where all good flows from, our father ... Jesus walked as passover which is the wisdom of God that was given in commandment form in the beginning, to deny self, or to not eat of our own reasoning. The comandment of God is Life which is in himself, likewise in all his children.
 
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Yes, but that was spoken before the cross - after the cross, anyone with Jesus in them is good, otherwise you cannot have God inside you - His goodness would destroy you.


The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, then was manifested so that we could see this truth of the love of God that was before the beginning, Himself counting the cost before every he built the house, which in the light of, we all have this same cross to bare or the pouring out of our soul as a drink offering (in type) unto God even as he has done this for us, Jesus showing us this way and truth and life that he was ...

As he is so are we, goes a long way considering Jesus was a son, all things of the father having been his through this sonship of which we have been made partakers of.


We do not delcare ourselves good no more than we say we are without sin, it is not about the many, it is about the one, from whom all blessings flow.


To the rich young ruler, good was gain, to Jesus it was given in the person of the father of whom he was in, and his father in him, a life granted to him of his father.

True authority/life/pride/love, etc. flows out of the good-ness of God that Jesus said would be like a well in us, springing up unto eternal life, which is to know or to become intimate with our Father.
 
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"Jesus has given us authority."

Not necessarily. Go toss a mountain into the sea tomorrow afternoon. Jesus said that IF you had faith (Belief in your heart, nothing doubting), you could.

Let us know how that comes out.

There are plenty of Christians who ARE NOT "under His authority", and as a result HAVE NO authority. When you HAVE it, you KNOW it.

Simple as that.
 
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"Jesus has given us authority."

Not necessarily. Go toss a mountain into the sea tomorrow afternoon. Jesus said that IF you had faith (Belief in your heart, nothing doubting), you could.

Let us know how that comes out.

There are plenty of Christians who ARE NOT "under His authority", and as a result HAVE NO authority. When you HAVE it, you KNOW it.

Simple as that.
Nah.

Again (expanded):
Luke 10:17-20
17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18 And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. 19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
We could be cessationists and say this was said only to the 70. But we aren't cessationists, are we Bob. And if we should be then please tell me what other verses other than this one I should take a Sharpie marker to and cross out of my bible -- don't want to get confused again as to what promises are for me.

Jesus has given us authority over all the power of the enemy. This, sir, has little to do with casting mountains into an ocean. Faith is one thing; authority is another. Working hand in hand, but they are different. And while Mark 11:23's mountains may be literal mountains, they are likely a figurative metaphor for problems that overwhelm us.

Bob, what would put a Christian under His authority to you? And what would put them NOT under His authority? Is it their walk? Do you have any bad employees? Are they under your authority?

Further, you are putting too much emphasis on a centurion who had soldiers UNDER His authority. And while we certainly are UNDER Jesus' authority, this is not what we are talking about here. Here we are talking about the delegated authority that we have been GIVEN. We HAVE the authority -- authority that we need to wield. This is not an UNDER situation, except for the fact that it is delegated, but this is the wielding of that authority.

Truth is ALL Christians HAVE this authority. Some do not know how to wield it. But we all HAVE it. It was given to us. We have dominion in this world and we have the authority to wield to judge and to rule in this world.

Now THAT is simple as that. ;)
 
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The truth is,we don't have enough faith to toss mountains.
Christ said if we had faith the size of a mustard seed we could do it.

I have faith the size of a atom,but thats enough to walk in health wealth,and joy
The reason God compared it to the mustard seed it was meant to grow.

Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: 4:32 But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.
 
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"Jesus has given us authority."

Not necessarily. Go toss a mountain into the sea tomorrow afternoon. Jesus said that IF you had faith (Belief in your heart, nothing doubting), you could.

Let us know how that comes out.

There are plenty of Christians who ARE NOT "under His authority", and as a result HAVE NO authority. When you HAVE it, you KNOW it.

Simple as that.

Christians who are not under the authority of Christ,are living under the authority of Satan.
Your heart will not be void of authority,something will fill it.
Your choice.

Satan has come to steal,kill and destroy.
He gets a lot of help from preachers today,if he can tell you your faith won't work,
He can tell you your cancer,your poverty,your family is out of Gods authority.

By some sick way we are told its Gods will that we have Cancer.
Christ said I have come to give live and life more abundantly.

We all come to crossroads,ether have faith or fail ,but with each victory,our faith grows.
This is the will of God,that we believe his son has done it all.

Christian authority is more than a concept,it is acceptance of what was done on the cross.
 
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In the "Why did God afflict Job?" thread poster liferiver made the following comment:

and it struck me as odd...and somewhat true.

We in WoF teach (does anyone else?) that when Adam fell, Satan obtained "Adam's lease" as the god of this world. (Now I've never heard a WoF preacher use the term "Adam's lease," but the concept of this is taught.) The subject taught has the following flavor: Adam fell due to the lies of Satan and Satan thus gained rule in this earth; God was locked out and had to be invited back in by a man (Abraham) to legally do anything here.

I have problem's with this whole thing. If God was locked out, then how did he curse the ground and chase man out of the garden? How did he bring on the flood? And I don't see an invite from Abraham, rather God came to him.

