abortion

[LittleladyinChrist]

Yeah its not a good thing, but I would say alot of young women are doing it. I remember being in the clinic there were like 20 other girls in there that day. Every woman friend I had, who wasnt a Christian had one as well. It is so sad. I heard a saying once that was, When the Israelites were brought out of Egypt there was a mass killing of babies. When Christ came into the world there was a mass execution of babies. And with Christs second coming there is a mass execution of babies.

 

[allhart]

I forgot to add that 3 years ago, about 2 months before I was saved, I had an abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy. I can testify of the aweful reprecutions of this, and other things that you reap, such as depression. I dont know a single woman who has had an abortion who hasnt been depressed after. Woman who do this are desperate, and they need Jesus Christ. I praise God for his forgiveness to the vilest of sinners.

Honestly i care about everyone and i worry about whats not just in the responses.Women can be hurting from quilt and i don't want to push there hurt any ,but i do want to talk to the people about the whole issue . Forgive me ,but I'm a little nervous respond to the topic. A lot of hurting women respond very upset at this issue.For the women that are hurting i hurt with them my heart goes out to them and i don't want anymore women to go through what they are going through.I want to change the mind set of the people that don't get.Save the heart ache and save both lives of heart ache.I'm not condemning any one of their past.I'm just trying to change the future. For the good of the people and equality for all walks of life.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Yeah its not a good thing, but I would say alot of young women are doing it. I remember being in the clinic there were like 20 other girls in there that day. Every woman friend I had, who wasnt a Christian had one as well. It is so sad. I heard a saying once that was, When the Israelites were brought out of Egypt there was a mass killing of babies. When Christ came into the world there was a mass execution of babies. And with Christs second coming there is a mass execution of babies.

So what do you think is the best way to lower abortion rates?

 

[IronWill]

So what do you think is the best way to lower abortion rates?

Stop calling it a fetus and refer to it as a baby. And allow women to see an ultrasound of their baby before they choose an abortion. When women see the ultrasound, an astounding majority choose not to have the abortion after all. Support centers should be formed to help unwed mothers who would otherwise have difficulty raising a child that provides job training and help finding work. As well as protective services for women or girls who may be abused by men in their lives who either wish them to have an abortion, or who would harm them because they got pregnant.

Abortion is absolutely wrong. Those who aid in giving abortions are sinning. Those who have abortions are sinning. That said, support centers should also be available for women who have abortions. Studies show that women who have had an abortion tend to suffer from guilt and depression afterwards. The Church needs to reach out to women not only before abortion, but after abortion.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Stop calling it a fetus and refer to it as a baby. And allow women to see an ultrasound of their baby before they choose an abortion. When women see the ultrasound, an astounding majority choose not to have the abortion after all. Support centers should be formed to help unwed mothers who would otherwise have difficulty raising a child that provides job training and help finding work. As well as protective services for women or girls who may be abused by men in their lives who either wish them to have an abortion, or who would harm them because they got pregnant.

I don't disagree with what you say... except maybe the baby/foetus part.

But as well as these rather late interventions, how about providing adequate sex education, and easy, non-judgemental access to safe, cheap and effective contraception?

 

[IronWill]

I don't disagree with what you say... except maybe the baby/foetus part.

But as well as these rather late interventions, how about providing adequate sex education, and easy, non-judgemental access to safe, cheap and effective contraception?

Rather late interventions? How so? An ultrasound at as early as 8 weeks can convince a mother not to abort her baby.

IMO, Sex Education needs to be provided by the parents, not the government. Just another reason why when I have children they won't go to a public school. But if we are going to provide sex ed, we should also be providing information on Abstinence as well. And I don't believe anybody should have any easier access to contraception. We already give away enough as is. It's really quite simple for me, if you don't want children, don't have sex.

By allowing abortion, we have created a method by which people can have sex without consequences. Instead of having to raise a child that they've brought into the world, they simply choose Option B and kill the child. And they think this frees them of any harmful consequences. People have a very flippant attitude towards sex today, which, IMHO stems from the fact that we proved "Sex Education" that teaches children that it's okay to have sex. Secondly, we provide contraception to young people who aren't emotionally ready for sex. And third, we've allowed Abortion. And what has developed is people have this idea that sex at any age is okay, and you don't have to worry about consequences because you have contraception, and if that fails, abortion. In reality, we've created a society where venereal diseases are far more prevalent, which I attribute to these three factors. You have children as young as 10, 11, and 12 having illicit sex. People today aren't getting the emotional maturity they need to handle a sexual relationship. This, in turn, lends itself to causing more abortions because girls and young women can't handle what they've done, and since they've become programmed to believe that a baby isn't a baby until it's reached a certain stage of development, then they aren't really killing a baby.

