LDS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE!

[Jane_Doe]

LOL! That's child abuse! There is a whole universe out there---immense---many, many worlds to investigate, many, many, things to see and learn, without sin, where God and His Son are---this is just one sin ridden world down here where Satan keeps trying to devour everyone. Makes absolutely no sense to come down here to learn how to sin. Nothing here I want to know---everything is up there with God and His Son.

There's two choices here:
1) Wrap a child up in bubble wrap and keep them locked in the house all day (which you just described as child abuse)
2) Let them go out and experience the world, while providing way for them to be saved (due to their inventible stumble)

Which do you believe a loving Father would do?

 

[Rescued One]

The HS is the 3rd member of the Godhead and his power and authority and light can permeates the immensities of space, and the manifestation of that power and light is that he can witness to a multitude of persons in a multitude of locations at exactly the same time.

Then he doesn't have to go inside a person.

 

[mmksparbud]

There's two choices here:
1) Wrap a child up in bubble wrap and keep them locked in the house all day (which you just described as child abuse)
2) Let them go out and experience the world, while providing way for them to be saved (due to their inventible stumble)

Which do you believe a loving Father would do?

I do not consider being in the presence of God as being wrapped in a bubble wrap. As I said---It is an immense universe. And there is no sin, only all sorts of wonders to explore -- where there is no sin. To wallow in the creations of God is not torture. There is nothing to learn here when you already have a pure and sinless heart. To come down to this earth and learn sin is crazy---that is indeed child abuse. They are saved and sin free and then they are tossed into a sin ridden world to for sure fail and maybe eventually, after much hardship, get back to where you were in the first place. Nope. Makes no sense.
And you said those that do not make it, have a chance to be taught the truth again anyway---which they already knew before coming here for they were in the presence of God and His Son and sin free to begin with.

 

[Rescued One]

The HS is the 3rd member of the Godhead and his power and authority and light can permeates the immensities of space, and the manifestation of that power and light is that he can witness to a multitude of persons in a multitude of locations at exactly the same time.

How do you know he can do that? Is it in your scriptures?

 

[Rescued One]

I do not consider being in the presence of God as being wrapped in a bubble wrap. As I said---It is an immense universe. And there is no sin, only all sorts of wonders to explore -- where there is no sin. To wallow in the creations of God is not torture. There is nothing to learn here when you already have a pure and sinless heart. To come down to this earth and learn sin is crazy---that is indeed child abuse. They are saved and sin free and then they are tossed into a sin ridden world to for sure fail and maybe eventually, after much hardship, get back to where you were in the first place. Nope. Makes no sense.
And you said those that do not make it, have a chance to be taught the truth again anyway---which they already knew before coming here for they were in the presence of God and His Son and sin free to begin with.

They never get a chance after this life if they had the opportunity on earth and rejected it.

 

[mmksparbud]

They never get a chance after this life if they had the opportunity on earth and rejected it.

Oh--I thought they said something about they would be learning the truth in eternity?--No?---Well---all the more reason to stay up there!!! No reason to come down here when they're doing fine up there.

 

[Rescued One]

The real reason you are not answering is you don't know how he does that.

Our answer is that He is the 3rd member of the Godhead, and His power and authority and the light that emminates from Him, can fill the immensities of space. The manifestation of that is He can witness to a multitude of people in a multitude of locations at exactly the same time.

Who made that up? It isn't in LDS scripture.

 

[Rescued One]

I do not consider being in the presence of God as being wrapped in a bubble wrap. As I said---It is an immense universe. And there is no sin, only all sorts of wonders to explore -- where there is no sin. To wallow in the creations of God is not torture. There is nothing to learn here when you already have a pure and sinless heart. To come down to this earth and learn sin is crazy---that is indeed child abuse. They are saved and sin free and then they are tossed into a sin ridden world to for sure fail and maybe eventually, after much hardship, get back to where you were in the first place. Nope. Makes no sense.
And you said those that do not make it, have a chance to be taught the truth again anyway---which they already knew before coming here for they were in the presence of God and His Son and sin free to begin with.

Why would God have bubble wrap in heaven?

 

[Rescued One]

Oh--I thought they said something about they would be learning the truth in eternity?--No?---Well---all the more reason to stay up there!!! No reason to come down here when they're doing fine up there.

I don't know; I don't see all the posts in this thread. The worthy Mormons who earn godhood can progress eternally, I've heard.

 

[Rescued One]

"The purpose of mortal life for the children of God is to provide the experiences needed “to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life.”1 As President Thomas S. Monson taught us so powerfully this morning, we progress by making choices, by which we are tested to show that we will keep God’s commandments (see Abraham 3:25). To be tested, we must have the agency to choose between alternatives. To provide alternatives on which to exercise our agency, we must have opposition.

"The rest of the plan is also essential. When we make wrong choices—as we inevitably will—we are soiled by sin and must be cleansed to proceed toward our eternal destiny. The Father’s plan provides the way to do this, the way to satisfy the eternal demands of justice: a Savior pays the price to redeem us from our sins. That Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God the Eternal Father, whose atoning sacrifice—whose suffering—pays the price for our sins if we will repent of them.

"One of the best explanations of the planned role of opposition is in the Book of Mormon, in Lehi’s teachings to his son Jacob.

“It must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, … righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad” (2 Nephi 2:11; see also verse 15)."
Opposition in All Things - By Elder Dallin H. Oaks

According to Mormonism, we made choices in heaven. Some made bad choices and were banished. Some made great choices and were the "noble and great" spirits.

