Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[d taylor]

How is showing a picture of the moon and telling us which you you were looking when you took it showing anything deceptive? Explain yourself.

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One it proves the moon is a local light miles (2000-3000) above the earth.

 

[prodromos]

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One it proves the moon is a local light miles (2000-3000) above the earth.

You've given no evidence of distance to the moon.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

How is showing a picture of the moon and telling us which you you were looking when you took it showing anything deceptive? Explain yourself.

Well, for one thing, a magnetic compass does to point to the North given on the flat earth map.

 

[Bradskii]

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One it proves the moon is a local light miles (2000-3000) above the earth.

How does taking a picture of the moon in one direction show it's height? All you have is an angle? You can take it from two different places and then use parallax using the field of stars behind it to calculate the distance with some simple trigonometry. How do you think you're doing it?

 

[prodromos]

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Because i want to post post them and i will continue to post them.

Even though it only sort of works from your location but fails completely in the Southern Hemisphere?
Despite the fact that the Day/Night maps you are using are calculating the position of the Sun and Moon using the globe model?

 

[Bradskii]

Even though it only sort of works from your location but fails completely in the Southern Hemisphere?
Despite the fact that the Day/Night maps you are using are calculating the position of the Sun and Moon using the globe model?

Can you explain to me what he's meant to be doing?

 

[Lost4words]

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Today's moon photo taken at 2:02 pm CST The camera was pointed just below the east direction. Compass shows the camera direction.

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And?

 

[prodromos]

Can you explain to me what he's meant to be doing?

He thinks that because the direction he is looking when he photographs the moon, sort of lines up with the position of where the moon is shown to be on the Day/Night map after he transposes it to his round pancake map, that it proves the earth is flat and that the moon is relatively close.

Unfortunately when he transposes the direction he is looking onto his pancake map, he is engaging in some faulty and quite arbitrary mapping. For example, if he is looking a little North of West, he draws a line on Google maps all the way to the West coast to find where it intersects the coast, then draws a straight line from his location to the same intersection point on his pancake map, which turns out to be pointing way further North because the intersection point on the West coast is actually bent around to the right on that map projection. If he does the same looking East then he has less of an error due to him being closer to the East Coast, but it is still incorrect.
I used his methodology on a clear night when I was in New Zealand a couple of weeks ago and it failed completely, but he seems to think that as long as it sort of works in his location, that it proves something. It certainly does prove something, but if I were to state what that something was, I would probably earn a short vacation from posting privileges on CF.

 

[prodromos]

He should be extrapolating his line at the compass direction relative to North on his pancake map, not taking two points from the google maps projection and extrapolating that on his pancake map.

 

[Bradskii]

He thinks that because the direction he is looking when he photographs the moon, sort of lines up with the position of where the moon is shown to be on the Day/Night map...

He's using the Day/Night map? But if you use that map to show a direct line between Sydney and Santiago across the Pacific it shows it going nowhere near the US. @d taylor can't use one map to try to prove one thing (even when it doesn't) when it completely disproves another.

 

[BeyondET]

Can have polar night or midnight sun, on a flat earth. Only a tilted sphere can produce such things happen.

 

[prodromos]

He's using the Day/Night map?

Which uses the globe model to determine where the Sun and Moon are positioned. Incredibly ironic, isn't it.

But if you use that map to show a direct line between Sydney and Santiago across the Pacific it shows it going nowhere near the US. @d taylor can't use one map to try to prove one thing (even when it doesn't) when it completely disproves another.

Straight lines are actually curves and curved lines are actually straight. It's ironic that they claim we fall back on refraction as a 'weak' explanation for why we can see further than simple geometry should allow, yet @d taylor wants us to believe that light bends sideways.

 

[prodromos]

There is the moon. I am looking slightly north of north-west from here in Sydney

Nope, doesn't work.

 

[d taylor]

You've given no evidence of distance to the moon.

It is not meant to give distance that has been done by people (who are flat earth believers) in the past. I mention distance because that has been the approximated distances calculated by people in the past.

This just simply shows that for a moon to be 200,000+ miles away from earth. The position/direction i point my camera to take the photo from my given position. The moon at its zenith position (200,000+ miles away from earth) over the current mapped location at the time of photo, would not be in the shot. Only a local close to earth moon will work.

