Adam ?

[Aman777]

We are saved by faith, many had already gone to heaven before Jesus who made the way more clear. Sacrifice for sin is a Pagan interpretation not taught by Jesus in the original gospel.

Are you speaking of "another" Gospel? If not, then where do you get the faith to believe that a man can rise from the dead? Also, Jesus was NOT made but was a part of the Trinity forever. He had NO beginning and NO end. You are confused.

 

[Aman777]

Was speaking on God's terms ... I know Adam fell short of rest.

Not so, since Adam and Eve were BOTH created in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually and Eternally AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 They lived for 930 years, in man's time, after that before they died. Gen 5:5 A "Day" in Hebrew is YOWM, which is any period of time. A good example is the 7th Day which has NO beginning and NO end, no morning and no evening. It's because the 7th Day is Eternity. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

God made Adam in God's own image...he was given free-will...remember the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God surely foresaw the fall of Adam and Eve b/c Jesus is said to be...in Revelation 13:8...the lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
So Adam was holy (made in God's own image) but succumbed to temptation just as it is written. I don't think it wise to go beyond what is written.

Amen, but to dig into God's Holy Word a little more, adds details to the story of Adam. Adam was made to live forever in the Image of YHWH/Jesus, but like you say, he disobeyed and lost his image like Jesus and was found in a body of sinful flesh. Adam had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and then Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually in Christ, by God the Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 That's WHY Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world to pay for Adam's sins. I'm just happy that we can look forward to meeting our first parents in Heaven, where ALL Christians will be like Adam was BEFORE the fall. We will know Him because we will be like Him...again. God Bless you

 

[miknik5]

Amen, but to dig into God's Holy Word a little more, adds details to the story of Adam. Adam was made to live forever in the Image of YHWH/Jesus, but like you say, he disobeyed and lost his image like Jesus and was found in a body of sinful flesh. Adam had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and then Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually in Christ, by God the Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 That's WHY Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world to pay for Adam's sins. I'm just happy that we can look forward to meeting our first parents in Heaven, where ALL Christians will be like Adam was BEFORE the fall. We will know Him because we will be like Him...again. God Bless you

Born again spiritually in
Christ yet sent from the presence of GOD, the WAY blocked lest they put out their hand and eat of the tree of LIFE, and covered over n a temporal coat of skins

Until the TRUE COVERING would come and THE WAY back revealed

Yet you imply that Adam and Eve were "born again"

 

[miknik5]

the SPIRIT of GOD/SPIRIT of CHRIST had not yet been given to any

Because CHRIST JESUS had not yet entered into HIS GLORY

Though HE was slain from the foundation of the world (because GOD already foreknew Adams fall) the fullness of time had not yet come and the body prepared from before the world ever was had not yet come forth

Yet you imply that Adam was born again spiritually

The only time that Adam was born again spiritually was when CHRIST went by THE SPIRIT to preach to those dead spirits held prisoner in captivity when GOD had left the sins committed unpunished

HE went snd preached and you can rest assured that the generation before HIS physical coming into the world who did not benefit by HIS physical coming who were held captive in captivity, didn't wait around in disbelief

HE led captivity in HIS train
That prison was emptied

That was a one time event

Which is why the men of ninevah wi stand in the judgement and condemn this generation

They listened
And one greater than Jonah came
And still men of this generation remain in unbelief

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Amen, but to dig into God's Holy Word a little more, adds details to the story of Adam. Adam was made to live forever in the Image of YHWH/Jesus, but like you say, he disobeyed and lost his image like Jesus and was found in a body of sinful flesh. Adam had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel and then Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually in Christ, by God the Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 That's WHY Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world to pay for Adam's sins. I'm just happy that we can look forward to meeting our first parents in Heaven, where ALL Christians will be like Adam was BEFORE the fall. We will know Him because we will be like Him...again. God Bless you

We know Adam was born of flesh from many passages where God says from dust you came and to dust you shall return. The" image of God' seems to speak of more to the notion that Adam was righteous and holy (without sin).
I do not agree that Genesis 5:1-2 speaks to Adam and Eve being born again; where do you see that in the language? Those passages are a reiteration of the account of the creation.
Also, we do not know what kind of boy God will give us. According to I Corinthians 15:35-53 we will all be changed...the physical does not inherit eternal life. We will be resurrected (those dead) and then all will be changed into a spiritual body.
Blessings to you...

 

[surrender1]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

Adam had the ability to sin, or disobey God. And he did.

