AD 70 to AD 622 – prophecy unfolding?

[Douggg]

What!!!! Where did I say Jesus was a Gentile. Not following Dougie. Oh for someone coming in their own name, means just that. The Jews will receive the Peace negotiator because he seemingly brings peace, NOT because he says he is their Messiah.

Hi Marilyn,

I did not say or imply that you said Jesus was a gentile. I wrote that to be the messiah, the Christ, Jesus had to be a Jew. And that the another (Jew) coming in his own name to be accepted by modern Jews as the (perceived) messiah, King of Israel, the Antichrist has to be a Jew.

The peace treaty will be very soon, and after the Russian war when God deals with them and the others with them. Now after that Israel could very well retaliate against the Moslems for Iran was there too. But no, they opt for peace and a man from the area of ancient Assyria, (Iraq, Syria & Jordan) will step up and confirm the Covenant/treaty that Israel has written.

No confirming a peace treaty for 7 years is in the bible. What is in the bible is confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Every Gentile kingdom in the Great image has Gentile Rulers and they will all be judged. Four have already and one to go.

I don't know why you would think a Jew could not become the leader of the EU, as the little horn person. However, you could show that the legs of iron rulers were the Caesars, if you linked it to Revelation 17:10, those 7 kings. Which I do. and the little horn person be descended from them, but also be a Jew.

 

[jgr]

It is not given in the bible the name of her mother.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

How do you know she was a Jew?

 

[jgr]

God will yet bring true Israelites to receive Him as their Messiah. Those born of Abraham.
(Zech. 12: 10 7 13: 8. Jer. 33: 25 & 26)

Paul disagrees.

Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Nothing to do with physical DNA (outwardly), and everything to do with spiritual DNA (inwardly).

 

[Douggg]

How do you know she was a Jew?

Because Jesus, by who salvation comes, was a Jew, being born of a Jew.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Matthew1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Having no earthly father, Jesus was a Jew because His mother was Jew.

 

[jgr]

Because Jesus, by who salvation comes, was a Jew, being born of a Jew.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Matthew1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Having no earthly father, Jesus was a Jew because His mother was Jew.

You've evaded the question.

How do you know Mary was a Jew?

 

[Douggg]

Nothing to do with physical DNA (outwardly), and everything to do with spiritual DNA (inwardly).

You are in the hospital delivery room, as the doctor delivers the baby coming out from the mother (a Jew) - and you think he instructs the nurses, let's check the baby's DNA to see if he is really the child of the mother (a Jew) ?

All Paul's was saying is that Jews who were not acting in accordance with God's will were not acting as Jews should.

 

[Douggg]

You've evaded the question.

How do you know Mary was a Jew?

I gave you the answer. Jesus was Jew, born of a Jew, his mother. Jesus was not born of an earthly father. Jesus could have only been a Jew by being born of a woman who was a Jew.

 

[jgr]

You are in the hospital delivery room, as the doctor delivers the baby coming out from the mother - and you think he instructs the nurses, let's check the baby's DNA to see if he is really the child of the mother?

No need since he can see the mother.
Happens innumerable times to determine the father.

All Paul's was saying is that Jews who were not acting in accordance with God's will were not acting as Jews should.

If they were not acting in accordance with the spiritual DNA of God's will, then their physical DNA was of no significance.

 

[jgr]

I gave you the answer. Jesus was Jew, born of a Jew, his mother. Jesus was not born of an earthly father. Jesus could have only been a Jew by being born of a woman who was a Jew.

You're still evading the question.

How do you know Mary was a Jew?

 

[Douggg]

You're still evading the question.

How do you know Mary was a Jew?

I am not evading the question. I gave the answer, and you can find no fault in it. Unless you are claiming that Jesus not born of Mary.

 

[Douggg]

If they were not acting in accordance with the spiritual DNA of God's will, then their physical DNA was of no significance.

You are talking about an acid. The bible does not speak in terms of an acid.

 

[jgr]

I am not evading the question. I gave the answer, and you can find no fault in it. Unless you are claiming that Jesus not born of Mary.

If we use the lineage in Luke 3 as that of Mary, we see that the Gentile mothers Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth appear early in her ancestry.

Mary was of mixed blood.

 

[jgr]

You are talking about an acid. The bible does not speak in terms of an acid.

Who created the acid?

 

[Douggg]

If we use the lineage in Luke 3 as that of Mary, we see that the Gentile mothers Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth appear early in her ancestry.

Mary was of mixed blood.

Mary was a Jew because her mother was a Jew, the same reason Jesus was a Jew.

Are you claiming that Jesus was a gentile, and not a Jew?

 

[Douggg]

Who created the acid?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[jgr]

Mary was a Jew because her mother was a Jew, the same reason Jesus was a Jew.

Are you claiming that Jesus was a gentile, and not a Jew?

Are you claiming that Mary was not of mixed blood?

 

[jgr]

What does that have to do with anything?

I thought it was an easy question.

 

[Douggg]

Are you claiming that Mary was not of mixed blood?

It is not relevant to Mary being a Jew. Everyone, if you go back far enough, is related to Noah (Noe).

Jesus was a Jew because his mother was Jew.

 

[jgr]

It is not relevant to Mary being a Jew. Everyone, if you go back far enough, is related to Noah (Noe).

Jesus was a Jew because his mother was Jew.

Mary was of mixed blood.

She was not a pure-blooded Jew.

If you do the simple arithmetic to calculate her percentage of Jewish vs. Gentile blood, she was more Gentile than Jew.

 

[Douggg]

Mary was of mixed blood.

She was not a pure-blooded Jew.

If you do the simple arithmetic to calculate her percentage of Jewish vs. Gentile blood, she was more Gentile than Jew.

Being a Jew is not based on the extended family tree, but if one's mother is a Jew.

Everyone, as I pointed out, are descended from Noah; so using your criteria no-one is a what you are calling a "pure blooded Jew" (a non-biblical term).

Also, in a family tree, it is like an upside down triangle. For example, your mother and father, each had a mother and father, so that is doubling right there, from 2 to 4. That number keeps expanding exponentially, as everyone each have their own mother and father, the further back one goes.

The genealogies in the Matthew and Luke, each trace only one path, in an astronomical number of paths, in that triangle. Matthew goes back to Abraham. Luke goes back to Adam (first human), and God his creator.