 

[allhart]

So what do you think is the best way to lower abortion rates?

look at exodus 21:22-25 Not allow it.and God does care about the babies in the womb look at Jeremiah 1:5,Judges13:7-8,Psalm51:5,Psalm139:13-16

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

Rather late interventions? How so? An ultrasound at as early as 8 weeks can convince a mother not to abort her baby.

IMO, Sex Education needs to be provided by the parents, not the government. Just another reason why when I have children they won't go to a public school. But if we are going to provide sex ed, we should also be providing information on Abstinence as well. And I don't believe anybody should have any easier access to contraception. We already give away enough as is. It's really quite simple for me, if you don't want children, don't have sex.

By allowing abortion, we have created a method by which people can have sex without consequences. Instead of having to raise a child that they've brought into the world, they simply choose Option B and kill the child. And they think this frees them of any harmful consequences. People have a very flippant attitude towards sex today, which, IMHO stems from the fact that we proved "Sex Education" that teaches children that it's okay to have sex. Secondly, we provide contraception to young people who aren't emotionally ready for sex. And third, we've allowed Abortion. And what has developed is people have this idea that sex at any age is okay, and you don't have to worry about consequences because you have contraception, and if that fails, abortion. In reality, we've created a society where venereal diseases are far more prevalent, which I attribute to these three factors. You have children as young as 10, 11, and 12 having illicit sex. People today aren't getting the emotional maturity they need to handle a sexual relationship. This, in turn, lends itself to causing more abortions because girls and young women can't handle what they've done, and since they've become programmed to believe that a baby isn't a baby until it's reached a certain stage of development, then they aren't really killing a baby.

I completely agree with you here. Ultrasounds will turn a mother around really fast, but NOT in all cases, of which I am one. But I think it would be a small part solution to a huge problem, that is spiritual. Amen regarding teaching children at home. The public school systems are governed by the National Education Association which endorses the liberal position on such issues as abortion, homosexual rights, capital punishment and gun control. Look it up in google, these people decide what is to be taught in the Public school system. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33519

So no, I would not allow the world/public school system to form my childs opinion on such matters, this is what the Word of God is for. Look at the great job they are already doing for teenagers with sex education and giving out condoms in schools. No rates are dropping, they are increasing.

One thing that is for sure, is all the sex, drugs etc. That kids, teenagers adults watch on TV, or hear in there music has an impact on them, and it gets worse and worse. Personally I dont believe this will get any better, it seems society will get worse and worse until the Lord comes back in the clouds.

 

[bliz]

The public school systems are governed by the National Education Association which endorses the liberal position on such issues as abortion, homosexual rights, capital punishment and gun control. Look it up in google, these people decide what is to be taught in the Public school system.

Public school systems are governed by the school board whose members are elected by the citizens in that community. The NEA is one of the two major teacher's unions in the US. School boards generally hate the NEA rather than listen to their positions. The NEA may make curricular reccomendations, but the local schools decide what they will teach.

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

Public school systems are governed by the school board whose members are elected by the citizens in that community. The NEA is one of the two major teacher's unions in the US. School boards generally hate the NEA rather than listen to their positions. The NEA may make curricular reccomendations, but the local schools decide what they will teach.

So are you saying that abortion and the homosexual agenda is not being taught in the public school system. They do have an influence over what our children are being taught. Did the Isrealites send there kids to the Philistines to be trained?

 

[bliz]

So are you saying that abortion and the homosexual agenda is not being taught in the public school system. They do have an influence over what our children are being taught.

I said that the NEA does not control what is taught in public schools, in response to your statement below*. The NEA does not decide what is taught in any school. They simply do not have the authority or power to do so. It is a teacher's union.

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The public school systems are governed by the National Education Association which endorses the liberal position on such issues as abortion, homosexual rights, capital punishment and gun control. Look it up in google, these people decide what is to be taught in the Public school system.

Choose to educate your children however you wish, but there is no need to demonize the public school system. Many Christian men and women work there and are a positive influence. My mother taught in public school for 35 years and never once did she promote "the homosexual agenda" (whatever that is) or teach anything about abortion.

Did the Isrealites send there kids to the Philistines to be trained?

Well, I don't know about the Philistines, but to the Babylonians? Yes. If you will recall, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were sent to be educated by the pagans where they ended up serving the king and becasue of their actions, the king ended up telling everyone to worship God.

