Adam, Eve, and Evolution

[tonychanyt]

Yes. Why not? What is the logic behind every single example of "yom" right throughout the Old Testament means a 24 hour day, and the word meaning something else in Genesis 1-3? Doesn't make sense. What's the point of changing the meaning of a Hebrew word, just to support a unproven theory dreamed up out of Darwin's head?

See Is a yom/day always = 24 hours? and follow up there.

 

[Diamond72]

Hair is over-rated.

16The LORD also says: “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty—walking with heads held high and wanton eyes, prancing and skipping as they go, jingling the bracelets on their ankles— 17the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will make their foreheads bare. (Isaiah 3:17)

 

[Diamond72]

Yes. The meaning of the Hebrew word "yom" is a 24 hour day.

The Hebrew word "yom" can indeed be translated as "day" and often refers to a 24-hour day in the Bible. However, it's important to note that the word "yom" can also have other meanings and can be used in a broader sense.

 

[JohnD70X7]

From the scientific perspective in terms of space-time, God created the earth with evolutionary events, including dinosaurs, Neanderthals, etc. embedded in it.

Neanderthals belong to the species of Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. Today's humans belong to Homo sapiens sapiens. Both groups are humans (Homo sapiens). Both have 46 chromosomes though there is some uncertainty about that. Neanderthals existed only in space-time and not in witnessed-time, as such, they never received a breath of God in their spirits. They would not be judged to go to heaven or hell.

From the biblical point of view, God created Adam and Eve in real-time (or witnessed-time) history as described in Genesis. Genesis 3:

20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.​

Acts 17:

26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.​

In terms of first-order logic, both perspectives are true: witnessed-time and space-time.

Scientists at The Institute for Creation Research and ministries like Back to Genesis, Answers in Genesis, and Doctor Dino expose the unwarranted bias and bullying of atheistic macro-evolution for the fraud they truly are. Taking evidence in hand and interpreting it only through their bias of strictly physical means with no metaphysics or transcendent properties or intervention whatsoever.

The laws of thermodynamics prove this cannot be the case:

1. Nothing can come from nothing
2. Nothing is eternal

If the universe cannot be eternal and could not have come into existence from nothing, then how does it exist?

A transcendent, eternal intelligent designer with the metaphysical ability to create all things from nothing has to exist for anything else to exist.

Another indication that blind faith is required to believe macro-evolution is that if the universe is governed only by physics... then what caused the Big Bang? Michio Kaku and Neil De Grasse Tyson go into circular reasoning mode / fairy tale mode when pressed on this issue. In physics you can't have an effect without a cause. So what caused the Big Bang?

The aforementioned creationist sources have also exposed the fraud used in identifying the alleged pre-homo sapien species) as tampered with primate skulls (one even being a non-fossil filed down to a fit a fossil), the errors in dating methods, and even the slowing down of the speed of light. All of which the atheistic macro-evolutionist community masks from public scrutiny.

The hubris and arrogance with which this blind faith community then bullies all who oppose their religion of no-god infiltrated the education system, the scientific community, the media, and now wants to slime its way into the faith community by attempting to bridge creationism with evolution... does the devil ever sleep???

 

[tonychanyt]

Scientists at The Institute for Creation Research

Define scientist.

 

[Diamond72]

Retired, TonyChanYT.CV

My son is a computer engineer. My sister use to teach computers at a college level.

 

[Neostarwcc]

There's three things that massively bother me about Evolution. One the Bible says that everything was created in six days and even says in other parts of the Bible six LITERAL days so theres no disputing it everything WAS created in 6 literal days. Second, almost every evolutionist denies the fact that there IS evidence for creationism. There's actually a lot of evidence that Christian scientists have found out but they're ignored because it disproves what people want to believe is fact so that they can go ahead and live in sin with full confidence that God doesn't exist and that there is no consequences for their actions. Thirdly, my biggest problem with Evolution is that while it's a theory as to how life began people treat it as if it's scientific fact. It isn't, it's a theory. Just like you cannot fully prove that Creationism is real you cannot fully prove without a shadow of a doubt that Evolution and the big bang are fact. Theyre scientific THEORIES. After all it's called the Big Bang Theory not the Big Bang fact.


Idk about you guys but I smell something super fishy when certain theories and they've only been proven as theories are treated around the world as if these theories are scientific facts. They're not. DNA is a scientific fact. Yow we get sick is a scientific fact. Evolution is a theory and a rather weak one at that.

 

[tonychanyt]

Second, almost every evolutionist denies the fact that there IS evidence for creationism.

reference?

 

[JohnD70X7]

Define scientist.