 

[Jane_Doe]

There is nothing to learn here when you already have a pure and sinless heart.To come down to this earth and learn sin is crazy---that is indeed child abuse. They are saved and sin free and then they are tossed into a sin ridden world to for sure fail and maybe eventually, after much hardship, get back to where you were in the first place. Nope. Makes no sense.

Do you likewise find it "abusive" every time I let my daughter out of her bedroom? Yes, that is me letting her out to a world where their are sinners and she will inevitably sin herself. She will leave her bedroom without injury, but come back with some type of wound.

Or do you think I should just keep her locked up in her bedroom all the time? That way she'll never encounter anyone who sins, never make any mistakes because I'm constantly staring at her, and I'll just play with her all day.

 

[mmksparbud]

Do you likewise find it "abusive" every time I let my daughter out of her bedroom? Yes, that is me letting her out to a world where their are sinners and she will inevitably sin herself. She will leave her bedroom without injury, but come back with some type of wound.

Or do you think I should just keep her locked up in her bedroom all the time? That way she'll never encounter anyone who sins, never make any mistakes because I'm constantly staring at her, and I'll just play with her all day.

The difference---she will have to live in that world. When you are living with God---you do not have to live in a sin ridden world. In His presence, it isn't being locked up---it is indeed--being absolutely free. Free to enjoy all the gifts God has up there, free from worry about bills, being killed by some madman, failing to to do something accomplish what has been given you for you are accomplishing everything that you need to up there with all the beauty of perfection and the whole universe to explore. Up there you are free, down here you are caged in by not only you own sins, but the sins of others in a world that violent, and bent on self destruction. Nobody has to come down here for there is nothing here to learn. Everything we need to know is up there in His presence, not down here with Satan. God would not be protecting anyone up there from anything, down here---we have to be protected from everything. It would be the equivalent of a rabbit living on a 5000 acre farm with all the carrots and lettuce and everything he needs to eat and shelter, and many loving friends and anything he needs without anything that might cause it harm and deciding to throw it outside and into a 1 acre plot of ground with just a little bit of greenery to eat, not much for shelter, one other rabbit and a pack of wolves wanting to have you both for dinner in order to learn how to live on that 5000 acres you just left. Makes no sense.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Free to enjoy all the gifts God has up there, free from worry about bills, being killed by some madman, failing to to do something accomplish what has been given you for you are accomplishing everything that you need to up there with all the beauty of perfection and the whole universe to explore. Up there you are free, down here you are caged in by not only you own sins, but the sins of others in a world that violent, and bent on self destruction. Nobody has to come down here for there is nothing here to learn. Everything we need to know is up there in His presence, not down here with Satan. God would not be protecting anyone up there from anything, down here---we have to be protected from everything. It would be the equivalent of a rabbit living on a 5000 acre farm with all the carrots and lettuce and everything he needs to eat and shelter, and many loving friends and anything he needs without anything that might cause it harm and deciding to throw it outside and into a 1 acre plot of ground with just a little bit of greenery to eat, not much for shelter, one other rabbit and a pack of wolves wanting to have you both for dinner in order to learn how to live on that 5000 acres you just left. Makes no sense.

If I kept my daughter locked up in her room forever, it would be the same for her (save the size of bedroom). She wouldn't have to pay bills, no madman, no need of protection (including from herself because I'd be forcing all of her choices), etc. I could give her chocolate every day, making sure she ate her veggies too, bring her the best toys, etc. She'd have all the shelter, food, and company.

 

[mmksparbud]

If I kept my daughter locked up in her room forever, it would be the same for her (save the size of bedroom). She wouldn't have to pay bills, no madman, no need of protection (including from herself because I'd be forcing all of her choices), etc. I could give her chocolate every day, making sure she ate her veggies too, bring her the best toys, etc. She'd have all the shelter, food, and company.

Like I said--the difference is she has to live out in the real world. Those up there do not. Their real world is up there with God---where there is no sin.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Like I said--the difference is she has to live out in the real world. Those up there do not. Their real world is up there with God---where there is no sin.

There's only one universe. My daughter and God both live in that one universe.

 

[mmksparbud]

There's only one universe. My daughter and God both live in that one universe.

There is sin and death in this world---none up there.

 

[Jane_Doe]

There is sin and death in this world---none up there.

What death is there in my daughter's room? None! What sin is there if I'm dictator-watching her? None!

Same universe, same logic.

 

[mmksparbud]

What death is there in my daughter's room? None! What sin is there if I'm dictator-watching her? None!

Same universe, same logic.

• Death will eventually come to her and to you and to all whom she knows---whether she stays in hour room or not. There is none up there. There is nothing down here to learn that could not be learned up there in the very presence of God. Here you can not see Him, there you can, at least His light, His body is covered by the cherubim. And Jesus is there to talk to face to face also. Not here. Maybe the same universe---it is still 2 very different worlds, God is supreme ruler of both, but until the end---Satan is the prince of this one.

 

[Jane_Doe]

• Death will eventually come to her and to you and to all whom she knows---whether she stays in hour room or not. There is none up there. There is nothing down here to learn that could not be learned up there in the very presence of God. Here you can not see Him, there you can, at least His light, His body is covered by the cherubim. And Jesus is there to talk to face to face also. Not here. Maybe the same universe---it is still 2 very different worlds, God is supreme ruler of both, but until the end---Satan is the prince of this one.

You seem to really like this idea of being locked in a room. Do likewise lock all your kids up and never let them out?

 

[mmksparbud]

You seem to really like this idea of being locked in a room. Do likewise lock all your kids up and never let them out?

Do you consider attaining exaltation as being locked up in a room??