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

I said that the NEA does not control what is taught in public schools, in response to your statement below*. The NEA does not decide what is taught in any school. They simply do not have the authority or power to do so. It is a teacher's union.

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Choose to educate your children however you wish, but there is no need to demonize the public school system. Many Christian men and women work there and are a positive influence. My mother taught in public school for 35 years and never once did she promote "the homosexual agenda" (whatever that is) or teach anything about abortion.



Well, I don't know about the Philistines, but to the Babylonians? Yes. If you will recall, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were sent to be educated by the pagans where they ended up serving the king and becasue of their actions, the king ended up telling everyone to worship God.

So when a child goes into the public school system, you are saying they are not changed by secular societies thinking. All the peer pressure, drugs, alcohol, crap kids learn in school does not affect them, this helps their parents to "train them in the way they should go, and when they are old they shall not depart from it". The only reason Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went to the Babylonians is because Israel had been taken into captivity, because of their disobedience to the Lord. What the Devil planned for Evil God used for His good. Say what you may, I would never advise someone to put their young innocent, impressionable children into the public school system, and expect them to come out with Godly morals and to become born-again Christians. Obviously this can happen and has in the past, but I would say that the world is more likely to influence your children, then you influence your children for Christ.

 

[bliz]

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So when a child goes into the public school system, you are saying they are not changed by secular societies thinking. All the peer pressure, drugs, alcohol, crap kids learn in school does not affect them, this helps their parents to "train them in the way they should go, and when they are old they shall not depart from it".

Did I say that? I have no memory of saying that, but I suppose I might have said it somehow just the same... but I really don't remember saying that.

What I have said from the get-go is that schools vary greatly. There are, I'm suppose, public schools where Satanists teach all the classes, where all the text books were written by homosexuals and no one learns to read.
But I know for a fact this simply is not true of all public schools.

Choose whatever education you think is best for your children. Just don't think that whatever choice you make will protect your children from peer-pressure, "crap". We are in the world.

The only reason Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went to the Babylonians is because Israel had been taken into captivity, because of their disobedience to the Lord. What the Devil planned for Evil God used for His good. Say what you may, I would never advise someone to put their young innocent, impressionable children into the public school system, and expect them to come out with Godly morals and to become born-again Christians. Obviously this can happen and has in the past, but I would say that the world is more likely to influence your children, then you influence your children for Christ.

One last time, there is no one "public school system". There are individual public school and each of them is different. There are great ones and there are horrid ones and everything in between.

 

[allhart]

look at exodus 21:22-25 Not allow it.and God does care about the babies in the womb look at Jeremiah 1:5,Judges13:7-8,Psalm51:5,Psalm139:13-16

Well have you read What i showed you in scripture.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

look at exodus 21:22-25 Not allow it.and God does care about the babies in the womb look at Jeremiah 1:5,Judges13:7-8,Psalm51:5,Psalm139:13-16

My question was "how to lower abortion rates"... so, care to explain how your string of Bible quotes is vaguely relevant?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So are you saying that abortion and the homosexual agenda is not being taught in the public school system. They do have an influence over what our children are being taught. Did the Isrealites send there kids to the Philistines to be trained?

It really depends what you want from a public school system... but mostly, I'm tempted to say that if parents did an adequate job teaching their children about morality and ethics, and answered gender/sex questions in a straightforward, no nonsense manner... then it wouldn't matter what schools teach about sex, either way... If kids are going to have sex, they're going to have sex. Trying to blame someone else for "encouraging" them seems like working at cross purposes. Unless the school is actually setting sexual intercourse as homework... are any doing that?

I really worry that the "I'm going to homeschool my kids so they get proper sex education" translates as "I'm going to homeschool my kids so they get NO sex education"

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well have you read What i showed you in scripture.

Good, we all have a fair idea of what scripture says... but if we want to lower abortion rates in the real world, what practical applications do you think would help?

 

[allhart]

My question was "how to lower abortion rates"... so, care to explain how your string of Bible quotes is vaguely relevant?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

An explanation with, like, WORDS, would be good, allhart? I mean, its not as though any of those verses actually explain a way to stop people getting pregnant with unwanted children in the first place, is it?

 

[allhart]

Good, we all have a fair idea of what scripture says... but if we want to lower abortion rates in the real world, what practical applications do you think would help?

Look start by changing the law working in our political arenas. Never give up. like in the movie Amazing Grace.Look you are ,so against killing people. An going against Gods law for murder and are heard very clearly ,but you stand silent in abortion. You need to be heard. The more squeaky you are the more likely you 're going to get oiled.and those scriptures referred to death in those babies and what to do about it also speaks of a life for life.