But liferiver's question/point brings up another issue. Some say that Job's story is one of the oldest in the Bible (regardless of the book's placement) and some say that Job is actually earlier than Abraham. If this be true (or actually any timeline) how could God have a hedge that Satan must abide by in this earth.

The works of Satan were defeated at the cross. He is subject to us, the born again believer's. We have authority over him (see Luke 10:19).

The question here is many-fold. Someone review for me the fall and what transfer of power occurred, if any. I'm wondering now why Satan is subdued prior to the cross in Job. And he really isn't mentioned much in the Old Testament anyway.

I want to put forth that Satan gained nothing in the fall, other than dragging man down from perfection into the curse. He tried to kill mankind. I would say that Satan always had the possibility of action that he has today: to kill, steal and destroy by using thoughts, ideas and suggestions -- trying to get man to turn from God's will and path and to embrace elements of the curse. And he didn't need Adam's fall to obtain this ability, in fact he used it get man to fall.

Of course the difference between the Old and the New covenants is our place in Christ. In the old it was a works driven thing: follow the law. In the new, Jesus imputes His righteousness to us, having been made sin for us He paid the price that we would have had to pay for our sin. He made us acceptable before Father God.

So what could the devil do in the Old Testament that he can't do now? Examples please.

In essence, I want to review the authority of the believer; and I want to compare it to the old testament saints.

Well, sitting under Kenneth Hagin for over a decade, I heard it taught many times by many different WoF'ers. You can find it on page 19 of my old 1986 copy of "The Believers Authority" by Kenneth E. Hagin.

"Originally, God made the earth and the fullness thereof, giving Adam dominion over all the works of His hands. In other words, Adam was the god of this world. Adam committed high treason and sold out to Satan, and Satan, through Adam, became the god of this world...Now Satan has a right to be here and be god of this world until 'Adam's lease' runs out."

Many other WoF ministers refer to it as the Earth's lease. I think other Dispensational groups consider this an eschatological doctrine... but Kenneth Hagin is the FIRST I know of to use the term Adam's Lease. From there I have heard Kenneth Copeland, Charles Capps, Oral Roberts, Billy Joel Daughtry, and a whole host of other WoF ministers who travel within the Tulsa camps teach and say Adam's lease specifically. It has always been with WoF framed in the context of believers authority. Bob, I've talked with you about that way back in "Poisonous Stew" on CARM.

Blessings.
 
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"Some say that Job's story is one of the oldest in the Bible (regardless of the book's placement) and some say that Job is actually earlier than Abraham."

Job is placed "somewhere between 500BC, and 1500BC". It's theorized that the "Adventure" began when he was between 50, and 70 (based on his childern and their independence), and so he lived to be between 190, and 210 which is an early POST-diluvian life span.

It also appears to be TRUE that Satan POSSESES Adam's original scope of authority, since his TITLE NOW is the "Prince of the Power of the Air, and the "Prince of This World".

When satan tells Jesus that (Luke 4):
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Jesus doesn't question or refute that statement at all. HE refused the deal, of course. We'd ALL have been in DEEP Doo if He hadn't.

However the "God is locked OUT" theological stupidity ignores the simple FACT that the only "Authority" that satan ever had is GOD'S AUTHORITY - originally delegated to Adam, who turned it over to satan.

The delegation was (gen 1):
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

SO obviously God's NOT, and NEVER WAS "Locked out" of anything, and since God possesses ALL authority, there's absolutely no effect on His Ability to throw a "Hedge of protection" around anybody or anything He chooses, any TIME HE chooses, and to allow "Controlled access" inside the hedge to anybody, and to any extent He chooses for His OWN purposes. AND HE CHOSE to give satan access to Job, in order to "Improve Job" by exposing A couple of Job's "personal issues", bringing Job to repentance, and then restoring him.

"I want to put forth that Satan gained nothing in the fall"

Except, of course, in the beginning Adam had dominion, and Afterwards and presently, satan does, so do the math. WHere did satan GET the authority the Biblically he NOW HAS.

"So what could the devil do in the Old Testament that he can't do now?"

I'd say nothing - nothing's changed. The devil STILL has dominion, and will continue to have it until the final judgement. The Christian, however has allowed the LAW to "Judge him" and execute the "Death sentence on the "Old Man" - the "Christian life: is a NEW life - in the Spirit.

Everybody else in the world is still operating under the OLD Covenant, as before, and will be JUDGED by it.

"I want to review the authority of the believer; and I want to compare it to the old testament saints."

Simple - WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY - except that which is specifically delegated to US by Jesus as the result of being UNDER Jesus' authority (Remember the centurion?).

Jesus has ALL AUTHORITY, and delegates it to whomever He chooses, Whenever HE chooses, to any degree that HE chooses, and for a LONG as He chooses. We ARE, after all, HIS representatives in the World.

He Hasn't (to my knowledge) ever authorized the tossing of a mountain bodily into the sea, but that's within the range of possibility.

But we can't "go our OWN way", and refuse HIS authority over us, and expect to HAVE His authority whenever we decide we want to exercise it.
 
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