 

[Colter]

Are you speaking of "another" Gospel? If not, then where do you get the faith to believe that a man can rise from the dead? Also, Jesus was NOT made but was a part of the Trinity forever. He had NO beginning and NO end. You are confused.

I'm speaking of the original gospel of Jesus that he practiced and preached, the gospel he had hoped his Jewish brethren would carry to all the world.

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people."

 

[Colter]

In my theology, Adam & Eve, being from another world in the heavenly realm, had duel circulatory systems which allowed them to partake of the special energies of the "Tree of Life", a special shrub from heaven that would have allowed them to live on indefinitely. After the default they lost the use and became mortal.

The "Tree of Life" had been brought to earth much earlier accompanying the previous fallen administration of the planetary "Prince of this world" who became "the crafty beast". Some of the immortal volunteer staff of the Prince, ascendant humans like us but who came from other worlds, sons of God who came down from heaven, also lost the use of the tree due to the rebellion. Being stranded and now mortal these sons of God attempted to populate the earth with their progeny being genetically superior in intelligence: "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

In the jumbled chronology of the Bible the so called "Nephilim" predated Adam and Eves arrival but the authors of Genesis didn't realize this.

The bloodlines of the Jews are actually related to these supermen who came to earth.

 

[miknik5]

In my theology, Adam & Eve, being from another world in the heavenly realm, had duel circulatory systems which allowed them to partake of the special energies of the "Tree of Life", a special shrub from heaven that would have allowed them to live on indefinitely. After the default they lost the use and became mortal.

The "Tree of Life" had been brought to earth much earlier accompanying the previous fallen administration of the planetary "Prince of this world" who became "the crafty beast". Some of the immortal volunteer staff of the Prince, ascendant humans like us but who came from other worlds, sons of God who came down from heaven, also lost the use of the tree due to the rebellion. Being stranded and now mortal these sons of God attempted to populate the earth with their progeny being genetically superior in intelligence: "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

In the jumbled chronology of the Bible the so called "Nephilim" predated Adam and Eves arrival but the authors of Genesis didn't realize this.

The bloodlines of the Jews are actually related to these supermen who came to earth.

No.

but you are right to say in my theology

 

[Colter]

No.

but you are right to say in my theology

I like mine better because it makes more sense based on all the loose ends in the Genesis story and the factual analysis of the earth.

Each time they edited the Bible to suit their cultural bias, they left matter of fact details within the scripture, clues to the bigger story outside of the "chosen people delusion".

 

[miknik5]

I like mine better because it make more sense based on all the loose ends in the Genesis story and the factual analysis of the earth.

Each time they edited the Bible to suit their cultural bias, they left matter of fact details within the scripture, clues to the bigger story outside of the "chosen people delusion".

Yeah okay
So man without the SPIRIT of TRUTH leading them...suggests "another truth"

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

I like mine better because it make more sense based on all the loose ends in the Genesis story and the factual analysis of the earth.

Each time they edited the Bible to suit their cultural bias, they left matter of fact details within the scripture, clues to the bigger story outside of the "chosen people delusion".

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Colter]

Yeah okay
So man without the SPIRIT of TRUTH leading them...suggests "another truth"

To the contrary, the spirit of truth lead me to my beliefs.

 

[Colter]

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

There is neither foolishness nor weakness in God. Even Paul's letters were converted to The Word of God by the church. I understand the sentiment but it's human.

 

[Aseyesee]

The righteousness which is of faith is spoken of in Romans 10

I must assume that when you said I was a Jew, that you didn't mean this in a nice way?

 

[miknik5]

To the contrary, the spirit of truth lead me to my beliefs.

No

 

[miknik5]

I must assume that when you said I was a Jew, that you didn't mean this in a nice way?

No you are my older brother
But I'm not sure you agree with the ONE who is over the WHOLE HOUSE

...yet

 

[miknik5]

What you said revealed to me that you are Jewish

 

[Aseyesee]

Not so, since Adam and Eve were BOTH created in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually and Eternally AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 They lived for 930 years, in man's time, after that before they died. Gen 5:5 A "Day" in Hebrew is YOWM, which is any period of time. A good example is the 7th Day which has NO beginning and NO end, no morning and no evening. It's because the 7th Day is Eternity. God Bless you

The woman was named Eve after the fall ... very significant in relationship to the process.

Which was one of the things I meant (7th day) by the one day as known to God as neither day or night.

Adam came up 70 years short of entering into the seventh day (Peter's 1000 years one, one day as a 1000 years) ... Jesus, 7 times 70 ...

These are all pictures of truth that relate to the process in us, just as cains building of a city ... build a city out of any truth and your journey inward ends.