 

[prodromos]

It is not meant to give distance that has been done by people (who are flat earth believers) in the past. I mention distance because that has been the approximated distances calculated by people in the past.

This just simply shows that for a moon to be 200,000+ miles away from earth. The position/direction i point my camera to take the photo from my given position. The moon at its zenith position (200,000+ miles away from earth) over the current mapped location at the time of photo, would not be in the shot. Only a local close to earth moon will work.

That is flat out incorrect.

 

[Bradskii]

The moon at its zenith position (200,000+ miles away from earth) over the current mapped location at the time of photo, would not be in the shot.

It's in the shot because you are on a globe and the moon is over the horizon. It could be a gazzilion miles from earth and it will be directly above any given point but will appear at the horizon at another. The further away you move from the zenith, the lower it appears to get. On a flat earth it would be at the same apparent height wherever you are. That is obviously not correct.

If the moon is in the west then all you need do it get someone to take a picture of it from the west coast and someone else to take one at the same time a few hundred miles east. If the earth is flat, then the moon will be the same height over the horizon in both pictures. If it's a globe then the picture taken further east will show it lower.

Spoiler alert: It will show it lower.

 

[d taylor]

It's in the shot because you are on a globe and the moon is over the horizon. It could be a gazzilion miles from earth and it will be directly above any given point but will appear at the horizon at another. The further away you move from the zenith, the lower it appears to get. On a flat earth it would be at the same apparent height wherever you are. That is obviously not correct.

If the moon is in the west then all you need do it get someone to take a picture of it from the west coast and someone else to take one at the same time a few hundred miles east. If the earth is flat, then the moon will be the same height over the horizon in both pictures. If it's a globe then the picture taken further east will show it lower.

Spoiler alert: It will show it lower.

Where do you come up this this On a flat earth it would be at the same apparent height wherever you are

For you perspective completely disappears, when it comes to a flat plain. The moon goes far enought away that it goes out of the visual plane (sight) of the observer (not illustrated on the illustration) and will not be visible again to the viewer till the moon begins to return as it completes its circuit , back to the observers position.

 

[Bradskii]

The moon goes far enought away that it goes out of the visual plane (sight) of the observer...

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Here's some basic maths for you.

Circumference of planet: 40,000kms = 360 degrees.
Diameter of moon is equal to 0.5 degrees.
Planet turns once in 24 hours equals 0.5 degrees in 2 minutes, which is 55.6kms.

So if the moon is rising in the east, and someone takes a picture as the full moon clears the horizon, if someone 55 kms west of that position takes a picture at the same time, then the second picture will show the moon just starting to appear over the horizon.

Are you telling me that someone 55kms away from the first guy (that's less than 35 miles) can't see the moon? Don't talk nonsense.

 

[d taylor]

Here's some basic maths for you.

Circumference of planet: 40,000kms = 360 degrees.
Diameter of moon is equal to 0.5 degrees.
Planet turns once in 24 hours equals 0.5 degrees in 2 minutes, which is 55.6kms.

So if the moon is rising in the east, and someone takes a picture as the full moon clears the horizon, if someone 55 kms west of that position takes a picture at the same time, then the second picture will show the moon just starting to appear over the horizon.

Are you telling me that someone 55kms away from the first guy (that's less than 35 miles) can't see the moon? Don't talk nonsense.

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You can post globe numbers all you want, you might as well be posting Santa Claus stats also.

Do you deny that perspective exist and that objects appear to get smaller as they get closer to the viewers vanishing point, the farther away an object moves from the viewer.

 

[Bradskii]

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You can post globe numbers all you want, you might as well be posting Santa Claus stats also.

Do you deny that perspective exist and that objects appear to get smaller as they get closer to the viewers vanishing point, the farther away an object moves from the viewer.

I deny that whatever you think is the moon is visible to one person but not to another 35 miles away. That is patently and undeniably absurd. And you know that. You can do the experiment yourself. Look at the moon tonight and if it's in the east call a friend 35 miles away to the west. Ask them if they can see it. If they can then your proposal is proven to be nonsensical.

We can even do a larger distance. My daughter is in Fiji right now. If the moon is out tonight I'll call her.