Adam ?

[Radrook]

He looked on His creation and said it was good. BUT, it was just the beginning of His plan, unless you think our Perfect God flawed in His plans. I can just see it now: Adam and Eve sin, and rudely alerted in this disaster, God realizes He will have to switch to Plan B.

You like Ecclesiastes, so do I:

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

You show me in Genesis where it says man was created upright?

Man to have been created perfect would have been a partaker of the tree of life. But he was not and died from eating knowledge, he had no clue and no righteousness, for he was naked.

Your quotation of the comparison of mankind to beasts is a comparison of FALLEN mankind.
My quotation describes mankind as original. Solomon knew the difference and expected his readers to easily understand it as well. You demand that I prove the statement in Ecclesistes true by supporting it witjh a Genesis quite? God said that all that he had created was GOOD. Had it been tainted with sin it would not have been classified under that category. There are also scriptures in Psalms which describe god's creation activity and all his ways as perfect.

Deuteronomy 32:4
"The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.

Had God had all this suffering and nausea injusrtice, such in mind as his plan to begin with, then he could not be called righteous, upright, nor perfect.

He looked on His creation and said it was good. BUT, it was just the beginning of His plan, unless you think our Perfect God flawed in His plans. I can just see it now: Adam and Eve sin, and rudely alerted in this disaster, God realizes He will have to switch to Plan B.

You like Ecclesiastes, so do I:

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

You show me in Genesis where it says man was created upright?

Man to have been created perfect would have been a partaker of the tree of life. But he was not and died from eating knowledge, he had no clue and no righteousness, for he was naked.

That "But it was just the beginning-"isn't found as part of the declaration. It is a concept you infuse into what is written.

He looked on His creation and said it was good. BUT, it was just the beginning of His plan, unless you think our Perfect God flawed in His plans. I can just see it now: Adam and Eve sin, and rudely alerted in this disaster, God realizes He will have to switch to Plan B.

You like Ecclesiastes, so do I:

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

You show me in Genesis where it says man was created upright?

Man to have been created perfect would have been a partaker of the tree of life. But he was not and died from eating knowledge, he had no clue and no righteousness, for he was naked.

Your quotation is a comparison of FALLEN mankind to beasts.

My quotation describes mankind as originally created. Solomon knew the difference and expected his readers to easily understand it as well. You demand that I prove the statement in Ecclesiastes true by supporting it with a Genesis quite? God said that all that he had created was GOOD including the sixth day within which he had created Adam and Eve.

Genesis 1:31 ►

New International Version
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.

Had they been tainted with an inherent tendency to sin they would have fallen short of perfection, would not have been in his image and would never have been classified under that category.

The following scripture corroborates this:

Deuteronomy 32:4
"The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.


Job 34:10
"Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to do wrong

Had God had all this suffering and nauseating injustice, such as the Nazi extermination pogrom against the Jews, the infliction of torture by Vlad the Impaler, the agonizing screams of those dying from Black Plagues and other horrendous diseases in mind as his plan to begin with as you claim, then he most definitely could not be called righteous, upright, nor perfect with needing to completely redefine what those words mean.

bTW
I am getting disconnected from this website aprox every three minutes and that is seriously interfering with my ability to discuss this subject. So any grammatical or structural disorganization in my response is caused by this constant nuisance. I have had enough and need a breather!

 

[miknik5]

Can you imagine the need poor Adam must have felt when he saw Eve, naked in the flesh? No wonder he sinned. Amen?

They weren't aware of their nakedness until after they sinned

 

[Aman777]

70 years short of entering into rest ...

No sinner has yet entered God's rest (Heb-Shabath-to Cease) since it is FUTURE to our time.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

God will not rest until His Creation is made perfect and ALL the host of Heaven are safely in Heaven. Gen 2:1 This includes the last Christian to be saved. Heaven's host would not be complete without them. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

They weren't aware of their nakedness until after they sinned

Amen, and Adam did not know his wife, until after that. Gen 4:1

 

[Aman777]

They had been told to multiply. The only way to multiply was with the sexual organs provided them just like other mammals were multiplying.

Genesis 9:7
"As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it."

Had they been designed like amoebas they could have done so differently.