Define "define"

 

[tonychanyt]

Define "define"

I rest my case

 

[Jipsah]

T the Bible says that everything was created in six days and even says in other parts of the Bible six LITERAL days so theres no disputing it everything WAS created in 6 literal days.

Citation on that assertion, please.

Second, almost every evolutionist denies the fact that there IS evidence for creationism.

Depends on how you use the term "evolutionist". Evolution within species is clearly observable. Obviously God, Who created everything, designed it so.

There's actually a lot of evidence that Christian scientists have found out

Christian scientists have contributed more to the scientific literature than anyone else. Christian opposition to science s a fairly recent thing.

but they're ignored because it disproves what people want to believe is fact so that they can go ahead and live in sin with full confidence that God doesn't exist and that there is no consequences for their actions.

Yeah, poor old Ike Newton would be a leading light amongst scientists if it weren't for his Christian faith. Oh, wait...

Thirdly, my biggest problem with Evolution is that while it's a theory as to how life began people treat it as if it's scientific fact. It isn't, it's a theory.

Gravity is a theory as well, but try defying it.

Just like you cannot fully prove that Creationism is real you cannot fully prove without a shadow of a doubt that Evolution and the big bang are fact.

Ou can't "prove beyond a shafow of a doubt that you exist, but I assume you accept your own existence as axiomatic. The Big Bangis simply the secular term for the result ofGod's command "Fiat lux!", so you're kind of arguing the words used there there.

 

[Jipsah]

To deny that God created the universe and the world in six 24 hour days is to:
Deny that God is all powerful, as the Bible says He is.

Nope. God is all powerful, end of. And the "six 24 hour days" stuff is simply eisegesis.

Say that God is a liar

Nope, although making that claim can certainly be said to make the one who claims it to be of very dubious veracity.

because He said that He created the world in six days.

Sorry, but your "24 hours" claim was added a few millennia later, now wasn't it? The "24 hour day" wasn't invented until the time of the ancient Egyptians, ans the length of an"hour" was essentially arbitrary.

Say that Jesus is lying when He said that the world was created in six days, having used the Greek word for 24 hour days.

Nope, more hogwash. Our Lord never lied, and never did He mention a "24 hour day",

Therefore I cannot see that anyone who denies that God is all powerful, and that He and Jesus are liars, can have Jesus as their Saviour.

How about people who make false and scurrilous charges against those Christians who don't happen to accept those peoples' favorite man-made doctrines?

If they cannot believe what Jesus says is true

I believe what our Lord says is true, but I also happen to believe that what you say is complete rubbish.

, how can they trust Him with their eternal salvation?

I trust Him completely; you not at all.

 

[Jipsah]

Yes. The meaning of the Hebrew word "yom" is a 24 hour day.

How long was an "hour" before the sun was created, and before the Egyptians decided to divvy up a day into 24 hours?

Would you have us worship the ancient Egyptians?

 

[Jipsah]

Yes. Why not?

So a day is always 24 hours for God? Hmmm... seems I recall the Bible giving a somewhat more flexible definition for what God considers a day.

What is the logic behind every single example of "yom" right throughout the Old Testament means a 24 hour day, and the word meaning something else in Genesis 1-3?

Is it? St.Peter didn't seem to think so.

Doesn't make sense. What's the point of changing the meaning of a Hebrew word, just to support a unproven theory dreamed up out of Darwin's head?

Is that what Peter was doing? Well dang, who'd a thought it?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

How long was an "hour" before the sun was created, and before the Egyptians decided to divvy up a day into 24 hours?

Would you have us worship the ancient Egyptians?

If you are not prepared to accept the meaning of the Hebrew word "yom" as a 24 hour day, then there is no further point in discussing this any further. You can explain your opinion when you stand before the Lord on the day of judgment.

 

[tonychanyt]

If you are not prepared to accept the meaning of the Hebrew word "yom" as a 24 hour day,

See Is a yom/day always = 24 hours? and follow up there

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

See Is a yom/day always = 24 hours? and follow up there

God always says what He means and means what He says.

 

[tonychanyt]

God always says what He means and means what He says.

Sure, see Is a yom/day always = 24 hours? and follow up there

 

[Diamond72]

It isn't, it's a theory.

It is the best theory they have to explain the evidence that God gives us. In a court of law, it is the best argument right now as "creationists" cannot win over evolutionists. Much debate goes into what we read in our Biology book and everyone gets to take their part in the discussion. Although I told my son to stay out of the debate and just read his book, because they are required to know Biology in order to qualify to graduate from High School.

He kept his grades very high and people were throwing money at him for his college education. He graduated cum laude and he was debt-free.

 

[JohnD70X7]

I rest my case

Your case rests on syntax and wording rather than the subject matter discussed.
Which I showed by applying your own "medicine" to you.