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Somebody told me Christ was born of a virgin because he was God incarnate. What would you say?
Did God make Adam imperfect?
Amen. Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
God created Adam with limits, as a finite being.
He implied it wasn't neccesarily to keep Christ sinless.
Sure it was, since IF there was any other way Jesus would not have had to die. Jesus IS God physically. If He had sinned, we would all be lost. Amen?
Not so, since God (Elohim-The Trinity) always creates eternally. Lord God/Jesus formed Adam of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus ALWAYS forms temporarily. That is WHY mankind MUST be born by God the Trinity.
God the Trinity "created" Adam in God's Image or Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-5 Adam and Eve lived for 930 years AFTER they were born again Spiritually and then left this world to live forever with Jesus. Amen?
Actually, Adam fell short by 70 years of the Day of the LORD (is as a thousand years)...There are two tellings of creation in scripture. The first telling, their name was Adam and every tree was given for meat with no garden mentioned. Then in the second telling, they became two after a deep slumber (Adam naming the second one) and a garden planted with a tree that is forbidden for eating (a law)...it is a pattern of twos found throughout scripture.Not so, since God (Elohim-The Trinity) always creates eternally. Lord God/Jesus formed Adam of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus ALWAYS forms temporarily. That is WHY mankind MUST be born by God the Trinity.
God the Trinity "created" Adam in God's Image or Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-5 Adam and Eve lived for 930 years AFTER they were born again Spiritually and then left this world to live forever with Jesus. Amen?
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:6Adam was not created as God's equal and he is separate from God. Whatever Adam was he was less than God thus he had limits and finite characteristics.
Adam was not created as God's equal and he is separate from God.
Whatever Adam was he was less than God thus he had limits and finite characteristics.
Actually, Adam fell short by 70 years of the Day of the LORD (is as a thousand years)...There are two tellings of creation in scripture. The first telling, their name was Adam and every tree was given for meat with no garden mentioned. Then in the second telling, they became two after a deep slumber (Adam naming the second one) and a garden planted with a tree that is forbidden for eating (a law)...it is a pattern of twos found throughout scripture.
Adam eats of a tree of good and evil, and has two sons, one good and one evil. A picture of the duality within...two sons...carnal/spiritual. The spirit of Christ was from the beginning and the first word God spoke was let there be light. The darkness being that which we cannot (yet) 'see'/perceive as it relates to the truth that is in us (being revealed...renewing of the mind) as Paul said we have the"mind of Christ"and "Christ in you, the hope of glory".
Yes, we have always been...spiritually speaking. The end of our faith takes us full circle (back) to the beginning that has no end.Adam was made before the beginning of our Cosmos. Gen 2:7 He lived for billions of years with Jesus, His Creator. Adam watched as the first Stars of our Cosmos (13.8 billion years ago) lighted up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Adam watched as every living creature that moves, came forth from water on the 5th Day/Age. Gen 1:21 Adam watched as Jesus made the common ancestors or beasts of the earth and birds, from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19
Adam provided the rib which Jesus fashioned into Eve after all the other living creatures were made. Gen 2:22 Adam sinned and he and Eve were cast from the Garden and Cain killed Abel. THEN Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually by The Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born again in Christ Spiritually. Gen 5:5
Adam disobeyed because of his love for Eve. Remember that she ate first, which means she lost her glory/brightness which surrounded her. Adam ate to be like her, not realizing that he was condemning all Humans to death on this lost Earth.
Darkness/Death was upon everything God created physically in the beginning. It's because anything apart from God is subject to death. God gave us our intelligence, which is like His, Gen 3:22 through Adam, the firstborn of Humanity. Only the descendants of Adam are Human. That's God's Truth. Amen?
I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.Would you say submission is a pre fall thing?
Somebody told me Christ was born of a virgin because he was God incarnate. What would you say?
I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.
As for your submission question... I am not positive what you are asking. However, if you are asking what I think you are... then it's a great question and point because I think it was in our nature to submit to God before the fall and after, we sort of bowed before ourselves, made ourselves "Lord" instead of God. A friend paints it this way.... Adam was KIND OF LIKE plugged into God. God was Adam's source for all things... God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged and now Adam had to CHOOSE for himself between good and evil and we have been choosing, often poorly, ever since. When we come in faith it is kind of like us plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good of evil for us.
I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.
As for your submission question... I am not positive what you are asking. However, if you are asking what I think you are... then it's a great question and point because I think it was in our nature to submit to God before the fall and after, we sort of bowed before ourselves, made ourselves "Lord" instead of God. A friend paints it this way.... Adam was KIND OF LIKE plugged into God. God was Adam's source for all things... God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged and now Adam had to CHOOSE for himself between good and evil and we have been choosing, often poorly, ever since. When we come in faith it is kind of like us plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good of evil for us.
God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged.........
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:31
And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Gen 3:9-12
Did God tell the man he was naked? Not good? ...must have something to do with eating...
Why exactly don't women transmit the curse? That is interesting-a sinner who doesnt pass down sin and could have a sinless descendant.
And I meant submission as in marriage.
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