Adam was "formed" the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and trees Gen 2:4-7 by Jesus/Lord God
Eve was made from Adam's rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 by Jesus/Lord God
Both were created in God's Image at the same time AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1 and John 14:17 by God the Trinity.

They were told to multiply AFTER God gives them dominion over all other creatures which is AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of time. Gen 1:28

 

[Aman777]

So Adam inherited sin from God? From where in the Bible do you derive that concept?

Adam did not inherit sin from God but Adam's sin was inherited by the 7.4 Billion living Humans. We also inherited his superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

 

[Aman777]

So your Bible never tells them to procreate? What is the name of your Bible version?

Genesis 1:28 tells them to "multiply" and replenish the Earth and have dominion or rule over every living creature. This is AFTER Adam/mankind is given rule over viruses, mosquitoes and Angels at the end of the present 6th Day. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Good question. Was Adam created flesh? Was Adam created naked? Research those questions and you will find, in my opinion, he was created a natural man with the same weaknesses as all men including Eve.

False since Adam lived with Jesus for some 14 Billion years BEFORE he sinned. Adam was made in the likeness of Jesus in a perfect body and a Shekinah Glory which is brighter than the noonday Sun. Adam was changed into Flesh after he sinned. Gen 3:7 Humanity will regain our Image like Jesus at the Rapture. Amen?

 

[Radrook]

Genesis 1:28 tells them to "multiply" and replenish the Earth and have dominion or rule over every living creature. This is AFTER Adam/mankind is given rule over viruses, mosquitoes and Angels at the end of the present 6th Day. Amen?

Where in that scripture do you see the words mosquitoes, viruses and angels? Angels are heavenly creatures whose abode is heaven. Mosquitos are predatory parasites which appeared after sin. Viruses are something in between life and death whose malignant functions indicate something sinister and alien to a benevolent God.

 

[Radrook]

Adam was "formed" the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and trees Gen 2:4-7 by Jesus/Lord God
Eve was made from Adam's rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 by Jesus/Lord God
Both were created in God's Image at the same time AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1 and John 14:17 by God the Trinity.

They were told to multiply AFTER God gives them dominion over all other creatures which is AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of time. Gen 1:28

Ummm, Cain was born AFTER Adam and Eve had sinned and were banned from the Garden. Cain was their son-you know? He was their first-born.
Cain and Abel
1Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD." 2Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Genesis 2:1

Where are you deriving these concepts from? Just curious since they go completely contrary to the Genesis account.

 

[miknik5]

Why when HE comes and makes all things new and destroys death the last enemy should we even have dominion over viruses?

There shouldn't be any viruses

 

[SBC]

It does appear as if God was quite proud of his workmanship.

I would say God was pleased, since what He made and created was, very good, and for His pleasure.

Gen 1
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Rev 4:
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[mozo41]

mud suckers

 

[Aseyesee]

Good question. Was Adam created flesh? Was Adam created naked? Research those questions and you will find, in my opinion, he was created a natural man with the same weaknesses as all men including Eve.

The process reveals an Ishmael first ...

 

[Aseyesee]

Seems as if you believe God purposefully made all the trash that has transpired on this Earth since the Fall happened on purpose. Weird! In that case one would need to view your creator as an establisher and perpetrator of sin.

Do you believe God had no idea what would happen when he made man on the earth?

 

[mozo41]

Adam is the journey ... Christ the destination

 

[Aseyesee]

Adam is the journey ... Christ the destination

Love it ...

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Good question. Was Adam created flesh? Was Adam created naked? Research those questions and you will find, in my opinion, he was created a natural man with the same weaknesses as all men including Eve.

He/They were naked and not ashamed until their eyesight changed and they suddenly were not perceiving from the same place as before eating the feast prepared by the woman.

 

[miknik5]

Do you believe God had no idea what would happen when he made man on the earth?

I believe he was talking about the overflow Viruses, death...
The effects of the fall upon man and his environment

 

[Aseyesee]

I believe he was talking about the overflow Viruses, death...
The effects of the fall upon man and his environment

(Not that you dont know this ...) Nothing (even the concept of nothing) is here outside of the one who creates; the creation is filled with images that become object lessons to bring us to an end that is a beginning to us.